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Quote from: Use Your Brain on July 26, 2020, 12:00:50 PM

Quote from: mindrust on July 26, 2020, 11:45:44 AM

seizing the player's winnings without showing any proofs for their claims

Again with this "proof"? Wasnt it already determined sportsbet isnt going to disclose sensitive information. This was beatin to death already and now its just getting repetitive.

Quote from: mindrust on July 26, 2020, 11:45:44 AM

for KYC even though they were going to throw the documents right to the trash can.

You must not be much of a gambler cuz this isnt how kyc works. These gambling havens want the ir customers to keep playing they dont want them to leave their gambling haven. The players lose more than they win so it is not in casinos best interest to not let a degenerate gamble. kyc is normal for bitcoin for reasons already stated.

I don't buy it.

Fuck KYC.

freebitco.in has no KYC and they are killing it.

Also see:

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Quote from: Kakmakr on July 25, 2020, 06:27:17 AM

2. Fiat+Crypto casinos strip all pseudo anonymity from Crypto gamblers, because they require full KYC requirements. (This in most cases are not a choice, but a regulatory requirement linked to their Fiat links to government.

Sadly point 2 applies also to many pure crypto casinos. There are only a few of them don't ask KYC at all.

Casinos use KYC to cover up their lack of technical knowledge and general faults.

If someone goes to freebitco.in (it is only an example, the truth is i don't know any other casino that is completely KYC free) and win 1000btc today by hacking the website or by just playing honest and withdraw it immediately, they won't ask you your KYC documents. You'll be able to get your money right away.

But if they catch you while hacking, they'll lock up your account, seize your coins and give a kick in the butt and post the proofs in the forum.

That's how you should deal with scammers.

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Quote from: mindrust on July 26, 2020, 11:45:44 AM

seizing the player's winnings without showing any proofs for their claims

Again with this "proof"? Wasnt it already determined sportsbet isnt going to disclose sensitive information. This was beatin to death already and now its just getting repetitive.

Quote from: mindrust on July 26, 2020, 11:45:44 AM

for KYC even though they were going to throw the documents right to the trash can.

You must not be much of a gambler cuz this isnt how kyc works. These gambling havens want the ir customers to keep playing they dont want them to leave their gambling haven. The players lose more than they win so it is not in casinos best interest to not let a degenerate gamble. kyc is normal for bitcoin for reasons already stated.

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Quote from: Trofo on July 21, 2020, 03:11:35 AM

I agree with all @efialtis said on this topic.

As a long time user of Sportsbet I can't believe they would try to scam somebody for 0.4 BTC. Heck they gave more than half of that to me as a reload bonus while I was high rolling there. They are very high on my trusted pages list and probably the most trusted gambling site.

That being said I am also aware that we are in highly unregulated space and I believe service providers should be much more open in cases like this. I don't know how their multi accounting algorithm works and I even understand they can't publicly provide all info since then the scammers would have an easier time but they have to provide something. There simply has to be some sort of transparency.

Do you guys remember those Wednesday poker freerolls? There has been so much multi accounting there that it was unplayable in the early stages of tournament. I was wandering for long time what does the Sportsbet gain from promo like that and my best answer is just - a confirmation of the multi account scammers. They have great promos and multi accounting really gives edge in those promos, both against the house and against other players.

you better stop talking trash and very very fast stop with this moron talk
you are working for them and they pay you t defend them, you did not play with them and they did not give you money

i hope neymr will get his money soon
and we have to make sure nobody will ever play here again ever
sportsbet.io SCAM numero uno

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Quote from: suchmoon on July 26, 2020, 11:42:13 AM

Quote from: mindrust on July 26, 2020, 11:26:21 AM

https://i.imgur.com/LEc5z.jpg

You look good, taking your vitamins daily?

Assuming you have a problem with me saying that there is no written contract violation - the written contract (T&C) says that multiple accounts are not allowed and it doesn't require Sportsbet to post proof publicly. If you sign an unfavorable contract I don't think you can claim it was violated when things don't go your way... unless the contract is unlawful perhaps, but I doubt that's the case here.

So then Sportsbet can disable ALL of the accounts on the platform, claim that everyone was multi accounting and don't provide ANY proof to anyone, right?

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Quote from: suchmoon on July 26, 2020, 11:42:13 AM

Assuming you have a problem with me saying that there is no written contract violation - the written contract (T&C) says that multiple accounts are not allowed and it doesn't require Sportsbet to post proof publicly. If you sign an unfavorable contract I don't think you can claim it was violated when things don't go your way... unless the contract is unlawful perhaps, but I doubt that's the case here.

So you are completely OK with sportsbet.io's actions that is, seizing the player's winnings without showing any proofs for their claims and asking for KYC even though they were going to throw the documents right to the trash can.

This definitely is NOT the way how a trusted/reputable casino should act. "to save peanuts."

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Quote from: mindrust on July 26, 2020, 11:26:21 AM

https://i.imgur.com/LEc5z.jpg

You look good, taking your vitamins daily?

Assuming you have a problem with me saying that there is no written contract violation - the written contract (T&C) says that multiple accounts are not allowed, it requires that users "acknowledge that Sportsbet.io shall be the final decision-maker as to whether you have violated rules, terms or conditions", and it doesn't require Sportsbet to post proof publicly. If you sign an unfavorable contract I don't think you can claim it was violated when things don't go your way.

Quote from: marlboroza on July 26, 2020, 11:30:57 AM

Hm, but in both scenarios you will get your deposit back, just like you have never ever gambled. It's not really winning strategy. Technically, if player has never won until now, SB should send him his losses back and deduct winnings if any.

Well, technically you could forget that you had multiple accounts if you win. Just like casinos remember to check for multiple accounts if you win.

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Quote from: suchmoon on July 26, 2020, 11:15:56 AM

To make it extra bulletproof, create both accounts in advance.

Hm, but in both scenarios you will get your deposit back, just like you have never ever gambled (investigation and all that crap). It's not really winning strategy. Technically, if player has never won until now, SB should send him his losses back and deduct winnings if any.

Quote from: suchmoon on July 26, 2020, 11:15:56 AM

If you win - great. If you lose - create another account, contact support and say "hey, I have multiple accounts"

In this case player didn't cheat because they had only one account at that moment. It goes to regular win/lose category.

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Quote from: suchmoon on July 26, 2020, 11:15:56 AM

. But I don't think there was a violation of a written contract here. Written contract gives Sportsbet the right to do what they did.

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Quote from: marlboroza on July 26, 2020, 08:51:31 AM

Was this the case here? How is that they didn't spot multi accounts before player won, but as soon as they start withdrawing...."peanuts", SB investigated account? Oh, wait, never mind Roll Eyes

I think I have a bulletproof 100% winning strategy. I'll share it for free just because I'm generous today. Regular price 300 BTC.

Create an account on Sportsbet. Make ludicrous bets. If you win - great. If you lose - create another account, contact support and say "hey, I have multiple accounts". Technically they should allow you to withdraw the deposited funds and cancel the losses like they cancelled the winnings here. To make it extra bulletproof, create both accounts in advance.

This whole multi-accounting thing is idiotic, no question about it. But I don't think there was a violation of a written contract here. Written contract gives Sportsbet the right to do what they did.

Grin

- smiley because some dildo will surely think I'm being serious with my "strategy".

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Quote from: mindrust on July 26, 2020, 10:53:33 AM

Quote from: rohang on July 26, 2020, 10:45:50 AM

Quote from: mindrust on July 26, 2020, 09:44:59 AM

Does anybody know who that guy is posting almost only in sportsbet.io threads and opposed the flag without saying a word?

rohang

What do you mean who i am ?
Who are you?
Everyone opposed/supported due to what they thought and their personal opinions.
I did the same, i dont see anyone saying anything why they opposed it under the flag, is that even possible?
Why even single me out? Cuz im not a regular poster or some legendary user like you? I am sorry my life doesnt allow me time for online forums and sit on keyboard all day. I like to follow sportsbet promos etc and thats why i am only active there.

