Topic: Scientific proof that God exists? - page 181. (Read 845650 times)

While it has been tried several times, pure science and faith can hardly go together, if not totally impossible. The idea of a god is conceived out of humans' belief that something out there is more powerful than anyone and everything else in the entire universe, and that something must be god. But this is basically due to the fact that the human mind is too finite and limited as to understand everything in this vast world. Modern discoveries gradually enlighten us of the real score of things within the universe, thereby slowly debunking some old claims attributing some phenomena to that which we call god.

However, in the end, the finite mind of man cannot simply fathom the entire mystery and existence of everything in this world, much more in the universe, such that there will always be a leap of faith. And insofar as faith of a god is talked about, it simply goes beyond science and its empirical system.   

If you are unwilling to accept the truth, that's your problem. The biggest issue is that you never provided any evidence of the identity of ''the creator''. If everything you said was true you never proved that God did it, you just assumed it, it doesn't even have to be a god, it could very easily be aliens and even if there was a god you also don't have proof of why he is the christian god and not any of the others.

Episode 16 came as fast as we expected since our retard decided to answer. This one is short as well. Notice the error? Again we have two possibilities, he was either lying or he is really that stupid. Although last time he accused Astargath of never reading his links and I said that he did since he has just rebutted those links, he know admits that happened but he does not see the rebuttal as being valid. Now, of course we don't give a flying fuck about what he believes is valid (I mean, the guy is delusional, he believes in many stupid stuff) but the problem lies in the understanding that Astargath did read those links. He already knew that, so why bother to accuse him of not reading them. If he did not already knew that, he is completely retarded. Moreover, if he did not understand what I said in my last post, if he could not understand the simple subject of a phrase, imagine what this belligerent idiot understands of science.
P.S. Fun fact: our retarded monkey, Badecker, actually asks for rebuttal to the scientific laws that exist. Basically, he says 'if this world does exist, than that means God exists. If you can prove the world does not exist, than you can disprove God'. That is what his proof actually pretends and that is how stupid and infantile it is...just in case anyone wants to try and rebut his ideas again. He won't accept anything, truth is his worst enemy. Stay tuned for episode 17, this one will come slower in m opinion since our retard will take a day off to make a strategy of coming up with an answer that puts him in a good light and makes us look 'baaaaad' but without showing off too much. Ahoy!

Notice how stats can't bring any rebuttal to the proof that God exists, but he finds it easy to attempt defamation of BADecker.

Astargath never rebutted anything except the things that he wrote, through circular references and all kinds of non-proof.

The fact that HWW, a religious guy, accepts Astargath's stuff as rebuttal, shows that Astargath said nothing in the form of rebuttal.

So far, there hasn't been a rebuttal to the scientific laws and principles that prove God exists. The closest that there has been is talk that there has been rebuttal.

Perfect example of how BADecker ignores the truth and pushes his own agenda. He cant argue a single point without making assumptions or completely ignoring facts.

Mr T says it best: "I pity the fool"

Really quick Episode 15 from our famous retard, Badecker. Here we can observe how superficial he actually is and also how stupid he gets day by day. Astargath told him how his affirmations are contradictory regarding cause and effect and asked him if he is losing his memory. The poor idiot responds by saying he meant something else and accusing Astargath of never checking out his links in order to remember them in the first place. Three or four pages earlier, Astargath did a step by step rebuttal of those exact links to which the retard, Badecker, responded. Need anything more to say? Let's just calmly wait for Badecker's reply in order to have an episode 16 of the proof of how supernatural Badecker's stupidity is. Remember kids, don't do drugs or religion. You might end up a retard like Badecker.

I said that cause and effect combined with universal entropy combined with complex universe prove God.

You aren't losing your memory on this. Why not? You never checked it out to remember it in the first place. Check it out:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16803380

You said yourself that cause and effect alone can't prove God, are you losing your memory? Why do you even comeback to this thread where all your crazy ideas have been debunked already. You come here just to say the same thing now, God did it. Save yourself the trouble, you are not convincing anyone, at this point it seems like you are trying to convince yourself.

Completely I agree with you!!!!

