Topic: [SCAM] Sportsbet.io (Withholding funds) - page 13. (Read 4684 times)

I'm not very free right now to write this properly but @neymarjr12 I find it quite strange also that AskGamblers rejected your complaint. I'd like to know how your complaint with SBR goes as well, like SyGambler says and I support the view: SBR is also respected in terms of mediating with bookies (although I personally have not actually met anyone who used them). I think in this case, we should accept (if the complaint is registered successfully) any decision that comes from them.

> > > But before you attempt to reopen complaints with AG or SBR, we could perhaps try and help you with wording your complaint (perhaps the wording of the request got you rejected, because from the response, it could be that they don't understand it?) so that it has a higher chance of success on your 2nd attempt? Could you hold off on doing that for now until we get SBR's decision?

@Royse777 thank you for your words and I think many appreciate what you and others are trying to do here. I know you from the Covid campaign (it is still fresh in my memory=) ) so I trust the intentions are similar. I know you named me and others as possible forum users to look into this case but I hope you agree with me as well that we cannot and should not look into this issue. This now deals with someone's (neymar's) identity and we must do all we can not to jeopardise his privacy.

@efialtis I actually agree with you here on some level. We have got to try to be as objective as possible when dealing with all these different cases. I, for one, have always tried to refrain from getting involved (I mean, we all got so much real life crap don't we!), but here I am somehow! Like you, and like others, I guess we are all so busy with real life! In the case for the flag, however, I have decided to oppose it, but not because I oppose your view, but on the very simple grounds that I believe there is at least some doubt on their guilt and there is no concret proof as I can tell on either party's guilt (In the same way I would not support a flag on neymar right now). I also agree on your point, that we, as a forum, do have a [non-obligatory] duty towards our fellow users, and this forum has, on its own, settled many a dispute. However, now we deal with someone's identity and that is something I feel is a line we are not allowed to cross -- not merely on principle but on legal grounds. Which is why I can only say that AG or SBR or some similar recognised industry mediator can settle this. If we, as a forum, have contributed towards both parties reaching a settlement on that recognised platform, then I feel we'd have done our "jobs".

Let's all keep this thread tidy and on topic so we don't derail the effort. I'm keen to see this resolved as I'm gambling there too!

Supported! It's pretty sad to see (and also not surprising, unfortunately) some people just can't be unbiased and proving this by opposing the flags. Obviously people wearing their signature and what a coincidence it is that we now see "counter feedbacks" on SB's trust page as well... I am expecting that from random users but not from established ones - yes, everyone can and should have his own opinion but this is getting out of hand and if you don't agree - based on the facts here - don't support but opposing is bad judgement.

Edit: I am not sure if calling out all the sb participants and having them post how happy they are is helping - pretty much the opposite and underlying/confirming one of the points I made in some of my previous posts.

Did that, thanks for advice! Hope it helps...

Pipe down game-protect, don't want to get caught for ban evasion again. I’m quite certain sportsbet.io wouldn’t scam anybody, why would they, it makes no sense at all. If it’s pissing people off though, no problem I won’t post on this topic again.

Hopefully Steve provides 100% proof here which I’m sure he will.

LFC_Bitcoin is working for sportsbet.io, that is one thing that is for sure. He is hired to defend them here on the forum.
I guess the rest of the squad is not active now (jeremypwr is also a worker for sportsbet.io for example)
He will also fall down at some stage.

If people have any doubts, Google "sportsbet.io scam"
There are so many people here who post they are scammed by them an post evidence on the forum (mail conversations, screenshots from transactions).
The most funny thing is that they first claim somebody was breaking the rules, and manipulated the casino game, and then want to settle.
The software is professional and could not be manipulated.
Always the same nonsense about "Breaking Terms", Double spent etc.

This company is a shame for bitcointalk and day in day out I read that people are scammed by them.
Only with a yellow card we can prevent that people are scammed.

