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Quote from: mindrust on April 25, 2024, 04:10:25 AM

Does it still sound like a conspiracy theory?

Privacy will be gone completely in a few years. We will be sharing our cars and homes with strangers. I already share my country with millions of illegals thanks to the US politics in the Middle East. Make a google search and see which country hosts the most refugees(!).

The US has been taking thousands from the Mexican border.

These things happen because of the evil globalist fucks like Klaus Schwab.

Only gullible people believe this is a tinfoil hat conspiracy theory. Most likely triple jabbed ones.

They want to bring Techno-Communism:

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/06/could-capitalism-need-some-marxism-to-survive-the-4th-industrial-revolution/
https://twitter.com/mattgubba/status/1560529318857609217

It's a prerequisite to bring UBI + CBDC.

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Quote from: mindrust on April 25, 2024, 04:10:25 AM

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Does it still sound like a conspiracy theory?

Privacy will be gone completely in a few years. We will be sharing our cars and homes with strangers. I already share my country with millions of illegals thanks to the US politics in the Middle East. Make a google search and see which country hosts the most refugees(!).

The US has been taking thousands from the Mexican border.

These things happen because of the evil globalist fucks like Klaus Schwab.

Well as someone with a family full of conspiracy theorists who somehow came to the conclusion that covid was created by WEF, this is actually a very real and serious threat to Bitcoin, what they are doing right now. And I'm sure that there are some WEF-affiliated people in governments, the IMF, World Bank and others and also rich people who attend Davos meetings who give donations to said people.

I'm sure you remember when they tried to outlaw strong encryption and then people were printing the PGP source code on t-shirts, mugs and so on.

We need to channel that resistance because ultimately, code is free speech protected by the first amendment. You can't be held criminally liable just for writing it.

Maybe your family is onto something:

https://twitter.com/EssexPR/status/1544273335881801728

They didn't create COVID (a variant of flu) per se, but they did orchestrate the COVID hysteria (mass media fearmongering, social media censoring of dissenting voices, lockdowns that destroyed our economy by increasing inflation, forced experimental vaccinations etc).

I was very sad to see Bitcoiners support all this anti-freedom measures back in 2020-2021, but I'll let it slide for a second.

And now they're attacking people's privacy...

These guys control almost all governments (not just the West, but even Russia/BRICs is a controlled opposition), they're not our friends.

The road to hell is always paved with good ("humanitarian") intentions. Wink

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Quote from: Z390 on April 25, 2024, 02:01:38 AM

Privacy is a fight that we can never win.

Unless you are a selfish person, even if this privacy thing is good for your daily use, have you ever thought about putting yourself in a shoe of a ruler? Will you want such to exist in your country without worries about someone funding terrorists and they are untraceable? You won't be able to sleep peacefully.

We can't say because privacy is good for us that everyone in the world will use it right, samourai wallet is a dangerous piece of technology if it gets into the wrong hands, so I like the fact that they made it stop, o my God knows how many bad people have use its features for their own reasons.

In a world where no one is completely clean it will be a disaster to have a way to move funds untraceable, even this day's people do bad things and they feel like it's good, a world without law is called lawless, and that's more like a hell on earth.

Spoken like a true freemason. Wink

Even knowledge/books can become "dangerous" into the "wrong" hands. Shocked

Sure, if I were a ruler, I wouldn't want want the plebs to escape the 9-5 rat race, but the thing is I'm not. Roll Eyes

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Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on April 29, 2024, 03:33:30 PM

That's why you should always verify the signatures of your software! The feds have not compromised the private key(s) used to sign software releases.

Samourai used their PGP signed warrant canary to announce that they started complying with information requests from the feds nearly a year ago:

https://twitter.com/FuegoDelMonte/status/1664723858274807811
https://twitter.com/SamouraiWallet/status/1664738065632436224

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Quote from: logfiles on April 27, 2024, 12:58:08 PM

If only there was a world where Governments are illegal.

The problem with making governments illegal is that you need a government to do it. Sounds like trying to convince a person to kill themselves. Tongue

Even free market advocates do not believe in a world with absolutely no government. Less intervention in the market is already a milestone, which we are far away from. Writing code has been proved to be particularly effective manner to resist, but it needs more than that.

Quote from: Saint-loup on April 27, 2024, 03:46:51 PM

Yes but it's a software, so if you download a malicious update made by someone who eventually took control of the project now leaders of the team have been arrested, it could create a transaction and send your funds elsewhere or steal your seed.

That's why you should always verify the signatures of your software! The feds have not compromised the private key(s) used to sign software releases.

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Quote from: NotATether on April 27, 2024, 01:34:44 PM

Nothing. Samourai is a non-custodial wallet.

Yes but it's a software, so if you download a malicious update made by someone who eventually took control of the project now leaders of the team have been arrested, it could create a transaction and send your funds elsewhere or steal your seed. So IMO it's better to import your seed or private keys into another wallet as soon as possible, and to not download any upgrade before.

