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Topic: Schumer: It’s time to go after the 3-D printable guns - page 5. (Read 4397 times)

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Schumer may make access to bat caves very difficult by putting a TSA agent next to them.

You can make potassium nitrate at home, if you are willing to work with the guano of other species....

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Damn cat! Get back in your bag!  Angry

Good luck controlling an idea. This is here to stay forever. Now lets talk non-printable parts. Someone mentioned gunpowder?
Find a cave that has or has had bat colonies. You will see large guano piles in such a cave, and all around the edges of the guano pile you will see that Potassium nitrate has precipitated. It is also called saltpeter and it is a white powder/crystal. Collect it.

Next you will need to make some charcoal. Build a reduction fire in a pit you have dug and fill it with hardwood chunks. Light it and cover with grass to smother it a bit. When you are done you will have charcoal.

Next you need some sulfur.   Sulfur is the 16th. most common element. You can find it in nature if you live near a volcano, or buy it at the pharmacy.

Weigh out 75% potassium nitrate, 15%Charcoal, and 10% sulfur.

Mill the charcoal and sulfur for several hours until a fine powder is achieved.  Now add the potassium nitrate and mill for another two days.

You now have meal powder / black powder. It is crappy gunpowder, but it will work.

Schumer may make access to bat caves very difficult by putting a TSA agent next to them.
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They'd have to prove that the files themselves are evidence of harm caused. CP is photographic proof of abuse, these are just cad designs.

One interesting thing that's not been mentioned about the 3d gun revolution.  Historically, legal or illegal, guns have been hoarded.  Old men have buried them in the yards in case their kids might need to dig them up decades hence.  And totalitarian societies, prior to their worse abuses of human rights, strove to take all the guns away.

But how does that change if ten million guns could appear from ten million homes overnight?

Looks like a massive empowerment of the individual versus the state.  Granted, one might still want weapons around if one feared the late night break in, the crazy gang going down the street shooting and raping, and so forth.  But versus the state, a 3d printer in every home would exactly equal guns in every home.

That is the stated purpose of DEFCAD.
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They'd have to prove that the files themselves are evidence of harm caused. CP is photographic proof of abuse, these are just cad designs.

One interesting thing that's not been mentioned about the 3d gun revolution.  Historically, legal or illegal, guns have been hoarded.  Old men have buried them in the yards in case their kids might need to dig them up decades hence.  And totalitarian societies, prior to their worse abuses of human rights, strove to take all the guns away.

But how does that change if ten million guns could appear from ten million homes overnight?

Looks like a massive empowerment of the individual versus the state.  Granted, one might still want weapons around if one feared the late night break in, the crazy gang going down the street shooting and raping, and so forth.  But versus the state, a 3d printer in every home would exactly equal guns in every home.

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You now have meal powder / black powder. It is crappy gunpowder, but it will work.
Smokes like a bitch when it goes off, too. Nitrocellulose is a little more difficult (and dangerous!) to make, but it's a much better product.

Both, as I said, can be touched off with a small electrical spark.
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The revolution will be monetized!
Damn cat! Get back in your bag!  Angry

Good luck controlling an idea. This is here to stay forever. Now lets talk non-printable parts. Someone mentioned gunpowder?
Find a cave that has or has had bat colonies. You will see large guano piles in such a cave, and all around the edges of the guano pile you will see that Potassium nitrate has precipitated. It is also called saltpeter and it is a white powder/crystal. Collect it.

Next you will need to make some charcoal. Build a reduction fire in a pit you have dug and fill it with hardwood chunks. Light it and cover with grass to smother it a bit. When you are done you will have charcoal.

Next you need some sulfur.   Sulfur is the 16th. most common element. You can find it in nature if you live near a volcano, or buy it at the pharmacy.

Weigh out 75% potassium nitrate, 15%Charcoal, and 10% sulfur.

Mill the charcoal and sulfur for several hours until a fine powder is achieved.  Now add the potassium nitrate and mill for another two days.

You now have meal powder / black powder. It is crappy gunpowder, but it will work.
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Once the files get listed on TPB, it's pretty much going to stick around forever.  The only thing politicians can really do is stall the inevitable by giving 3D printer manufacturers such a hard time that they can't really sell to the common folk; not for a while anyway.

Someone I was talking to sayd, "But, what if they ban the actual files, like they did with CP?"
They'd have to prove that the files themselves are evidence of harm caused. CP is photographic proof of abuse, these are just cad designs.
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Once the files get listed on TPB, it's pretty much going to stick around forever.  The only thing politicians can really do is stall the inevitable by giving 3D printer manufacturers such a hard time that they can't really sell to the common folk; not for a while anyway.

Someone I was talking to said, "But, what if they ban the actual files, like they did with CP?"
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Once the files get listed on TPB, it's pretty much going to stick around forever.  The only thing politicians can really do is stall the inevitable by giving 3D printer manufacturers such a hard time that they can't really sell to the common folk; not for a while anyway.
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it printed a compression spring??

They used a wind-up type (looks like @ with many more loops)
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Ah, sorry.
The technology won't be banned. I mean, even dumb politicians can see the amount of good uses these printers can have. At most, they'll try to control/regulate it in order to forbid the printing of certain contents, pretty much as filesharing indeed (which is not banned, they just attempt to ban particular files). They'd fail, as you noted.
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as this technology progresses it will be covered more and more by the media. they'll use fear tactics to promote regulation on it and then eventually (after a major crime is committed with a printed weapon) they'll probably use it as an excuse to ban the technology (atleast for non-corporate use).

Good luck enforcing that ban.  Cheesy

Unfortunately it's easier to enforce it than you might think. The reason being that as soon as you use an illegal gun - even for self-defense - you might face jail time.
Not the gun, the printing technology. It will be almost as hard to suppress as filesharing.
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as this technology progresses it will be covered more and more by the media. they'll use fear tactics to promote regulation on it and then eventually (after a major crime is committed with a printed weapon) they'll probably use it as an excuse to ban the technology (atleast for non-corporate use).

Good luck enforcing that ban.  Cheesy

Unfortunately it's easier to enforce it than you might think. The reason being that as soon as you use an illegal gun - even for self-defense - you might face jail time.

I grew up in Brazil. It's a violent place. Owning a gun legally is very difficult. Buying one illegally is easier. Even though, I never attempted to buy one, and probably never would. Most burglars are only after your money, and if you surrender it, they don't kill nor hurt you. On the other hand, if you use your illegal gun for protection and end up with a dead body on your living room, you might go to jail. Even disregarding the psychological weight of knowing you took somebody's life, I'd say it's wiser to just give your money than face jail just to save it.

Anyway. I hope 3D-printable guns kill for once the wrong idea that gun prohibition can reduce the number of guns available to criminals. And I hope that changes the mind of enough anti-gun people, and legal gun ownership becomes easier around the globe. Because otherwise, I'm not sure how would they help. Most honest people who can't have legal guns would likely be afraid to print their own. And those who already can don't need to bother, conventional guns will remain much better for a long time.
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wow. it seems they can.

I stand corrected. (said the man with the orthopaedic shoes)
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it printed a compression spring??
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Obviously the 3D printer is unable to produce the complex parts of a handgun... Clearly it can't just print gunpowder for you, or a mechanical part such as a spring... it can only print the 'static' parts like the outer casing, handle, barrel etc.

This one printed everything but the bullet and the firing pin (they used a nail). So all the complex mechanical parts, including the spring.
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I don't really get the big fuss about the printed gun that's been doing the rounds on news websites lately...

Obviously the 3D printer is unable to produce the complex parts of a handgun... Clearly it can't just print gunpowder for you, or a mechanical part such as a spring... it can only print the 'static' parts like the outer casing, handle, barrel etc.

In that sense, we have always been able to make a home-made gun - all the 3d printer has achieved is to speed up / automate that process..

But 3D-printer or not, with a little bit of material (sheet metal, balsa wood, fibreglass, plastic or wateva) some basic tools and a whole lot of dedication, one could always produce the static 'chassis' that makes up a handgun.
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Back in Soviet Union, all typewriters were registered and tracked by the government, and it was illegal to own one. You had to borrow one from the state. This was done to prevent any illegal publications, such as copies of banned books or underground newspapers.
Just saying...
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....if it keeps advancing at its current rate, it's entirely possible that a 3d printer could become a household item and revolutionize how we buy products.

who knows what the future will hold, but its a technology with so much potential. i'd hate to have its advancement stopped by something as silly as big brother protection.
more likely attempts to ban will simply increase exposure and awareness of the printers, and everyone will have to buy one.  Just like the recent explosion of sales in assault rifles when the pols started screaming about banning them.

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