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Topic: Samourai Wallet seized by the feds - page 2. (Read 1993 times)

newbie
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April 27, 2024, 11:09:53 AM
what happens now to the money kept in those wallets?  Huh
BTC's are not stored in wallets, but on the blockchain. Since it is a self custodial wallet, in which users are in control of their funds through their seed phrase, all they need to do is to import their wallet into a different software to access their funds. Nothing is lost.

Your funds can only be confiscated if you use a custodial service that holds the keys to your wallet.

it never ceases to amaze me  Cheesy
hero member
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April 27, 2024, 08:03:18 AM
what happens now to the money kept in those wallets?  Huh
BTC's are not stored in wallets, but on the blockchain. Since it is a self custodial wallet, in which users are in control of their funds through their seed phrase, all they need to do is to import their wallet into a different software to access their funds. Nothing is lost.

Your funds can only be confiscated if you use a custodial service that holds the keys to your wallet.
hero member
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April 27, 2024, 08:02:55 AM
We’ll have to wait and see if they are actually convicted of a crime.
Does it even matter? For those individuals, of course but not for Bitcoin.

What this act achieves is scaring every programmer out there from even contributing to anything privacy related since they now know the anti-privacy dictatorship can traumatize them and their families like this. Not to mention all the huge legal fees these "programmers" have to pay.
Speaking of traumatizing families and legal fees, lets not forget this is not a new thing in USA. Lest we forget arrest of BurtW basically just because he was a bitcoin user...
To be honest with you the world leaders are afraid of cryptocurrency they feel is a way of bringing down the value of there currency, so for a programmer it is advised to build a decentralized cryptocurrency just like Bitcoin in other to be in a save side.
The creator of Bitcoin is no were to be found no trace of him but what he created is growing bigger and stronger by the day and the reason behind it is that he built a decentralized cryptocurrency.
And believe me he would have been jailed if not that he disappeared.


They're not afraid of cryptocurrency or anything, what they're doing is showing everyone that they're still the dictators of the world and they can do whatever they think is right. They want to show us that there is no point in trying to fight them or think that we can escape their control. This is what I said before, we will never be able to fight the government if they really want to act against decentralization. Constantly spreading claims that bitcoin can help us fight them is completely harmful to us, it never benefits them if they actually take action.

Satoshi made the decision to stay anonymous at the right time and it has kept him safe so far. But I think if bitcoin was created in 2024 maybe things would be different, I don't think he could escape the government's hunt if he appeared again.
sr. member
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April 27, 2024, 07:26:08 AM
Samourai Wallet has been taken down by the U.S. authorities: https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/founders-and-ceo-cryptocurrency-mixing-service-arrested-and-charged-money-laundering. You can verify by opening samouraiwallet.com (it's under the authorities' control).

Another privacy enhancing tool goes down the road. Apparently, the governments use everything in their disposal to undermine the users' privacy. Samourai team had recently announced that they were developing a decentralized version of whirlpool, using the Soroban network. It could be the case that they foresaw their own disappearance.

Very frustrated. An important reminder and good quote is needed here.
Quote from: satoshi
>You will not find a solution to political problems in cryptography.

Yes, but we can win a major battle in the arms race and gain a new territory of freedom for several years.

Governments are good at cutting off the heads of a centrally controlled networks like Napster, but pure P2P networks like Gnutella and Tor seem to be holding their own.

R.I.P. Samourai.

Literally speaking, that's sad news. It looks like the US government is starting to take a look at crypto wallets that are about to be shut down. I just hope that the other apps and wallets related to crypto will not be followed, which are helping a lot in the community of this field industry.