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Quote from: anna_20 on April 27, 2024, 07:51:09 AM

what happens now to the money kept in those wallets? Huh

Nothing. Samourai is a non-custodial wallet.

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on April 25, 2024, 11:24:34 AM

There were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq prior to the US invading that country and taking down Saddam, right? Right, guys??

Governments are the biggest liars, the biggest thieves (with banks in second place), and unfortunately since they make the laws and enforce them and instill fear in their citizens' hearts, they get to do whatever the fuck they want to.

Absolutely right! Everything about Government makes me want to puke. From their policies, propaganda and enforcement. If only there was a world where Governments are illegal. Maybe that would be a much better world for freedom

Governments are basically a cartel living off people's hard-earned money through tax and still use the same revenue to threaten, imprison and kill their own Citizens.

Quote from: DeathAngel on April 27, 2024, 07:19:38 AM

They hate everything they don’t control & it might get worse eventually. Don’t let this kind of thing scare you away from self custody though, they can’t take Bitcoin off you if they aren’t able to tell where it is. I hear there are a lot of unfortunate boating accidents happening lately.

Next they will be coming for and seizing servers of any noncustodial wallet because they are not KYCing their users Grin

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Quote from: anna_20 on April 27, 2024, 07:51:09 AM

what happens now to the money kept in those wallets? Huh

BTC's are not stored in wallets, but on the blockchain. Since it is a self custodial wallet, in which users are in control of their funds through their seed phrase, all they need to do is to import their wallet into a different software to access their funds. Nothing is lost.

Your funds can only be confiscated if you use a custodial service that holds the keys to your wallet.

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Quote from: anna_20 on April 27, 2024, 07:51:09 AM

what happens now to the money kept in those wallets? Huh

BTC's are not stored in wallets, but on the blockchain. Since it is a self custodial wallet, in which users are in control of their funds through their seed phrase, all they need to do is to import their wallet into a different software to access their funds. Nothing is lost.

Your funds can only be confiscated if you use a custodial service that holds the keys to your wallet.

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Quote from: Smilevictorobinna on April 26, 2024, 06:12:17 PM

Quote from: pooya87 on April 26, 2024, 03:10:52 AM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 25, 2024, 08:30:21 PM

We’ll have to wait and see if they are actually convicted of a crime.

Does it even matter? For those individuals, of course but not for Bitcoin.

What this act achieves is scaring every programmer out there from even contributing to anything privacy related since they now know the anti-privacy dictatorship can traumatize them and their families like this. Not to mention all the huge legal fees these "programmers" have to pay.
Speaking of traumatizing families and legal fees, lets not forget this is not a new thing in USA. Lest we forget arrest of BurtW basically just because he was a bitcoin user...

To be honest with you the world leaders are afraid of cryptocurrency they feel is a way of bringing down the value of there currency, so for a programmer it is advised to build a decentralized cryptocurrency just like Bitcoin in other to be in a save side.
The creator of Bitcoin is no were to be found no trace of him but what he created is growing bigger and stronger by the day and the reason behind it is that he built a decentralized cryptocurrency.
And believe me he would have been jailed if not that he disappeared.

They're not afraid of cryptocurrency or anything, what they're doing is showing everyone that they're still the dictators of the world and they can do whatever they think is right. They want to show us that there is no point in trying to fight them or think that we can escape their control. This is what I said before, we will never be able to fight the government if they really want to act against decentralization. Constantly spreading claims that bitcoin can help us fight them is completely harmful to us, it never benefits them if they actually take action.

Satoshi made the decision to stay anonymous at the right time and it has kept him safe so far. But I think if bitcoin was created in 2024 maybe things would be different, I don't think he could escape the government's hunt if he appeared again.

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Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on April 24, 2024, 03:57:19 PM

Samourai Wallet has been taken down by the U.S. authorities: https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/founders-and-ceo-cryptocurrency-mixing-service-arrested-and-charged-money-laundering. You can verify by opening samouraiwallet.com (it's under the authorities' control).

Another privacy enhancing tool goes down the road. Apparently, the governments use everything in their disposal to undermine the users' privacy. Samourai team had recently announced that they were developing a decentralized version of whirlpool, using the Soroban network. It could be the case that they foresaw their own disappearance.

Very frustrated. An important reminder and good quote is needed here.

Quote from: satoshi

>You will not find a solution to political problems in cryptography.

Yes, but we can win a major battle in the arms race and gain a new territory of freedom for several years.

Governments are good at cutting off the heads of a centrally controlled networks like Napster, but pure P2P networks like Gnutella and Tor seem to be holding their own.

R.I.P. Samourai.

Literally speaking, that's sad news. It looks like the US government is starting to take a look at crypto wallets that are about to be shut down. I just hope that the other apps and wallets related to crypto will not be followed, which are helping a lot in the community of this field industry.

