Update: 12th of July 2014
1. Batch 1 hasn't shipped.
Black Arrow vetted re-sellers receiving a few now obsolete X1 units. You guys checked out and now the gods have bestowed upon you the gift of brick.
2. Batch 2 hasn't shipped.
3. Refunds refused.
4. Shipping is stated to be complete by the end of the month.
5. The goose is laying bricks.
Topic: SCAM: Black Arrow LTD - page 8. (Read 27160 times)
Update: 11th of July 2014
1. Batch 1 hasn't shipped.
Re-sellers start receiving their X1s while outstanding direct customers continue to wait for their bricks to be dispatched.
2. Batch 2 hasn't shipped.
3. Refunds refused.
4. Shipping is stated to be complete by the end of the month.
5. Obsolete product.
1. Batch 1 hasn't shipped.
Re-sellers start receiving their X1s while outstanding direct customers continue to wait for their bricks to be dispatched.
2. Batch 2 hasn't shipped.
3. Refunds refused.
4. Shipping is stated to be complete by the end of the month.
5. Obsolete product.
Update: 10th of July 2014
1. Batch 1 hasn't shipped.
2. Batch 2 hasn't shipped.
3. Refunds refused.
4. Shipping is stated to be complete by the end of the month.
5. A "pallet of bricks" is being used to describe the first shipment of a few hundred X1s to a reseller.
1. Batch 1 hasn't shipped.
2. Batch 2 hasn't shipped.
3. Refunds refused.
4. Shipping is stated to be complete by the end of the month.
5. A "pallet of bricks" is being used to describe the first shipment of a few hundred X1s to a reseller.
A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by the starter of a self-moderated topic. There are no rules of self-moderation, so this deletion cannot be appealed. Do not continue posting in this topic if the topic-starter has requested that you leave.
You can create a new topic if you are unsatisfied with this one. If the topic-starter is scamming, post about it in Scam Accusations.
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Here is a link to the Shenzhen Consumer Council provided by a legal firm in Shenzhen. Complaints can be filed through this agency.
Pages are in Chinese, so you will have to translate them if this is not your language.
http://www.sz315.org/index.php?m=content&c=index&a=lists&catid=10
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Here is another agency:
China Consumer's Association
http://www.cca.org.cn/english/index.jsp
http://www.consumersinternational.org/our-members/member-directory/China%20Consumers%20Association
e-mail: [email protected]
What I will say is that people at these agencies have been responsive. It is also the case that BA left up a link to a Hong Kong consumer group on their self moderated thread and forums for quite a while. When I posted that Shenzhen link it was deleted PDQ, which makes me think they'd rather not have that floating around.
see also this topic:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/black-arrow-customers-consumer-complaints-links-681965
You can create a new topic if you are unsatisfied with this one. If the topic-starter is scamming, post about it in Scam Accusations.
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Here is a link to the Shenzhen Consumer Council provided by a legal firm in Shenzhen. Complaints can be filed through this agency.
Pages are in Chinese, so you will have to translate them if this is not your language.
http://www.sz315.org/index.php?m=content&c=index&a=lists&catid=10
_______________________________________________________________________________ _
Here is another agency:
China Consumer's Association
http://www.cca.org.cn/english/index.jsp
http://www.consumersinternational.org/our-members/member-directory/China%20Consumers%20Association
e-mail: [email protected]
What I will say is that people at these agencies have been responsive. It is also the case that BA left up a link to a Hong Kong consumer group on their self moderated thread and forums for quite a while. When I posted that Shenzhen link it was deleted PDQ, which makes me think they'd rather not have that floating around.
see also this topic:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/black-arrow-customers-consumer-complaints-links-681965
Update: 9th of July 2014
1. Batch 1 hasn't shipped.
2. Batch 2 hasn't shipped.
3. Refunds refused.
4. Shipping is stated to be complete by the end of the month.
5. Black Arrow continues with it's unreasonable delay in delivering product.
6. Promises to match current market prices per Gh/s upon shipping broken.
Customers don't even get what their money would buy from vendors with in hand product? How can they claim they're not a scam company?
1. Batch 1 hasn't shipped.
2. Batch 2 hasn't shipped.
3. Refunds refused.
4. Shipping is stated to be complete by the end of the month.
5. Black Arrow continues with it's unreasonable delay in delivering product.
6. Promises to match current market prices per Gh/s upon shipping broken.
Customers don't even get what their money would buy from vendors with in hand product? How can they claim they're not a scam company?
