Topic: Samourai Wallet seized by the feds - page 5. (Read 1755 times)

They can shut it down so long as they believe the platform is being used by the criminals they hate the most, such as those North Korean hackers, to "launder" money through it.

I personally can't. Samourai wasn't a custodial mixer, so that to say this seizure encouraged the adoption of self-custodial solutions, or whatever. Samourai was one of the best and cheap solutions to coinjoin most effectively and self-custodially. Now the second best, IMO, is XMR swap, and I dare to add, XMR in general as it embodies the true spirit of cypherpunks, which Bitcoin failed to. The only problem is that Bitcoin appreciates more in capital than Monero.

Okay, here's all the payments that can be tracked from the two new participants of the Whirlpool coinjoin transaction:

Entrant 1: bc1q03c0443ausjjdxl2h6ud5m8c0dux0zyg3dqdj7 created 0.00170417 BTC in unmixed change sent to bc1q3fduld0l3r8nclyt5p3r7ak675tekurstn55tl.  Since this UTXO is not private, the sats were marked as unspendable and have not been recovered by the wallet owner  

Entrant 2: bc1qzc8zku26ej337huw5dlt390cy2r9kgnq7dhtys created 0.00191247 BTC in unmixed change sent to bc1qjlltxr443uy236wl4xhpxlr6dgsu0zltlv3m44. This UTXO was used in a second tx0 transaction, creating a huge trail of transactions that could be traced to each other  

The 2nd tx0 transaction created 0.00076348 BTC unmixed change which was sent to bc1qehd7gy8rza9mnzm9wnfjhgw82rp47wmqt7vpgy

Since this unmixed change is below the .001 pool minimum, it was consolidated in a 3rd tx0 with 3 other addresses owned by the same wallet:
31x8GPqrhzdaxiBJa9N5UisuoxbX1rAnHa
16Gw5WKjbxZmg1zhZQs19Sf61fbV2xGujx
3LZtsJfUjiV5EZkkG1fwGEpTe2QEa7CNeY

The 3rd tx0 transaction created .00200317 in unmixed change which was sent to bc1q2p7gdtyahct8rdjs2khwf0sffl64qe896ya2y5
This was spent in a 0.00190000 payment to 3B8cRYc3W5jHeS3pkepwDePUmePBoEwyp1 (a reused address)

That payment left .00008553 in change that was tracked to 3Dh7R7xoKMVfLCcAtVDyhJ66se82twyZSn and consolidated with two other inputs in a 4th tx0 transaction:
bc1qeuh6sds8exm54yscrupdk03jxphw8qwzdtxgde
3ByChGBFshzGUE5oip8YYVEZDaCP2bcBmZ

This 4th tx0 created .00533406 in unmixed change which was sent to bc1qzh699s75smwukg9jcanwnlkmkn38r79ataagd9 which was consolidated with 3 more addresses into a 5th tx0:
3F2qiWQJKQjF7XFjEo8FUYP3AU5AC6RqX8
3HAYYVKUpYbr2ARMdZJr9yVu8xi8UcxtPz
3GQtwwRK31wwCc22q6WS5sCgixUHsG5KaT

The 5th tx0 created 0.00058494 BTC in unmixed change that was sent to bc1qvh2zjcwwkj9y70xulla2semvlav3lty0p3l3w3
This was spent in a .00047290 payment to bc1qvzg8jq6wqtr5navn4e3ps4qrkk9r6n4h98gjck

That payment left .00008411 in change that was tracked to bc1qg6j0f0wfhpktt2l8uzdn48ct3um2xyur40eyzd and consolidated with another input into a 6th tx0 transaction:
31iZLXWfoywhuMZTPGxTkpzphzh2NXshpP

The 6th tx0 created .00753775 in unmixed change that was tracked to bc1qgfll2apc27yct6h2c8r8wq4kqhxjsfrudhhn5q
This was spent in a .00737000 payment to bc1q5emzer2t0sq5dez0zsrqgh6scvwn0n24xsladp (a reused address)

This payment left 0.00010896 BTC in change which has not been spent yet, but the payment only took place 11 days ago, so I assume it will eventually be spent, allowing the Whirlpool user to be tracked even further.

This is not another Wasabi thread. I'm not attempting to de-anonymize Wasabi,

all the evidence of people who used it and got caught speak for itself, but I know you'll blame the users that "they didn't use it correctly".

User "kayirigi" has posted a fake accusation of scamming against Wasabi Wallet:  https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scammer-lead-developer-resigns-from-honeypot-wasabi-wallet-5480440

This user, of course, "self moderated" the fake topic in order to prevent anyone from commenting honestly about these blatantly false accusations.


Do not let these obvious hit job accounts scare you out of using Bitcoin privately.  If someone you are transacting with "flags" your coinjoined funds, it is not due to "an issue with their implementation", it's because that person is requiring your data in order to transact with them.  Defy them, and become anonymous anyway.

Coinjoin services are allowed. Mixers are not.

Petter Todd gave a 50% chance Samurai Wallet was run by feds:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPNFdhZUGmk

I guess the chance is now 100%

RIP indeed, I hope the tech continues being used via open source anon development though

Can anyone see a silver lining?

You're lying, Wasabi's privacy software isn't broken. If you aren't lying, then prove it by tracing this Wasabi coinjoin:

Governments are not known to be very savvy, and with this recent anti-money laundering craze going on over there, it wouldn't surprise me if they see Wasabi as facilitating those kind of transactions. After all, they're the only large coordinator left now that Samourai's gone.

Considering their documentation[1] and how xpub[1] were handled when not using DOJO with Samourai Walelt can we assume that, in worst case scenario, the DOJ has access to every xpub and can trace the mixes that were done in the platform? I assume that is more private create a new wallet and then transfer the funds from Sparrow Wallet to it, instead of just importing them to another one...

As if it wasn't possible to use it over Tor since 2019, or a VPN. Taking shots at your competitor even after they have been extinguished -- the kind of class I would expect from you.

Besides, nobody cares so long as you weren't sending money to North Korea-related or other watchlist addresses.

Targeting Wasabi what for? They're not even a honeypot. They're officially paying for mass surveillance software and their privacy software is broken. What else could the government ask for?

Targeting Wasabi what for? They're not even a honeypot. They're officially paying for mass surveillance software and their privacy software is broken. What else could the government ask for?

Bitcointalk people were already forseing this when they forbid conjoin campaigns in te forum...

The authorities may have found the data of the centralized Whirlpool coordinator, but this should not affect Samourai wallet.

What makes you think that they are not going to target Wasabi next?

I know. Samourai deleted the issue I opened in their Gitlab to have this information hidden from them by default: https://web.archive.org/web/20230417145554/https://code.samourai.io/wallet/samourai-wallet-android/-/issues/458

They said they would not even add a warning. Now the Feds got everything.

As if it wasn't possible to use it over Tor since 2019, or a VPN.

Coinjoins aren't custodial, so there's no funds they can seize. The Feds are only able to access the data of Samourai's users since their wallet was designed to collect xpub addresses and IP addresses by default.

I can still access https://docs.samourai.io/
Privacy app developers should remain anonymous.


I think this was a stupid move, especially since domain and servers were in Iceland, which gave governments a compelling reason to look behind them.


I wonder if they had cooperated with Chainalysis or any blockchain analysis service, would the same charges have been brought against them? Or is the definition of privacy limited to those who appear to government agencies?

Make money private by default = Monero.
Just sayin.

Does it still sound like a conspiracy theory?

These things happen because of the evil globalist fucks like Klaus Schwab.

Wait until you see Kruw circlejerking in this thread if he hasn't done so already elsewhere

Samourai wallet operated a centralized coordinator and everyone who still had their funds inside said coordinator at the time it was shut down (if it had even been shut down) lost money.