Flag supported however I would like neymarjr12 to create a flag type 3 since he is the one who lost the money.




https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;addflag=832366
Flag type 3
Link this thread as reference of the flag. Of course if you wish.

@LFC_Bitcoin, are you really not biased in your justification? You are asking us (everyone) to believe what sportsbet are saying even while we have a question mark on them now. This is not how bitcoin ideology works. #verify

PS: I believed them (sportsbet.io) blindly when there were no question marks on them.

I find this very suspicious.

AskGamblers complaints system has hundreds of complaints of casinos violating their own T&Cs.. yet they decline it for this?

Coincidence that Sportsbet.io won AskGamblers casino of the year or something similar?

Sportsbet.io have a suspiciously low amount of complaints on AskGamblers system, only 4??

Trustworthy people should have trustworthy justification for their actions: this situation is not an example of that.

My problem is the constant "x casino is reputable" rhetoric that I see not only here but on other, similar threads. The problem with this idea is that it is a form of denying the antecedent: you are changing the principle, "if they have scammed someone, then they will be marked as scammers," to "if they are not marked as scammers, then they have not scammed someone."

Reputation does not immediately absolve someone of the possibility to commit immoral actions. It is merely the rule, not the exception: to gain reputation, you must simply refrain from shady actions. It does not mean that you are incapable of doing so.

Moved from my request for flag support:


This is a joke and goes to show how "trustworthy" you are man, sorry - "this is totally uncalled for"?!?!?!?! If this is uncalled, what is called?!

I couldn't care less what they paid out to anyone or not - your actions alone go to show that something is not going in the right direction here in this forum when it comes to that operator.

Seriously, I am wondering if you'd act the same if it was you in the guy's position. Still, everyone as he wishes.

Edit: Yeah I do, so what? Man, I didn't think you'd be this unreasonable, pretty sad tbh...

I like to believe not paying me out these days wouldn't be very wise, don't you think?

Moved:
Responding to efialtis flag -





I trust sportsbet.io, there’s no way they’d scam somebody for 0.3BTC.

Bro, you created a flag but you gamble with them (presume you trust them to pay out if you win?)
There’s always noobs trying to scam casinos & sportsbookies, multi-accounting etc on here.



Opinions are like arse holes, we all have one. No hard feeling mate, I just disagree that’s all.

Take care.

I filed my complaint through SBR couple of days ago, they claim 3-5 business days for a reply, so should be soon.
Will check their forum later on as well.

Royse777 is acting absolutely right by leaving negative feedback under these circumstances - even if AskGamblers had taken on the case - the responses and actions so far have not been good enough and it's 100% true that if we were talking about another bookie, their trust page would be bloody red by now.

Also - even if such a "case" is being handled outside of this forum, be it AskGamblers, SBR - that would not mean that we do not take any action here, would it? Otherwise we would have to remove negative feedback and flags from every operator with open disputes, right?

Long story short: I guess it is time for a flag shortly so this case will finally be handled the way it should, hopefully. (No, I have better things to do than randomly flagging and leaving negative feedbacks, I am not enjoying this and especially not when talking about my favorite crypto bookie) but everyone here should imagine he was in neymarjr's position...

Edit: Flag created and asking for support - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=2160

that's kinda weird , I don't know how they can help gamblers when pretty much in all the cases the sites claim that players are breaking ToS
BTW in my last post I mentioned that there were cases related to nitrogen and fairlay with askgamblers but now I remembered that Askgamblers wasn't the site
it was SBR and they helped someone who had a lot of money stuck in Fairlay in the past , they have forums and section for complaints so maybe they can help with this particular case

Hi @buwaytress,
I submitted my complaint to AskGamblers, but unfortunately for me they said that "In a situation where terms violation is being disputed, AskGamblers Complaints Team is following a strict policy of non-intervention as we are adamant in our position that once accepted and signed, all the relevant casino and bonus terms should be followed. " - so they rejected my complaint based on it.
This is a screenshot of their full reply: https://ibb.co/s2H9pCg
I will still ask them one more time and post the link to this thread (I hope it will matter that so many people replied and raised their opinions and concerns).
If anyone has any contacts with AskGamblers or knows how to explain them that this case actually can be reviewed by them, it would be very helpful.