Update: 8th of July 2014
1. Batch 1 hasn't shipped.
2. Batch 2 hasn't shipped.
3. Refunds refused.
4. Shipping is stated to be complete by the end of the month.
5. "three more weeks".
1. Batch 1 hasn't shipped.
2. Batch 2 hasn't shipped.
3. Refunds refused.
4. Shipping is stated to be complete by the end of the month.
5. "three more weeks".
Update: 7th of July 2014
1. Batch 1 hasn't shipped.
2. Batch 2 hasn't shipped.
3. Refunds refused.
4. In the latest update shipping of Batch 1 & Batch 2 is stated to be complete by the end of the month.
5. Customers remain sceptical yet hopeful that Black Arrow will actually send something based on their woefully inadequate compensation of 50% more hardware.
While they owe us 550% compensation due to the difficulty increase any such promises to deliver that much would be an obvious lie. We'll see how shipping proceeds and how the title of this thread changes based on this. 50% compensation still deserves some sort of warning however, perhaps "WARNING: Black Arrow Shipped".
1. Batch 1 hasn't shipped.
2. Batch 2 hasn't shipped.
3. Refunds refused.
4. In the latest update shipping of Batch 1 & Batch 2 is stated to be complete by the end of the month.
5. Customers remain sceptical yet hopeful that Black Arrow will actually send something based on their woefully inadequate compensation of 50% more hardware.
While they owe us 550% compensation due to the difficulty increase any such promises to deliver that much would be an obvious lie. We'll see how shipping proceeds and how the title of this thread changes based on this. 50% compensation still deserves some sort of warning however, perhaps "WARNING: Black Arrow Shipped".
Update: 28th of June 2014
1. Batch 1 hasn't shipped.
2. Batch 2 hasn't shipped.
3. Refunds refused.
4. No shipping date provided.
5. Over 4 months after the stated product shipping date, design plans for the first X3 prototype are said to be almost complete.
1. Batch 1 hasn't shipped.
2. Batch 2 hasn't shipped.
3. Refunds refused.
4. No shipping date provided.
5. Over 4 months after the stated product shipping date, design plans for the first X3 prototype are said to be almost complete.
I would ask a refund but i know it's pointless to even ask them
S3 are 3 times cheaper and also more energy efficient, so i'd rather have my money back and buy S3, or just buy bitcoins.
BA is a worthless company, maybe even worse than BFL.
I feel bad for you notbatman. I know what it's like to be scammed by a fraud.
Rest assured the scammers will self-destruct.
Rest assured the scammers will self-destruct.
maybe, but that won't get us our money back.
Update: 6th of July 2014
1. Batch 1 hasn't shipped.
2. Batch 2 hasn't shipped.
3. Refunds refused.
4. No shipping date provided.
5. Black Arrow continues to drain the life out of its customers by dragging this scam along for as long as possible.
1. Batch 1 hasn't shipped.
2. Batch 2 hasn't shipped.
3. Refunds refused.
4. No shipping date provided.
5. Black Arrow continues to drain the life out of its customers by dragging this scam along for as long as possible.
Update: 5th of July 2014
1. Batch 1 hasn't shipped.
2. Batch 2 hasn't shipped.
3. Refunds refused.
4. No shipping date provided.
5. Black Arrow no longer providing weekly update to customers.
No product, no refunds, no communication.
EDIT:
The horse or at least one of his henchmen has spoken stating that they were too busy to provide an update.
1. Batch 1 hasn't shipped.
2. Batch 2 hasn't shipped.
3. Refunds refused.
4. No shipping date provided.
5. Black Arrow no longer providing weekly update to customers.
No product, no refunds, no communication.
EDIT:
The horse or at least one of his henchmen has spoken stating that they were too busy to provide an update.
I feel bad for you notbatman. I know what it's like to be scammed by a fraud.
Rest assured the scammers will self-destruct.
Rest assured the scammers will self-destruct.
Update: 4th of July 2014
1. Batch 1 hasn't shipped.
2. Batch 2 hasn't shipped.
3. Refunds refused.
4. No shipping date provided.
5. Black Arrow gives the Bitcoin mining world a black eye while generating a fortune in untaxed revenue from their customers ASICs.
