Topic: Scientific proof that God exists? - page 176. (Read 845809 times)

Nope, stop it. Science doesn't prove any god at all. You haven't shown a single piece of evidence pointing to a specific god. Complexity? How does complexity point to your specific god? You have to define what god means which you haven't. You always talk about the god from the bible because thats your belief, a belief based on faith, not science.

The evidence is the complexity. Stuff doesn't become complex without a more complex precursor. Entropy shows this. The complexity of the universe is so extremely great that the term "God" fits Whatever made the universe.


Religions are usually misguided in their understanding of God. Choose the real God, the one that science proves through cause and effect, entropy, and complexity. Then find the religion that most correctly matches the real God. Then study that religion to find the things about God that science is too weak to find out.


That we know, only the things of the universe are cause and effect things. In fact, we can barely conceive of anything that would be outside of the universe at all. Nothing random has ever been proven. But, God, being outside of the universe (at least in part) may have randomness within Himself. We just don't know through scientific observation, because science can barely observe things in this universe, but hasn't found a way to observe anything outside of the universe.



The point is that through scientific observation, we know very little about the characteristics of God. Many religions have elements of truth regarding the characteristics of God, because the religious info has been passed down or written down from the beginning. Science has a long way to go to find out as much about God as religion has found out about Him.

Science is going in the wrong direction. Used to be that science searched for truth, and only accepted it as truth when it was proven. Now science accepts as truth the unproven big bang, and an unproven 13 to 14 billion year old universe, when religion shows us that the universe is less than 6,200 years old. Science is going the wrong way, and will ultimately fail if it doesn't change.

Let's get back to real science, both in this thread, and in scientific observation. Real science proves God exists. The proof is found through combining the basic scientific facts/laws/principles of cause and effect, entropy, and complexity. These could not exist together as they do in the universe without God, Whatever He may be.

The evidence is sufficient to show that this material Universe needs a non-material cause. That non-material Cause is God because...?? Yet again a stupid christian webpage claiming that God did it without not one single shred of evidence. Look I can do it too.

The evidence is sufficient to show that this material Universe needs a non-material cause. That non-material Cause is the (Pick any God from any religion you want)

If there is to be a deity that is the exception from the requirement that all existing things need a cause then the same exception can be made for the sum of all energy that exists, considering that it manifests in different forms.
Further, even if a person wanted to accept that there was such a being there is nothing at all in the cosmological argument to indicate that the being would have any of the properties of humans that are projected into the concept of the deity of  any particular religion.  The first mover or first cause is devoid of any other characteristic.

God exists. Scientists have always known this. From Apologetics Press:

Read more at https://apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=9&article=879.

Before the BB, scientists more or less accepted science law and principle as fact. