Hi Guys,
This matter has been discussed on an ongoing basis between the player and our relevant Sportsbook department.
Based on the initial information we had at hand, we decided to lock the account temporarily and contact the player to ask for more information on some matters.
We have asked several questions of the player, on many different email chains. We are not confident in the credibility of the answers vs the information we have at hand.
The decision was made to keep the account closed and refund the customer the difference between the deposits and withdrawals (102mbtc)
On no less than 4 occasions we have requested the customer to provide their nominated bitcoin wallet address so we can send back the money.
these emails date back a couple of weeks, so this is not a new request.
Regardless of the player is happy with the decision of closing their account or not, this is a decision that under the circumstances will not be reversed and the player will have the same amount of money they started with.
Occasion number 5: Neymarjr12: Can you please email back your desired bitcoin wallet address so we can return you the 102 mbtc. This will be done as soon as you send the details.
Thank you for your time all.
In the interest of serving other sportsbet.io customers evenly and fairly, I won't be allocating any more time to this matter. I trust you understand.
regards,
Steve,
Sportsbet.io
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Only 0.1 BTC is players money? Really? Because that's his deposit? Couldn't disagree more - the minute you win it, it's yours of course - that's the reason why people gamble in the first place and the business model?
apparently they are disputing the way he made the profit. If they get profit using fraud method, it’s the same as if he stole it.
I assume that all casinos have the same rule if you cheat, you can't win. Player still has the option to get his money, and will not be at a loss.
In any case, we can only to speculate, I would like to see the casino's side of the story.
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Does sound like a tough case for OP but I know if he has a case, it will be listened out and there will be a conclusion, one way or other.
To all those saying Google searches are full of hits on scams, I don't disagree, but you'll find the same for any popular site. Whether or not these claims are justified, I generally believe in reputation -- not just of the one being accused, but of the accusers. In my experience, those with genuine claims will go through an arbitrator (if they're not satisfactorily handled as I'm sure SB will with OP's case). Those with no authentic claims tend to use reputation blackmail.
I'm not for blindly defending anyone, and I certainly have been a benefactor of SB so my opinion's not objective, but I'd recommend anyone who has a case and can't find a conclusion to seek a recognized arbitrator like AskGamblers to open a case. Be prepared to provide all evidence and then accept the ones against you, if any. AskGamblers is probably the most respected arbitrator in this space. Mind you, they do view SB as a highly trustworthy name in the space, as they have resolved countless cases against SB already, and found their decisions to be warranted.
To all those saying Google searches are full of hits on scams, I don't disagree, but you'll find the same for any popular site. Whether or not these claims are justified, I generally believe in reputation -- not just of the one being accused, but of the accusers. In my experience, those with genuine claims will go through an arbitrator (if they're not satisfactorily handled as I'm sure SB will with OP's case). Those with no authentic claims tend to use reputation blackmail.
I'm not for blindly defending anyone, and I certainly have been a benefactor of SB so my opinion's not objective, but I'd recommend anyone who has a case and can't find a conclusion to seek a recognized arbitrator like AskGamblers to open a case. Be prepared to provide all evidence and then accept the ones against you, if any. AskGamblers is probably the most respected arbitrator in this space. Mind you, they do view SB as a highly trustworthy name in the space, as they have resolved countless cases against SB already, and found their decisions to be warranted.
Only 0.1 BTC is players money? Really? Because that's his deposit? Couldn't disagree more - the minute you win it, it's yours of course - that's the reason why people gamble in the first place and the business model?
apparently they are disputing the way he made the profit. If they get profit using fraud method, it’s the same as if he stole it.
I assume that all casinos have the same rule if you cheat, you can't win. Player still has the option to get his money, and will not be at a loss.
In any case, we can only to speculate, I would like to see the casino's side of the story.
I agree with all @efialtis said on this topic.
As a long time user of Sportsbet I can't believe they would try to scam somebody for 0.4 BTC. Heck they gave more than half of that to me as a reload bonus while I was high rolling there. They are very high on my trusted pages list and probably the most trusted gambling site.
As a long time user of Sportsbet I can't believe they would try to scam somebody for 0.4 BTC. Heck they gave more than half of that to me as a reload bonus while I was high rolling there. They are very high on my trusted pages list and probably the most trusted gambling site.
Don't forget that only 0.1 BTC is players money, initial deposit. Rest between 0.1 and 0.4 is profit from gambling. Also, the house wants to give the initial deposit back to him, obviously not accepting his bets and winnings.
He is already withdrawing money from Sportsbet casino, but now they are stuck there. not the first time we see users who've accused casino but at the end, they cheated his promotion.
Anyway, I don't want to defend any side there, but I did not see enough evidence that casino trying to scam someone here.
Only 0.1 BTC is players money? Really? Because that's his deposit? Couldn't disagree more - the minute you win it, it's yours of course - that's the reason why people gamble in the first place and the business model?
I agree with all @efialtis said on this topic.
As a long time user of Sportsbet I can't believe they would try to scam somebody for 0.4 BTC. Heck they gave more than half of that to me as a reload bonus while I was high rolling there. They are very high on my trusted pages list and probably the most trusted gambling site.
As a long time user of Sportsbet I can't believe they would try to scam somebody for 0.4 BTC. Heck they gave more than half of that to me as a reload bonus while I was high rolling there. They are very high on my trusted pages list and probably the most trusted gambling site.
Don't forget that only 0.1 BTC is players money, initial deposit. Rest between 0.1 and 0.4 is profit from gambling. Also, the house wants to give the initial deposit back to him, obviously not accepting his bets and winnings.
He is already withdrawing money from Sportsbet casino, but now they are stuck there. not the first time we see users who've accused casino but at the end, they cheated his promotion.
Anyway, I don't want to defend any side there, but I did not see enough evidence that casino trying to scam someone here.
I agree with all @efialtis said on this topic.
As a long time user of Sportsbet I can't believe they would try to scam somebody for 0.4 BTC. Heck they gave more than half of that to me as a reload bonus while I was high rolling there. They are very high on my trusted pages list and probably the most trusted gambling site.
That being said I am also aware that we are in highly unregulated space and I believe service providers should be much more open in cases like this. I don't know how their multi accounting algorithm works and I even understand they can't publicly provide all info since then the scammers would have an easier time but they have to provide something. There simply has to be some sort of transparency.
Do you guys remember those Wednesday poker freerolls? There has been so much multi accounting there that it was unplayable in the early stages of tournament. I was wandering for long time what does the Sportsbet gain from promo like that and my best answer is just - a confirmation of the multi account scammers. They have great promos and multi accounting really gives edge in those promos, both against the house and against other players.
As a long time user of Sportsbet I can't believe they would try to scam somebody for 0.4 BTC. Heck they gave more than half of that to me as a reload bonus while I was high rolling there. They are very high on my trusted pages list and probably the most trusted gambling site.
That being said I am also aware that we are in highly unregulated space and I believe service providers should be much more open in cases like this. I don't know how their multi accounting algorithm works and I even understand they can't publicly provide all info since then the scammers would have an easier time but they have to provide something. There simply has to be some sort of transparency.
Do you guys remember those Wednesday poker freerolls? There has been so much multi accounting there that it was unplayable in the early stages of tournament. I was wandering for long time what does the Sportsbet gain from promo like that and my best answer is just - a confirmation of the multi account scammers. They have great promos and multi accounting really gives edge in those promos, both against the house and against other players.
I 100% believe he’s been multi accounting, hope to hear from sportsbet themselves to clarify this.
Sportsbet reputation is well enough and same like you no one else gonna believe that they will commit scam like this. Its really disturbing to continue with this kinda topic where most of the time thread creator don't accept his mistake but love to give entire blame to reputed platforms. They don't care to think a little bit before opening the accusation but finally everything get clear after getting real explanation from the authority. Same like always i wish sportsbet authority will give their explanation here and OP will stop bumping this topic.
@efialtis
You can’t believe this is the 1% case?
As someone who has worked with Sportsbet, I know you can’t believe they’d try & scam some guy over such a pittance.
I 100% believe he’s been multi accounting, hope to hear from sportsbet themselves to clarify this.
You can’t believe this is the 1% case?
As someone who has worked with Sportsbet, I know you can’t believe they’d try & scam some guy over such a pittance.
I 100% believe he’s been multi accounting, hope to hear from sportsbet themselves to clarify this.
Nope - I really don't!
My main point though is that those emails / the behaviour / the attitude are far from ideal - in "real life" you can't just confiscate someone's money without providing proof that he broke terms and even worse, you can't just do this without having to worry about the person taking legal action against you - we are still in wild wild west when it comes to online gambling and that is why I have always been a supporter of regulation... for all sides!
On a different note - one could argue for hours about the multi-accounting thing - operators obviously don't care as long as ppl are losing...
To be clear - I absolutely trust sportsbet.io and would recommend them to anyone looking for a crypto bookie!
@efialtis
You can’t believe this is the 1% case?
As someone who has worked with Sportsbet, I know you can’t believe they’d try & scam some guy over such a pittance.
I 100% believe he’s been multi accounting, hope to hear from sportsbet themselves to clarify this.
Well, at this point we need to wait for their reply and explanation. You can’t believe this is the 1% case?
As someone who has worked with Sportsbet, I know you can’t believe they’d try & scam some guy over such a pittance.
I 100% believe he’s been multi accounting, hope to hear from sportsbet themselves to clarify this.
@efialtis
You can’t believe this is the 1% case?
As someone who has worked with Sportsbet, I know you can’t believe they’d try & scam some guy over such a pittance.
I 100% believe he’s been multi accounting, hope to hear from sportsbet themselves to clarify this.
You can’t believe this is the 1% case?
As someone who has worked with Sportsbet, I know you can’t believe they’d try & scam some guy over such a pittance.
I 100% believe he’s been multi accounting, hope to hear from sportsbet themselves to clarify this.
Nope - I really don't!
My main point though is that those emails / the behaviour / the attitude are far from ideal - in "real life" you can't just confiscate someone's money without providing proof that he broke terms and even worse, you can't just do this without having to worry about the person taking legal action against you - we are still in wild wild west when it comes to online gambling and that is why I have always been a supporter of regulation... for all sides!
On a different note - one could argue for hours about the multi-accounting thing - operators obviously don't care as long as ppl are losing...
To be clear - I absolutely trust sportsbet.io and would recommend them to anyone looking for a crypto bookie!
I have screenshots of all of my bets, all transactions, all of the e-mails with support, I wrote the whole story as it is - why then you call me a "scammer"? Because I am a newbie on bitcointalk? Very wise 
I have no doubt that you placed winning bets, you’ve been caught out multi accounting which is against the ToS of pretty much all bookies.
Let’s wait & see, I know sportsbet.io are trustworthy, there’s no way they’d risk their impeccable rep over such peanuts.
I recognise some of the senior posters names in this thread & I’m shocked that a couple of you would take this newbie's word over an established bookie like sportsbet.io
It's a horrible ideology if you simply assume that reputable sites are incapable of scamming users. Imagine someone plays poker, assuming that the better player won't bluff! You've created an exploitable strategy in your decision-making process: if a site does end up scamming or ripping of a user, then what happens? We still lack the true information, but you have already assumed a conclusion.I give users the benefit of the doubt. If the casino doesn't respond to an accusation, that's a problem. Even trite accusations deserve some recognition just so that people can rationally dismiss them - a lack of skepticism can easily lead to scams.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Call me cynical, but I'm never one to always default to trusting the casino... especially considering some of the ToS policies they slap on.
Let’s wait for sportsbet.io now, they’re probably joining the dots before laying the SMACKDOWN. I just fail to believe sportsbet.io would pull something like this.
He’s supposedly been caught multi accounting.