That Samurai wallet also lasted a year in this field, right? I just hope that the users can also release their funds so they don't get stuck. I hope they don't have another wallet to close.
newbie
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April 27, 2024, 06:51:09 AM
what happens now to the money kept in those wallets?  Huh
legendary
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April 27, 2024, 06:19:38 AM
They hate everything they don’t control & it might get worse eventually. Don’t let this kind of thing scare you away from self custody though, they can’t take Bitcoin off you if they aren’t able to tell where it is. I hear there are a lot of unfortunate boating accidents happening lately.
legendary
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April 27, 2024, 05:57:20 AM
just came across the following tweets from @freedomtech
which describes the fastest/most secure way to migrate all your funds from the Samourai wallet to the Sparrow wallet. you need 6 steps for this whole procedure and there is also a screen recording as a video guide for the whole process:
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The guide is very well made (after all I wasn't expecting less from the people behind Foundation[1]) but as I discussed[2] previously with BlackHatCoiner[3], if anyone used their wallet without running their own node, you have to consider that the xpub can/have been obtained by the DOJ/FBI. For privacy sake it would be best if you created a new wallet and then transfer the funds to it.

[1]https://freedom.tech/
[2]https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.63991397
[3]https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.63991471
legendary
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April 27, 2024, 12:46:48 AM
just came across the following tweets from @freedomtech
which describes the fastest/most secure way to migrate all your funds from the Samourai wallet to the Sparrow wallet. you need 6 steps for this whole procedure and there is also a screen recording as a video guide for the whole process:


https://twitter.com/freedomtech/status/1783850003179454731
jr. member
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Merit: 31
April 26, 2024, 05:12:17 PM
We’ll have to wait and see if they are actually convicted of a crime.
Does it even matter? For those individuals, of course but not for Bitcoin.

What this act achieves is scaring every programmer out there from even contributing to anything privacy related since they now know the anti-privacy dictatorship can traumatize them and their families like this. Not to mention all the huge legal fees these "programmers" have to pay.
Speaking of traumatizing families and legal fees, lets not forget this is not a new thing in USA. Lest we forget arrest of BurtW basically just because he was a bitcoin user...
To be honest with you the world leaders are afraid of cryptocurrency they feel is a way of bringing down the value of there currency, so for a programmer it is advised to build a decentralized cryptocurrency just like Bitcoin in other to be in a save side.
The creator of Bitcoin is no were to be found no trace of him but what he created is growing bigger and stronger by the day and the reason behind it is that he built a decentralized cryptocurrency.
And believe me he would have been jailed if not that he disappeared.
legendary
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April 26, 2024, 01:30:12 PM
One of the founders was arrested in Portugal and is waiting to be extradited to the US.

If anyone wants to read the official statement from the Portuguese police, it is here:
https://www.policiajudiciaria.pt/pj-colabora-com-fbi-na-detencao-de-suspeito-de-branqueamento-de-capitais/
legendary
Activity: 3276
Merit: 2442
April 26, 2024, 01:16:39 PM
So it goes like this:

Dark market quality, best of the best, the hardest privacy, the choice of the drugsellers, money launderers and terrorists: Monero

>

Porn addicts, weirdos, pot buyers: Litecoin MW

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Everyone else: btc

I’m am OK with MW :d
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April 26, 2024, 01:02:17 PM
Grin Devs Respond: Mimblewimble Privacy Isn’t 'Fundamentally Flawed'

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“We have to assume that the author conveniently confused transaction outputs (TXOs) with addresses, but these are not the same. And, as we’ve already detailed, the fact that TXOs can be linked is hardly news.”

Lehnberg’s critique of Bogatyy’s claims continues to address several further points, with his central line of argument — details aside — resting on the statement that:

“The Grin team has consistently acknowledged that Grin’s privacy is far from perfect. While transaction linkability is a limitation that we’re looking to mitigate as part of our goal of ever-improving privacy, it does not ‘break’ Mimblewimble nor is it anywhere close to being so fundamental as to render it or Grin’s privacy features useless.”

Exactly, David Burkett implemented MW on Litecoin and came to the same conclusion about the weaknesses of MW privacy: https://twitter.com/DavidBurkett38/status/1780758039567446290
sr. member
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April 26, 2024, 01:01:27 PM
https://medium.com/dragonfly-research/breaking-mimblewimble-privacy-model-84bcd67bfe52

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TL;DR: Mimblewimble’s privacy is fundamentally flawed. Using only $60/week of AWS spend, I was able to uncover the exact addresses of senders and recipients for 96% Grin transactions in real time.
Everyone should read the comments too.