I have no input on the case , and its irrelevant. Everyone posting here cant make sportsbet pay, and u all are delusional if you think you can.
I dont think they are scamming due to my personal experience. I won their black friday 100mbtc drop when they have 0 fucking reasons to credit me.

Why so angry? Sad

You were a DT member for a short period of time and I wondered your point of view. Sad

Don't be so mean. Sad

Not angry , just irritated , i 'supported' sportsbet because of my own experience + friends i know experience,
i dont even know what DT is and how i got in it/out of it.
Nor do i care for it,
Only here to follow gambling sites promos, sportsbet/nitro/stake, sportsbet are the most active so i am most active on theirs. simple
edit;
Sorry for coming off as rude, i am the furthest thing away from it. Just having a bad weekend and got irritated.

Quote from: Pffrt on July 26, 2020, 10:57:53 AM

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What is DT anyways ? And how did i even get in it

LFC has added you to their trust list and you have been promoted to DT2 member since LFC is a DT1 member. This thread may give you some more explanation- https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/defaulttrust-changes-5095156

Thanks for the thread link, seems like people jerking off each other to gain bigger e-peen.
Dont care for it, had no idea when i was in or out of it.

edit: this will be my last reply here. Things are getting offtopic and out of respect to OP i would like to not clutter this thread with irrelevant posts. Hope whoever is in the wrong corrects himself

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Quote from: ?? on ??

What is DT anyways ? And how did i even get in it

LFC has added you to their trust list and you have been promoted to DT2 member since LFC is a DT1 member. This thread may give you some more explanation- https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/defaulttrust-changes-5095156

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Quote from: rohang on July 26, 2020, 10:45:50 AM

Quote from: mindrust on July 26, 2020, 09:44:59 AM

Does anybody know who that guy is posting almost only in sportsbet.io threads and opposed the flag without saying a word?

rohang

What do you mean who i am ?
Who are you?
Everyone opposed/supported due to what they thought and their personal opinions.
I did the same, i dont see anyone saying anything why they opposed it under the flag, is that even possible?
Why even single me out? Cuz im not a regular poster or some legendary user like you? I am sorry my life doesnt allow me time for online forums and sit on keyboard all day. I like to follow sportsbet promos etc and thats why i am only active there.

I have no input on the case , and its irrelevant. Everyone posting here cant make sportsbet pay, and u all are delusional if you think you can.
I dont think they are scamming due to my personal experience. I won their black friday 100mbtc drop when they have 0 fucking reasons to credit me.

Why so angry? Sad

You were a DT member for a short period of time and I wondered your point of view. Sad

Don't be so mean. Sad

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Quote from: mindrust on July 26, 2020, 09:44:59 AM

Does anybody know who that guy is posting almost only in sportsbet.io threads and opposed the flag without saying a word?

rohang

What do you mean who i am ?
Who are you?
Everyone opposed/supported due to what they thought and their personal opinions.
I did the same, i dont see anyone saying anything why they opposed it under the flag, is that even possible?
Why even single me out? Cuz im not a regular poster or some legendary user like you? I am sorry my life doesnt allow me time for online forums and sit on keyboard all day. I like to follow sportsbet promos etc and thats why i am only active there.

I have no input on the case , and its irrelevant. Everyone posting here cant make sportsbet pay, and u all are delusional if you think you can.
I dont think they are scamming due to my personal experience. I won their black friday 100mbtc drop when they have 0 fucking reasons to credit me.

Quote from: Pffrt on July 26, 2020, 10:11:11 AM

Quote from: mindrust on July 26, 2020, 10:06:23 AM

None of these are DT members. Their votes are pretty much worthless. I wondered who that is, that's all. His vote ~~affects~~ was affecting the flag's status since he is was a DT member and I haven't seen him before.