That Samurai wallet also lasted a year in this field, right? I just hope that the users can also release their funds so they don't get stuck. I hope they don't have another wallet to close.

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They hate everything they don’t control & it might get worse eventually. Don’t let this kind of thing scare you away from self custody though, they can’t take Bitcoin off you if they aren’t able to tell where it is. I hear there are a lot of unfortunate boating accidents happening lately.

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Quote from: cygan on April 27, 2024, 01:46:48 AM

just came across the following tweets from @freedomtech
which describes the fastest/most secure way to migrate all your funds from the Samourai wallet to the Sparrow wallet. you need 6 steps for this whole procedure and there is also a screen recording as a video guide for the whole process:
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The guide is very well made (after all I wasn't expecting less from the people behind Foundation[1]) but as I discussed[2] previously with BlackHatCoiner[3], if anyone used their wallet without running their own node, you have to consider that the xpub can/have been obtained by the DOJ/FBI. For privacy sake it would be best if you created a new wallet and then transfer the funds to it.

[1]https://freedom.tech/
[2]https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.63991397
[3]https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.63991471

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just came across the following tweets from @freedomtech
which describes the fastest/most secure way to migrate all your funds from the Samourai wallet to the Sparrow wallet. you need 6 steps for this whole procedure and there is also a screen recording as a video guide for the whole process:

https://twitter.com/freedomtech/status/1783850003179454731

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Quote from: pooya87 on April 26, 2024, 03:10:52 AM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 25, 2024, 08:30:21 PM

We’ll have to wait and see if they are actually convicted of a crime.

Does it even matter? For those individuals, of course but not for Bitcoin.

What this act achieves is scaring every programmer out there from even contributing to anything privacy related since they now know the anti-privacy dictatorship can traumatize them and their families like this. Not to mention all the huge legal fees these "programmers" have to pay.
Speaking of traumatizing families and legal fees, lets not forget this is not a new thing in USA. Lest we forget arrest of BurtW basically just because he was a bitcoin user...

To be honest with you the world leaders are afraid of cryptocurrency they feel is a way of bringing down the value of there currency, so for a programmer it is advised to build a decentralized cryptocurrency just like Bitcoin in other to be in a save side.
The creator of Bitcoin is no were to be found no trace of him but what he created is growing bigger and stronger by the day and the reason behind it is that he built a decentralized cryptocurrency.
And believe me he would have been jailed if not that he disappeared.

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One of the founders was arrested in Portugal and is waiting to be extradited to the US.

If anyone wants to read the official statement from the Portuguese police, it is here:
https://www.policiajudiciaria.pt/pj-colabora-com-fbi-na-detencao-de-suspeito-de-branqueamento-de-capitais/

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So it goes like this:

Dark market quality, best of the best, the hardest privacy, the choice of the drugsellers, money launderers and terrorists: Monero

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Porn addicts, weirdos, pot buyers: Litecoin MW

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Everyone else: btc

I’m am OK with MW :d

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Quote from: mindrust on April 26, 2024, 01:57:28 PM

Grin Devs Respond: Mimblewimble Privacy Isn’t 'Fundamentally Flawed'

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“We have to assume that the author conveniently confused transaction outputs (TXOs) with addresses, but these are not the same. And, as we’ve already detailed, the fact that TXOs can be linked is hardly news.”

Lehnberg’s critique of Bogatyy’s claims continues to address several further points, with his central line of argument — details aside — resting on the statement that:

“The Grin team has consistently acknowledged that Grin’s privacy is far from perfect. While transaction linkability is a limitation that we’re looking to mitigate as part of our goal of ever-improving privacy, it does not ‘break’ Mimblewimble nor is it anywhere close to being so fundamental as to render it or Grin’s privacy features useless.”

Exactly, David Burkett implemented MW on Litecoin and came to the same conclusion about the weaknesses of MW privacy: https://twitter.com/DavidBurkett38/status/1780758039567446290

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Quote from: Kruw on April 26, 2024, 01:39:45 PM

https://medium.com/dragonfly-research/breaking-mimblewimble-privacy-model-84bcd67bfe52

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TL;DR: Mimblewimble’s privacy is fundamentally flawed. Using only $60/week of AWS spend, I was able to uncover the exact addresses of senders and recipients for 96% Grin transactions in real time.

Everyone should read the comments too.

Also this:

https://medium.com/grin-mimblewimble/factual-inaccuracies-of-breaking-mimblewimbles-privacy-model-8063371839b9

TBH, these are old articles from 2019... we need to have a discourse with 2024 data. BEAM also has improvements over GRIN.

Some people also argue XMR is traceable, but devs keeps improving it (higher ring size etc).

There's also an IRS bounty if anyone's interested (it's basically free money if you think you can break it):

https://www.interactivecrypto.com/irs-625-000-bounty-for-breaking-monero-and-lightning

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