They did accuse me of multi accounting, but didn't provide any proof of that. From my side I repeat that this is my first and only account on Sportsbet.io and that I can go through any KYC procedure needed to prove it.
@efialtis
You can’t believe this is the 1% case?
As someone who has worked with Sportsbet, I know you can’t believe they’d try & scam some guy over such a pittance.
I 100% believe he’s been multi accounting, hope to hear from sportsbet themselves to clarify this.
You can’t believe this is the 1% case?
As someone who has worked with Sportsbet, I know you can’t believe they’d try & scam some guy over such a pittance.
I 100% believe he’s been multi accounting, hope to hear from sportsbet themselves to clarify this.
0.373 btc is my balance after my account was disabled: https://ibb.co/c2QQZbh
The links are my deposits. I can post here all of my sportbets that were made (won and lost), minus two withdrawals before account was disabled, this will equal to 0.373btc.
I will suggest you to send them a PM including your topic link. You have already described all from your side and i wish they will give their explanation here soon. Till then keep patience. The links are my deposits. I can post here all of my sportbets that were made (won and lost), minus two withdrawals before account was disabled, this will equal to 0.373btc.
I will be watching this thread, too - just like lfc_bitcoin wrote, you wouldn't imagine a book scamming anyone for such pocket money. In addition to that, sportsbet have gained a nice reputation (there were "problems" years ago) plus I know many of the guys and can tell this is definitely not a scam operation.
Still - and this is important - while in 99% of all cases, such "newbies" are simply trying to rip off gambling operators, there are cases when they are actually right. Tbh, no matter what. you can't just make a claim (you are a multi-accounter) and hold people's money back without presenting evidence - it's as simple as that. And this is pretty much the only thing pissing me off rather often when it comes to the online gambling industry... Players (the operators' customers) will always have a hard time with operators referring to their ToS etc. while it's nearly impossible for customers to take legal action (Curacao fwiw...)
We have seen such cases before and I guess sooner or later the sportsbet guys will "present" the evidence (doesn't need to be in public obviously) or make a statement clarifying what's really going on behind the scene.
Nb. "Sportsbet's fraud team" emails to op actually sucked if you ask me and confirm what I just wrote - bring some proof so the scammer has to shut up and that's it, end of the story. Don't just refer to your ToS. I still believe they might be right but this doesn't justify to act as we see here.
Still - and this is important - while in 99% of all cases, such "newbies" are simply trying to rip off gambling operators, there are cases when they are actually right. Tbh, no matter what. you can't just make a claim (you are a multi-accounter) and hold people's money back without presenting evidence - it's as simple as that. And this is pretty much the only thing pissing me off rather often when it comes to the online gambling industry... Players (the operators' customers) will always have a hard time with operators referring to their ToS etc. while it's nearly impossible for customers to take legal action (Curacao fwiw...)
We have seen such cases before and I guess sooner or later the sportsbet guys will "present" the evidence (doesn't need to be in public obviously) or make a statement clarifying what's really going on behind the scene.
Nb. "Sportsbet's fraud team" emails to op actually sucked if you ask me and confirm what I just wrote - bring some proof so the scammer has to shut up and that's it, end of the story. Don't just refer to your ToS. I still believe they might be right but this doesn't justify to act as we see here.
I have screenshots of all of my bets, all transactions, all of the e-mails with support, I wrote the whole story as it is - why then you call me a "scammer"? Because I am a newbie on bitcointalk? Very wise
I have no doubt that you placed winning bets, you’ve been caught out multi accounting which is against the ToS of pretty much all bookies.
Let’s wait & see, I know sportsbet.io are trustworthy, there’s no way they’d risk their impeccable rep over such peanuts.