They're clearly not planning on shipping until the ASICs cost more in power to run than they generate in BTC. Incompetence of this magnitude is an unreasonable argument at this point as they would be unable to produce an ASIC if that were the case.
1. Batch 1 hasn't shipped.
2. Batch 2 hasn't shipped.
3. Refunds refused.
4. No shipping date provided.
5. Black Arrow gives the Bitcoin mining world a black eye while generating a fortune in untaxed revenue from their customers ASICs.
They're clearly not planning on shipping until the ASICs cost more in power to run than they generate in BTC. Incompetence of this magnitude is an unreasonable argument at this point as they would be unable to produce an ASIC if that were the case.
Update: 3rd of July 2014
1. Batch 1 hasn't shipped.
2. Batch 2 hasn't shipped.
3. Refunds refused.
4. No shipping date provided.
5. 128 days and counting.
1. Batch 1 hasn't shipped.
2. Batch 2 hasn't shipped.
3. Refunds refused.
4. No shipping date provided.
5. 128 days and counting.
This is the problem when you pay by BTC, no comeback.
I paid in USD.
This is the problem when you pay by BTC, no comeback.
Update: 2nd of July 2014
1. Batch 1 hasn't shipped.
2. Batch 2 hasn't shipped.
3. Refunds refused.
4. No shipping date provided.
5. TechnoBit now shipping Minion based miners.
The Minion data sheet wasn't released until the 27th of May, so that's just over 1 month from design to shipping product for TechnoBit.
1. Batch 1 hasn't shipped.
2. Batch 2 hasn't shipped.
3. Refunds refused.
4. No shipping date provided.
5. TechnoBit now shipping Minion based miners.
The Minion data sheet wasn't released until the 27th of May, so that's just over 1 month from design to shipping product for TechnoBit.
Hi everyone!
I am sick and tired from that BA!!!
26/11/13 I made an order X-1 but when they have stated to postpone the delivery device in May I immediately canceled the order and demanded a refund!
After long declinations me to agree on their wacky proposals that lasted six weeks, finally on April 25th, I was blessed with a news: "Dear Roman, We have removed your order from shipping queue and placed it on refunds queue." (from my ticket [#JTR-408-33380]: refund)
But... still nothing!!!
Already formed about 4 ticket reminded me - as if they had disappeared!!! FU(KING ALIENS
Who knows, how to make a criminal case on these animals?
I am sick and tired from that BA!!!
26/11/13 I made an order X-1 but when they have stated to postpone the delivery device in May I immediately canceled the order and demanded a refund!
After long declinations me to agree on their wacky proposals that lasted six weeks, finally on April 25th, I was blessed with a news: "Dear Roman, We have removed your order from shipping queue and placed it on refunds queue." (from my ticket [#JTR-408-33380]: refund)
But... still nothing!!!
Already formed about 4 ticket reminded me - as if they had disappeared!!! FU(KING ALIENS
Who knows, how to make a criminal case on these animals?
Update: 1st of July 2014
1. Batch 1 hasn't shipped.
2. Batch 2 hasn't shipped.
3. Refunds refused.
4. No shipping date provided.
5. The long con continues... Customers have now lost BTC19.6 ($12,583 USD@Bitstamp) per X3 in revenue plus, the out-of-pocket cost of an X3 about $5500 USD depending on purchase date.
6. Fraud over $5000.
1. Batch 1 hasn't shipped.
2. Batch 2 hasn't shipped.
3. Refunds refused.
4. No shipping date provided.
5. The long con continues... Customers have now lost BTC19.6 ($12,583 USD@Bitstamp) per X3 in revenue plus, the out-of-pocket cost of an X3 about $5500 USD depending on purchase date.
6. Fraud over $5000.
In recent posts on their forum BA adamantly denies that they are a scam and that they have never lied.
The February 24th shipping date was clearly a lie and when you take peoples money based on a lie it's called fraud making this a SCAM.
The February 24th shipping date was clearly a lie and when you take peoples money based on a lie it's called fraud making this a SCAM.
Update: 30th of June 2014
1. Batch 1 hasn't shipped.
2. Batch 2 hasn't shipped.
3. Refunds refused.
4. No shipping date provided.
5. Bitmain releases the AntMiner S3.
1. Batch 1 hasn't shipped.
2. Batch 2 hasn't shipped.
3. Refunds refused.
4. No shipping date provided.
5. Bitmain releases the AntMiner S3.
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