Topic: [SCAM] Sportsbet.io (Withholding funds) - page 3. (Read 4684 times)

I think the issue of alleged multi-accounting is a red herring. Before the issue of possible multi-accounting is addressed, SB needs to articulate how specifically they were harmed by the OP using multiple accounts. They also need to disclose the total deposits, and the total withdrawals they will allow across all of the accounts they are alleging to belong to the OP.

Without the disclosure of the above information, the OP having multiple accounts does not matter, and I would view the situation as SB using a technalicity to arbitrarily confescate user winnings, and as such, SB would be a high risk to trade with.

I reviewed SB's trust page and found this:
The above is SB saying they decided to ask to verify a customer's KYC due to possible future double spending aginst them. They specifically did not say that their customer even attempted to double spend any of their deposits, but rather that they believed their customer would attempt to double spend a deposit in the future. They ended up confiscating 6.5 BTC (~$50k at the time). I think it is important to note, they did not KYC verify their customer as soon as they discovered the "suspicious" behavior, but rather started KYC verification after their customer was up ~12 BTC.

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Being a "high risk shithead" is not the same as being "high-risk in trading".

If someone offers to mediate a dispute, and the mediation is unable to offer an explanation that is satisfactory to observers, there is no reason why an observer should be obligated to accept the outcome of said mediation. This is even true for the OP, unless he has explicitly agreed the outcome of the mediation is binding, which I have not seen evidence of. It is not uncommon for parties involved in a dispute to engage in non-binding mediation to try to resolve disputes; sometimes it is successful, but oftentimes it is not.

From what I read a list of all participants was not made public.

Having said that I find it extremely peculiar that this type of review/mediation/arbitration is even going on.

Does anybody know of anything like this ever happening before in the forum where a company worth multi-millions of USD$ engaged so deeply with some users to examine various bits of information (without giving away their trade security secrets) to show the alleged victim is actually in breach of their ToS?

It seems the OP (who is the alleged victim) is basically willing to share his KYC and various other information himself because if Sportsbet do it they are in breach of GDPR and various other data protection legislation so could open themselves up for legal action. Part of the claim by Sportsbet is that the OP failed to pass KYC and part of the claim by Sportsbet is the OP had multiple accounts but on both counts they failed to disclose what the reasons for them coming those conclusions were.

Regarding the multiple accounts, Sportsbet claim they applied more of a robust system than just to check the same IP address but for obvious reasons cannot disclose their techniques otherwise fraudsters and scammers will be lining up to sign up and take advantage.

In this post I gave my reasons for not supporting any of the 3 flags against Sportsbet: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.54893685

Can I ask for the list of users who are involved in this review process?

Red trust is for users who are high-risk in trading. Someone continuing to escalate a dispute after binding mediation - high-risk shithead IMO.

Then why did u support the flag ?
Stop being a Hypocrite. Every forum member has their right to support or oppose according to their opinions.
You did the same, yet u call out others for exercising their right. Insane

I thought red notes were only for bad trading experiences?

Just to set the expectations clearly:

I'm not as nice as Royse777. Since both neymarjr12 and Sportsbet.io agreed to mediation this dispute is essentially resolved once the mediation concludes, one way or another. So anyone still fanning the flames will probably get a nice red note. Don't be that person.

I see two newbies are out to make comments about you.. it would probably be more fun if they did not hide behind sock-puppets but at least the forum allows those losers to get some of happiness  

He is doing good too. It's very hard for us to find a conclusion yet, but we are trying our best. I would be fun if you were with us and it seems this will surly take more time.

Thanks for the good words and this reminds me some pastime between us too :-D

Cheers,

I agree with AjdinS, LFC just seems to very ignorant.

As soon as the case is resolved I will remove my support for the flags.

How is neymarjr doin? :p

Sorry I had to leave all the fun to you guys. I thought we would go through this much quicker. The moment I realized this would take more than a day (as suchmoon stated multiple days, 4? 5?) I was done. Anyway I especially trust royse777's judgement. You don't need me when he is there.

Shut the fuck up

Thanks for the words. My take is that none of us has bad intension, we speak that we believe and I think it's fine as long as this is not too much harming anyone.

Regarding the topic, please do not expect me to do the same for every thread pops up in the forum. With this case it's just co-incidence but nothing, that does not mean that I do not want to spend much time in the forum affair. I do and I love to but I have my own life too.

I just have a quick look and I see Steve is already taking care of the case (if I am not wrong) and I am sure this will end good. I would like to remind you again that so far we have found Steve is very fair and open with us and not trying to hide anything from us.

Again thanks for your input.

Are you going to do the same thing with this 2nd case?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/confiscated-balance-at-sportsbetio-5265366

Whatever you do - at least thank you for being a reasonable voice here who actually does sound reasonable, fair and honest unlike some other forum members here which I honestly don't appreciate and don't care if they've been here for years - honesty for me goes all the way from bottom to top without compromises.

For the record the +5 merit for telling this Monday thing :-P

LFC_Bitcoin is mad at me, so I think anything about him from me will offend him, so I stay without comment here :-D

I am starting to hate all these lately but a man gotta do that a man do.

I can assure that SB are fair in their moves so far. Sorry I can not talk much right now about it but I can not accept that SB is doing shady. This is very wrong impression that you have on them.

As suchmoon said, please wait few days until we come up with some conclusion. Please do not make mess around.

Speak on your behalf.

And maybe this case would be over, but whatever sportsbet.io is doing is shady as hell, I wouldn't trust them even if this case gets resolved.

But of course you trolls trolling your "opinions" here is a good thing LOL.

Take a break, come back Monday, it will be over by then.

I agree.
The investigation needs to be unbiased and fair, and the fact LFC is expressing his trust and opinion before the investigation is concluded is not a good thing.

New positive trust is given to sportsbet.io by LFC .. this is really bad when an accusation is going on don't add new trust please until solved.

I have no problem in making my involvment public either.

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Edit:

We are reviewing the evidence provided from SP (no personal customer information has been disclosed) for the last 5-6 hours to fully understand both SP and neymar's position.

As of now we are still trying to come to an agreement on basic points within the group and working towards a proposal we will communicate to SP & Neymar.

We will keep on it tomorrow and are targetting to get this done by saturday at the latest (our analysis).


Anyway I salute SP's effort to act transparently here. We will do our best to do the same within the limits of SP's and Neymar's requests.