Let us learn something. Not only that man has evolved, but his system of thinking has evolved and it is still evolving. Whatever discoveries we've made, our greatest ideas have always came out of a 'cold thinking', which means detaching from what you find more likely to believe in and really measure the situation. Religious people, let's take Badecker for instance, automatically start from the conclusion that God exists. They never start from 0 thus their reasoning on this subject is corrupted from the beginning by their very own mind and system of belief. Let's observe something: a question that many religious ask atheists is 'If God would come and reveal himself, and you would see it with your own eyes, would you believe in him?' and of course most atheists say 'yes, but I find that very highly improbable'. However, religious people have many evidence in their face yet they do not believe in it, because of being biased, of course. They don't believe in evolution, although they could see it with their very own eyes, they don;t believe in a Big Bang, although they could see the traces of it with their very own eyes, etc. But why would our brain have these fallacies? Why is our brain learning and slowly evolving instead of getting all of the information from the beginning in a perfect system? Why do our 'divine' feelings are the same as the effects of many drugs? Could that not be another fallacy of the brain, a fail in the system? Of course it could be and it is not alone. Now, an intelligent design would not have these errors, not so many, not so diverse, not some that appear in different times. A random happening, on the other hand, could cause such diversity, such a beautiful happening as the human being is with such big flaws, errors. What was the cause for this Universe? A Big Bang, whether apologists like it or not. What was the cause of that Big Bang? We don't know, neither us, nor the apologists. Nobody knows and it will not be an easy answer. In this situation, believing God was the cause of the Big Bang is a fallacy in the system. It's the same as hearing about a death scene, knowing only it might be suicide and without any reason or further information calling it a crime and pointing to a killer that might exist or might have been made up at the moment.
P.S. we're not going to do episode 15 of Badecker because all he said is something about Dawkins and I'm not gonna get my hands dirty today with a piece of shit like Badecker. I'll let him post some more so I can give him a good blow on the empty head.

Cause and effect show us that God is the only way this universe could happen. Dawkins is becoming a delusion the more he writes crap like this.

The extraordinary evidence (in favor of parapsychology and survival) has already been provided. I also linked to some examples where this evidence was deliberately ignored by skeptics. Since that information is in the link above, I am including it in our conversation by way of reference; surely you have the ability to read through an essay on the topic of skeptical misdirection because it clearly relates to our discussion about parapsychology.

Psychics and telekinesis were tested by the CIA and other spy agencies and on camera by psychologists.

I have posted a lot of other extraordinary evidence, yet skeptics insist there is no reliable evidence. Why keep up the charade? Skeptics should just come out and say what is so unreliable about the tests done to prove telekinesis.

Sources:
On-Camera test: http://eegym.com/can-eeg-tell-if-telekinesis-is-a-magicians-trick-2/
Test by the United States CIA: https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/66xy95/zhang_baosheng_confirmed_cia_psychic_ability_to/

Very good choice, a truly masterpiece. 'The selfish gene' is also a good read.

I advise to read the book"The God Delusion; 2006 ,Book by Richard Dawkins"

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.19357376
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.19350390

Debunked and proven false there. Anyone who reads these links will understand that badecker hasn't proved at all God. Do not get brainwashed by religion people.

For the last time, humanism does not claim that categorically souls do not exist. Humanism considers there is no reason to believe it since the proof is very little, to nothing, and the possibility is the same so it centers its attention on something that it is more important: the human being, the one that really exists, something that we know for sure, a species that was also once on the verge of extinction, a species that we are part of. Science has worked until now, at this moment we communicate with its help, not through telekinesis, not through a miracle or any divine being. We can understand it, it is real and it helps us human beings to communicate. Proving the soul exists would not change that, it would not prove God exists and we should venerate him instead of taking care of us. We would only know that the soul exists and it might survive our death. Why? That would be left out to further research. But for now, we don't have the evidenced proof that the 'soul' exists.

Anybody who researches the info in these links...
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16803380,
and thinks about what he has researched, will understand that not only does God exist, but, also, the only way the universe and life can exist is through God creating/making it all.

I took what out of what context? Speak to me, explain, come up with arguments, enough with the links already. If you are not able to speak to me and you always need to give me links with what others think that us 'skeptics' are wrong about, then you do not understand anything of it. More than that, I can't understand what you are talking about because you solely posted a link. If you want to answer to what I have said, talk about that, you have it there, you can analyze it and tell me what do you believe is wrong and why. In that way, we can have a proper conversation. Otherwise it will be the same as it is with Badecker, everyone trying to have a conversation and a monkey saying anything that crosses his mind. Let's keep this simple and efficient.

Actually you took this out of context, horace. Skeptics use often use a double standard, that is their fallacy:

https://sites.google.com/site/chs4o8pt/skeptical_misdirection#skeptical_misdirection_double_standard

The other common tactic is known as Misrepresenting The Scientific Evidence.