Also this:

https://medium.com/grin-mimblewimble/factual-inaccuracies-of-breaking-mimblewimbles-privacy-model-8063371839b9

TBH, these are old articles from 2019... we need to have a discourse with 2024 data. BEAM also has improvements over GRIN.

Some people also argue XMR is traceable, but devs keeps improving it (higher ring size etc).

There's also an IRS bounty if anyone's interested (it's basically free money if you think you can break it):

https://www.interactivecrypto.com/irs-625-000-bounty-for-breaking-monero-and-lightning
legendary
Activity: 3276
Merit: 2442
April 26, 2024, 12:57:28 PM
I don't have a node. What now? Setup your own and show us?

Stop shitposting.

https://litecoin.com/en/news/the-litecoin-mimblewimble-extension-block-proposal-has-been-published

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MW will offer pseudo privacy as before this history gets deleted those monitoring the network will be able to store the chain state, meaning even if values are hidden it is still possible to track user activity and interactions, so while yes, this will help with fungibility it is by no means perfect.

https://medium.com/dragonfly-research/breaking-mimblewimble-privacy-model-84bcd67bfe52

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TL;DR: Mimblewimble’s privacy is fundamentally flawed. Using only $60/week of AWS spend, I was able to uncover the exact addresses of senders and recipients for 96% Grin transactions in real time.

Grin Devs Respond: Mimblewimble Privacy Isn’t 'Fundamentally Flawed'

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“We have to assume that the author conveniently confused transaction outputs (TXOs) with addresses, but these are not the same. And, as we’ve already detailed, the fact that TXOs can be linked is hardly news.”

Lehnberg’s critique of Bogatyy’s claims continues to address several further points, with his central line of argument — details aside — resting on the statement that:

“The Grin team has consistently acknowledged that Grin’s privacy is far from perfect. While transaction linkability is a limitation that we’re looking to mitigate as part of our goal of ever-improving privacy, it does not ‘break’ Mimblewimble nor is it anywhere close to being so fundamental as to render it or Grin’s privacy features useless.”
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April 26, 2024, 12:39:45 PM
I don't have a node. What now? Setup your own and show us?

Stop shitposting.

https://litecoin.com/en/news/the-litecoin-mimblewimble-extension-block-proposal-has-been-published

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MW will offer pseudo privacy as before this history gets deleted those monitoring the network will be able to store the chain state, meaning even if values are hidden it is still possible to track user activity and interactions, so while yes, this will help with fungibility it is by no means perfect.

https://medium.com/dragonfly-research/breaking-mimblewimble-privacy-model-84bcd67bfe52

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TL;DR: Mimblewimble’s privacy is fundamentally flawed. Using only $60/week of AWS spend, I was able to uncover the exact addresses of senders and recipients for 96% Grin transactions in real time.
legendary
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April 26, 2024, 12:36:17 PM
Which one of these is a MW transaction? I am missing it probably. Old rusty can't see that well nowadays  Cool

You are missing it: The unaggregated data of the MW transactions is observed from your node.

I don't have a node. What now? Setup your own and show us?
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April 26, 2024, 12:30:12 PM
Which one of these is a MW transaction? I am missing it probably. Old rusty can't see that well nowadays  Cool

You are missing it: The unaggregated data of the MW transactions is observed from your node.
legendary
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April 26, 2024, 12:28:09 PM
I don't have to prove or provide anything. You are the one who claim MW isn't anonymous or its privacy can be broken. You should put your skills where your mouth is.

I do, since I have access to the data from Bitcoin nodes, I was easily able to deanonymize Whirlpool coinjoins:

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Which one of these is a MW transaction? I am missing it probably. Old rusty can't see that well nowadays  Cool
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April 26, 2024, 12:25:14 PM
I don't have to prove or provide anything. You are the one who claim MW isn't anonymous or its privacy can be broken. You should put your skills where your mouth is.

I do, since I have access to the data from Bitcoin nodes, I was easily able to deanonymize Whirlpool coinjoins:

Post the tx ID of any Whirlpool transaction and I will show you the tx0 transaction that was created by each of the new entrants.
Ok, here's one: https://mempool.space/tx/ed3131b544fbf00a71709942e483b55e629312ecb181e6e819409f419ee0d226

Where exactly is the privacy loss for new entrants, splitting a single UTXO in to multiple UTXOs to join the pool?