I recognise some of the senior posters names in this thread & I’m shocked that a couple of you would take this newbie's word over an established bookie like sportsbet.io
It's a horrible ideology if you simply assume that reputable sites are incapable of scamming users. Imagine someone plays poker, assuming that the better player won't bluff! You've created an exploitable strategy in your decision-making process: if a site does end up scamming or ripping of a user, then what happens? We still lack the true information, but you have already assumed a conclusion.I give users the benefit of the doubt. If the casino doesn't respond to an accusation, that's a problem. Even trite accusations deserve some recognition just so that people can rationally dismiss them - a lack of skepticism can easily lead to scams.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Call me cynical, but I'm never one to always default to trusting the casino... especially considering some of the ToS policies they slap on.
Let’s wait for sportsbet.io now, they’re probably joining the dots before laying the SMACKDOWN. I just fail to believe sportsbet.io would pull something like this.
He’s supposedly been caught multi accounting.
I recognise some of the senior posters names in this thread & I’m shocked that a couple of you would take this newbie's word over an established bookie like sportsbet.io
It's a horrible ideology if you simply assume that reputable sites are incapable of scamming users. Imagine someone plays poker, assuming that the better player won't bluff! You've created an exploitable strategy in your decision-making process: if a site does end up scamming or ripping of a user, then what happens? We still lack the true information, but you have already assumed a conclusion.I give users the benefit of the doubt. If the casino doesn't respond to an accusation, that's a problem. Even trite accusations deserve some recognition just so that people can rationally dismiss them - a lack of skepticism can easily lead to scams.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Call me cynical, but I'm never one to always default to trusting the casino... especially considering some of the ToS policies they slap on.
There is no way in hell sportsbet.io would steal .373 BTC from anyone. They’re one of, if not the most trustworthy sports bookies in crypto, they sponsor Watford FC which costs them millions of £ per season. They take people on fucking all expenses paid for trips. They paid for buwaytress to go to the Club World Cup, flights, hotels & tickets in Qatar (I know this because I nearly won that fucking comp:D).
Seriously they rake in so much money yet some of you are even thinking this could be legit, fucking LOL.
I recognise some of the senior posters names in this thread & I’m shocked that a couple of you would take this newbie's word over an established bookie like sportsbet.io
There’s always fucking noob scammers on here trying to ruin the rep of good casinos.
I have screenshots of all of my bets, all transactions, all of the e-mails with support, I wrote the whole story as it is - why then you call me a "scammer"? Because I am a newbie on bitcointalk? Very wise Seriously they rake in so much money yet some of you are even thinking this could be legit, fucking LOL.
I recognise some of the senior posters names in this thread & I’m shocked that a couple of you would take this newbie's word over an established bookie like sportsbet.io
There’s always fucking noob scammers on here trying to ruin the rep of good casinos.
There is no way in hell sportsbet.io would steal .373 BTC from anyone. They’re one of, if not the most trustworthy sports bookies in crypto, they sponsor Watford FC which costs them millions of £ per season. They take people on fucking all expenses paid for trips. They paid for buwaytress to go to the Club World Cup, flights, hotels & tickets in Qatar (I know this because I nearly won that fucking comp:D).
Seriously they rake in so much money yet some of you are even thinking this could be legit, fucking LOL.
I recognise some of the senior posters names in this thread & I’m shocked that a couple of you would take this newbie's word over an established bookie like sportsbet.io
There’s always fucking noob scammers on here trying to ruin the rep of good casinos.
Seriously they rake in so much money yet some of you are even thinking this could be legit, fucking LOL.
I recognise some of the senior posters names in this thread & I’m shocked that a couple of you would take this newbie's word over an established bookie like sportsbet.io
There’s always fucking noob scammers on here trying to ruin the rep of good casinos.
0.373 btc is my balance after my account was disabled: https://ibb.co/c2QQZbh
The links are my deposits. I can post here all of my sportbets that were made (won and lost), minus two withdrawals before account was disabled, this will equal to 0.373btc.
I will suggest you to send them a PM including your topic link. You have already described all from your side and i wish they will give their explanation here soon. Till then keep patience. The links are my deposits. I can post here all of my sportbets that were made (won and lost), minus two withdrawals before account was disabled, this will equal to 0.373btc.
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