I was surprised to see that guy DT and now OFF DT. May be LoyceV can who was playing with rohang DT and OFF DT? I have noticed that from other thread in reputation shared by marlboroza. When I checked the user, I learnr that he only sent that one feedback in his forum journey.

What is DT anyways ? And how did i even get in it

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on July 26, 2020, 10:14:35 AM

Both flags are here - If you feel the urge to participate, go ahead. Neither one has anywhere near enough DT support to be live.

Because you are making sure that the opposed users stay in DT or become DT to look this/these flag/s bad. More...

Quote from: suchmoon on July 26, 2020, 10:39:22 AM

https://bpip.org/TrustLog

Lots of fallout from this debacle over the last few days. I have a hard time believing that some of these users genuinely distrust each other.

And every time you will find LFC_Bitcoin takes action after his competition makes a selection or deselection. And lots of new entrusts from LFC_Bitcoin only who are opposing this flag or already opposed the flag. Timestamp makes it very clear.

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Quote from: Pffrt on July 26, 2020, 10:11:11 AM

May be LoyceV can who was playing with rohang DT and OFF DT?

Oh come on, LoyceV, really? Grin

https://bpip.org/TrustLog

Lots of fallout from this debacle over the last few days. I have a hard time believing that some of these users genuinely distrust each other.

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on July 26, 2020, 10:10:06 AM

mindrust, dude if DT members feel the flags are worth supporting I’m sure they will. Until then don’t get bent out of shape by it. Life is too short

I am neither supporting nor opposing the flag, yet. I am just making observations. Cool

I am a good observer. I learned it at the WALL.

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Quote from: Pffrt on July 26, 2020, 10:11:11 AM

I was surprised to see that guy DT and now OFF DT. May be LoyceV can who was playing with rohang DT and OFF DT? I have noticed that from other thread in reputation shared by marlboroza. When I checked the user, I learnr that he only sent that one feedback in his forum journey.

I had him in my trust settings, I took him off because I cba with all the moaning. Going to go through my trust list later & really condense it, this whole saga is tiring, wish I didn’t get involved. There are two flags, if people think sportsbet are scammers they’d get a red flag & their business would be over. There’s a reason people aren't supporting them, they don’t think sportsbet would scam for such little money.

Both flags are here - If you feel the urge to participate, go ahead. Neither one has anywhere near enough DT support to be live.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=832366;page=iflags

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Quote from: mindrust on July 26, 2020, 10:06:23 AM

None of these are DT members. Their votes are pretty much worthless. I wondered who that is, that's all. His vote ~~affects~~ was affecting the flag's status since he is was a DT member and I haven't seen him before.

I was surprised to see that guy DT and now OFF DT. May be LoyceV can who was playing with rohang DT and OFF DT? I have noticed that from other thread in reputation shared by marlboroza. When I checked the user, I learnr that he only sent that one feedback in his forum journey.

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mindrust, dude if DT members feel the flags are worth supporting I’m sure they will. Until then don’t get bent out of shape by it. Life is too short

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on July 26, 2020, 10:01:59 AM

Quote from: mindrust on July 26, 2020, 09:44:59 AM

Does anybody know who that guy is posting almost only in sportsbet.io threads and opposed the flag without saying a word?

rohang

In fairness dude who the hell are most of the people supporting the flag, Royse & efialtis fair enough.

How about these?

baxterx (1 post) - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/baxterx-2804614
humaxx - (5 posts) - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/humaxx-2829863
adam0991 - (7 posts) - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/adam0991-2828445
drexlas - (16 posts) - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/drexlas-2804172
gosha@e-coin (game-protect) - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/goshae-coin-409314
VanityWallets2015 (suspected game-protect alt) - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/vanitywallets2015-435792

None of these are DT members. Their votes are pretty much worthless. I wondered who that is, that's all. His vote ~~affects~~ was affecting the flag's status since he is was a DT member and I haven't seen him before.

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