Okay, here's all the payments that can be tracked from the two new participants of the Whirlpool coinjoin transaction:

Entrant 1: bc1q03c0443ausjjdxl2h6ud5m8c0dux0zyg3dqdj7 created 0.00170417 BTC in unmixed change sent to bc1q3fduld0l3r8nclyt5p3r7ak675tekurstn55tl.  Since this UTXO is not private, the sats were marked as unspendable and have not been recovered by the wallet owner  Cry Cry Cry

Entrant 2: bc1qzc8zku26ej337huw5dlt390cy2r9kgnq7dhtys created 0.00191247 BTC in unmixed change sent to bc1qjlltxr443uy236wl4xhpxlr6dgsu0zltlv3m44. This UTXO was used in a second tx0 transaction, creating a huge trail of transactions that could be traced to each other  Shocked Shocked Shocked

The 2nd tx0 transaction created 0.00076348 BTC unmixed change which was sent to bc1qehd7gy8rza9mnzm9wnfjhgw82rp47wmqt7vpgy

Since this unmixed change is below the .001 pool minimum, it was consolidated in a 3rd tx0 with 3 other addresses owned by the same wallet:
31x8GPqrhzdaxiBJa9N5UisuoxbX1rAnHa
16Gw5WKjbxZmg1zhZQs19Sf61fbV2xGujx
3LZtsJfUjiV5EZkkG1fwGEpTe2QEa7CNeY

The 3rd tx0 transaction created .00200317 in unmixed change which was sent to bc1q2p7gdtyahct8rdjs2khwf0sffl64qe896ya2y5
This was spent in a 0.00190000 payment to 3B8cRYc3W5jHeS3pkepwDePUmePBoEwyp1 (a reused address)

That payment left .00008553 in change that was tracked to 3Dh7R7xoKMVfLCcAtVDyhJ66se82twyZSn and consolidated with two other inputs in a 4th tx0 transaction:
bc1qeuh6sds8exm54yscrupdk03jxphw8qwzdtxgde
3ByChGBFshzGUE5oip8YYVEZDaCP2bcBmZ

This 4th tx0 created .00533406 in unmixed change which was sent to bc1qzh699s75smwukg9jcanwnlkmkn38r79ataagd9 which was consolidated with 3 more addresses into a 5th tx0:
3F2qiWQJKQjF7XFjEo8FUYP3AU5AC6RqX8
3HAYYVKUpYbr2ARMdZJr9yVu8xi8UcxtPz
3GQtwwRK31wwCc22q6WS5sCgixUHsG5KaT

The 5th tx0 created 0.00058494 BTC in unmixed change that was sent to bc1qvh2zjcwwkj9y70xulla2semvlav3lty0p3l3w3
This was spent in a .00047290 payment to bc1qvzg8jq6wqtr5navn4e3ps4qrkk9r6n4h98gjck

That payment left .00008411 in change that was tracked to bc1qg6j0f0wfhpktt2l8uzdn48ct3um2xyur40eyzd and consolidated with another input into a 6th tx0 transaction:
31iZLXWfoywhuMZTPGxTkpzphzh2NXshpP

The 6th tx0 created .00753775 in unmixed change that was tracked to bc1qgfll2apc27yct6h2c8r8wq4kqhxjsfrudhhn5q
This was spent in a .00737000 payment to bc1q5emzer2t0sq5dez0zsrqgh6scvwn0n24xsladp (a reused address)

This payment left 0.00010896 BTC in change which has not been spent yet, but the payment only took place 11 days ago, so I assume it will eventually be spent, allowing the Whirlpool user to be tracked even further.
legendary
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April 26, 2024, 12:20:49 PM
You are claiming that MW isn't working but you can't show me an example which means you are lying and misinforming people. You call that education?

Why don't you provide everyone the unaggregated data from your own MW node then as an example?

I don't have to prove or provide anything. You are the one who claim MW isn't anonymous or its privacy can be broken. You should put your skills where your mouth is.
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