@buwaytress yeah that seems really the best thing to do since the problem now turning out it to be about KYC
they helped gamblers with nitrogen and fairlay in the past , don't remember any case with sportsbet tho but I guess they can handle it

Agreed. Nobody in this forum needs to 'handle' this to determine who is correct.
There are recognised experienced mediators with a reputation , and OP should make use of those, if he has not already.
Anyone here taking sides will be of no use to @neymarjr12 , we all can be heavily biased based on our personal experiences, and only fair way for him to get a resolution to make use of said mediators.
Other then that its just meaningless arguments and finger pointing. Sportsbet has made it pretty clear they will not share any personal/incriminating info ( for good reason to protect their tools/identity holder),
@neymarjr12 please lodge a dispute on askgamblers,
May the righteous come out ahead

I hope you are not accusing me for this tag? I am aware of the suggestion proposed by buwaytress two days ago.

It was not my fault. Sportsbet still has not come with any satisfactory answer and I already mentioned several times that tagging them would be the last thing I will do. It was not easy for me. Come up with a satisfactory solution, I will remove my tag immediately when I get notified. Tagging a business or an account is not my job and I do not get fun from it.

Let me ask you a question: What would I, you and all of us do if this kind of accusation was from a random casino/sportsbook?

I personally would not think much but would tag them. Sportsbet gets a ticket because they have proved us trusted many times but sometimes it's not enough.

Royse bro,

buwaytress already suggested AskGamblers 2 days ago.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.54840115
Archived:  http://archive.is/M4HBu

This could have been done a lot cleaner without tagging?

I would ask neymarjr12 to do so if he has not done it yet. As soon as, I will have a clear understanding that the issue has resolved from both sides, I will quickly remove my tag.

Sportsbet proved them right many times in the past and I hope they will do the same again. Looking forward to it.

PS: @buwaytress, I usually send 5 merits when I do but this time I am out of it :-D

Hi guys. I hope I'm not yet another unneeded cook but I would like to reiterate my suggestion in that we request both neymarjr12 and Sportsbet to both proceed with this situation through a recognised gambling industry arbitrator -- AskGamblers.com.

@neymarjr12 Please if you haven't done so already, do open your case against them using this link: https://www.askgamblers.com/casino-complaints/

There is a tutorial there that I urge you to watch and then submit it and wait for it to appear on that same page (your complaint will register there if it meets all the requirements). Then, I would ask you to update this OP with all the information, I am more than certain Sportsbet will respond to that complaint there.

Why do this instead of involving all of us and others here?

1. As much as I respect and love many of the posters here -- I know almost all of them by name and consider them my friends and like-minded allies in gambling -- I do not think it is fair to ask you OR Sportsbet to disclose any private and confidential information. I, for one, would really not like to meddle with GDPR consequences, nor would I like anyone I know here to expose themselves to that very real, potentially litigious risk.

2. As much as I'd like to think my opinion counts (it is possibly not objective as I use Sportsbet myself), I don't think it is also fair to ask anyone to accept our unqualified observations, since none of us I believe actually work in the industry. AskGamblers is the only 3rd-party, independent arbitrator that I trust and I know many others online trust as well. THEY are qualified to intervene and mediate.

3. AskGamblers decision will carry more weight, and should be final, more so than any decision either of us individually or as a group could possibly have. Casinos know their reputation and will be eager and keen to resolve this with them, in a way that protects their method (but opening themselves to inquiry by AskGamblers), and protects the user (so neither I nor anyone on this forum can access your data). We may be able to affect trust ratings here but a flag by AskGamblers will affect trust ratings elsewhere online, arguably with wider impact.

OP, you can inform Sportsbet you are doing this, update the first post with relevant and updated information, and keep us abreast and informed.