Topic: [SCAM] Sportsbet.io (Withholding funds) - page 11. (Read 4716 times)

Sure, but if we want to look upon this situation as a "game" then you would have two options: scam/not scam. By assuming that a reputable player that is known not to scam (i.e. good prisoner/dove) would never scam, you are creating a strategy that is easily exploitable by those players. Now imagine using circular reasoning to posit that a reputable casino would not scam players.

I was under the impression that bluffing is part of a strategy playing poker.

From what I can tell, Sportsbet indicated they were accepting the OP's business, and subsequently decided they would not pay out the OP's winnings after the outcome of the bets were determined. To me, this is different than refusing to do business with the OP.
Spotsbet has indicated they believe the OP was using multiple accounts on their platform.

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My question for Sportsbet is, what harm did the OP cause in his alleged multiple accounts? Was he receiving some kind of free bets he was not entitled to on some of the accounts? Was he placing opposing bets on the same game on two accounts?

I am also curious as to how Sportsbet is going to handle the OP's alternate accounts? They indicated above they will allow the OP to withdraw the difference between what he deposited and withdrew on the account he won the coin on. Did the OP's other alleged accounts have net losses, or net winnings? Will you allow the whoever has control of the OP's other alleged accounts withdraw the difference between the amount they deposited and withdrew?

I don't know the answers to the above questions, however if Sporsbet is dudecting net winnings, but not crediting net losses back to the OP's various accounts, it would not be a very good look.

I must admit I only skimmed through the thread so feel free to report me for shitposting if this has been already addressed... but those asking for proof from Sportsbet - what exactly are you expecting? Short of doxing the OP (or even then) I don't see how they can definitively prove that the OP is multiaccounting, particularly if we don't trust them and assume that proof can be fabricated.

For the record, I don't like "no multiple accounts" rules, I think such rules can't be fairly enforced leaving all sorts of loopholes, and there are often good reasons to have multiple accounts. Having said that, if you sign up for a service that has such rules you probably don't have much of a case if you get caught.

The other thing I have some concerns about is the amount of 0.373 BTC. Does that include the 0.1 BTC (IIRC) that Sportsbet offered to pay out?

I feel 10 x dumber for having (re) read all this bullshit. I do what I want so fuck off OP.

I only just notice this thread and read through it, but I'm going comment just to explain why I'm opposing both flags:

Sportsbet.io is a business, and like all businesses they have the right to refuse service to anyone, without explanation.  They aren't obligated to explain themselves to neymarjr12, or any of us.  They made a business decision, and having taken the time to explain themselves in this thread should have been enough.  They didn't have to do that, and they don't owe anyone any more than that.


This whole business is really silly.  Who's to say the documents aren't stolen and have been passed around?  How would any one on neymarjr12's list be able to determine that?  @Royse777, would you accept this users documents in lieu of collateral for a loan?  If not, then they shouldn't be enough to condemn a legitimate business.

@neymarjr12, I know you've repeatedly said that you've done nothing wrong, but forgive my skepticism.  I couldn't help but notice your English is fairly good.  Are you sure you didn't violate their TOS?  Lets assume your documents are legit, are you from one of the countries highlighted below?

I already posted a reply from AskGamblers, now waiting for SBR.
The idea with forwarding you my KYC e-mails is for you to confirm that I actually did that and that Sportsbet's claims about "he didn't pass KYC" are false.
Again, I am ready to go through any necessary KYC procedure with Sportsbet if they reply.

This was me and it was my mistake. Sorry about that. When I realized it will not be okay then I edited that part. Honestly speaking, I trust some of the guys here and I believe they are doing everything to make things correct.

It's hard to make up minds in a case like this. I am sure I am not alone in this.

The whole situation has become a big joke, a bad joke to be frank - honestly, I am shocked by various users' behavior - you know what guys, at least play it fair, so much hypocrisy really hurts!

Random people (people not involved at all) opposing flags, signature & avatar wearers, WO gang members etc. / PMing people who have not been involved in order to oppose the flag (with these people even posting in this thread they were pm'ed before realizing this is bad for the opposition's "mission" so they edit and remove the pm part - screenshots available) etc etc.

What can I say - some great ethics really when taking into account what we are debating about - a gambling operation withholding someone's money without providing evidence as to how this person supposedly broke ToS. Big fat joke... Sorry I can't trust your judgements...

I’m dunno how I’m qualified for making a decision on this, the other 2 guys with all respect to them are the only two (with any reputation) supporting the flags.

Not really sure where this goes from here but on second thoughts I dunno if this random poster verification on anything is going to work.

I don’t think sportsbet are going to give out sensitive information because they could get into a lot of trouble for that.
Instead, he's been advised (multiple times) to use a 3rd party arbitrator.

It’s not industry standard to involve forum members so I guess that’s the case here too. Surely it’s up to AskGamblers?

I recommend you reduce your list. You don't to be giving 7 people your identity in a hurry. 3 should be more than enough to verify the documents.
These are the three people most engaged with this process. I'd strongly suggest you stick with them only. You do as you please though!

1. This is unbelievable that sportsbet will scam anyone for peanuts.
2. There are enough saying from OP too to believe his story.

There must be some misunderstanding between OP and sportsbet which is causing all of these mess. I think I will wait for sportsbet to bring more info to help us making a clear mind before opposing the flag.

It seems very hard to make this decision. I want to keep my head clear for tomorrow's poker game LOL

Here are my 2 cents. There has been so much action in the thread in the last 24 hours or so that I can barley follow it properly but will give my best to comment what I deem important and hopefully not step on anybody toes.

First of all I still haven't supported or opposed the 2 raised flags. I can not do either of those actions with clear conscience. I have already stated that I personally trust Sportsbet with amounts greater than disputed here. On the other hand their response to this case simply hasn't been good enough and the fact that they have treated me fairly doesn't immediately imply fair treatment of others. I will hold with my decision for a while longer.

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This is the best route for now in my opinion. Steve is only available at the forum inside working hours on working days. I am not expecting he will see the PM before Monday. I will give Sportsbet one more chance to provide some evidence or solutions to this problem. However, if nothing gets resolved until Wednesday I will personally try to contact Steve and if that goes without reply I will have to support the flags as a way to provoke action from Sportsbet.

I believe even the strongest opponent of the flags has to admit that if this was some other bookie we would all paint that account red much sooner. Sportsbet has done great stuff for the community and that is the only reason I am still giving them time and it is simply unbelievable that they would scam somebody for amounts mentioned here.

However, I have no problem believing that somebody did an honest mistake and botched something in this case. I for one wouldn't think any less of Sportsbet if that is a case and they apologize after situation like that. Mistakes happen in every business and the way they are handled tells us much about the leadership of that business.

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@OP this is sound advice and I see you already excluded him from your list. That guy isn't helping your case at all. When somebody is just coming and writing basically the same stuff all over again I just put him on ignore list. I am willing to go this route if necessary but Steve/Sportsbet have also to agree to that. Otherwise it makes no sense. I would recommend to keep this as last resort, since it is never smart to send your documents to other people.

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This thing has gone a bit out of the hand and I don't like the fact that some users, whose opinion I value, has decided to oppose this flags. I also don't like that flags have a wording like they do but we can't change that and we as a community have to make some sort of pressure on Sportsbet to provide us with better answer. Next time it could be one of us, or our newbie friend we just introduced to forum and Sportsbet.

My hope is that Steve will get in touch beginning of the next week and offer us satisfactory proofs of fraudulent behavior or solve the situation in the OP favor. Really don't like to get involved in cases like this 

I don't mind, but why are you asking?

OP I have few questions if you don't mind.

1. When did you create your Sportsbet.io account, what date exactly?
2. Are the deposits listed in the first post your only deposits, and what is the total amount deposited on June 21, 2020?

Unfortunately I had to support the flag. Usually with big bookmakers / big names I do not involve myself into this, but I saw so many complaints that I felt it was a moral duty to support it.
I hope these cases with some people are solved quickly.
I can not imagine that they will scam people because they are main sponsor from Watford, but so many complaints can not be ignored, I think.

ya.ya.yo!

No offence to any of these, but I recommend you don’t share your ID out to anyone. When sharing with a company you have certain protections in place.

AskGamblers is truly your best bet, unfortunately I believe they are in bed with sportsbet.io and refused your complaint (amongst many others I imagine).

Unfortunately I am not sure what to recommend, it’s very hard to know what to do going forward, sportsbet are starting to get a very bad name. Only sportsbet can resolve this case in my opinion and provide some proof to you which indicates multi accounting. The best help these users listed above can provide you is by pressuring sportsbet into providing the proof required.

Steve wrote that:
1) My KYC "was not passed".
2) Sportsbet requested this KYC "to be extra sure in this case", meaning that if I actually passed KYC, they would not be extra sure that I was "multi accounting".

If I prove (with the help of those people I listed) that #1 is false, then we come to a question of my "multi accounting" and how they "linked" me to those 4 accounts, that I have seen the first time in my life.

Right, we still won't be able to know if the OP was multi accounting but it will tell us something else which is,

that sportsbet.io are liars that don't accept valid KYC documents.

That means they can use KYC as a weapon > scam enabler.

Thanks for heads up! Updated list:
@Royse777
@LFC_Bitcoin
@efialtis
@buwaytress
@SyGambler
@actmyname
@Trofo

Bro. This really isn't necessary and you should be very careful who you give this info to. You might even have people pop up out of nowhere asking you for this now. The last person in your list is a bought account that is being used to stir up drama among different casinos (not just sportsbet) and probably doesn't have the best intentions in mind.

I don't understand how this is going to help. Maybe somebody is an expert at digital forensics and can verify if a document is legit or not, but then what? That doesn't necessarily disprove multi-accounting.

It's better to wait for additional clarification from Steve or another official Sportsbet rep on this situation.

I don't think Sportsbet would risk sullying their reputation on the forum for 0.3 BTC unless they strongly believed they were in the right.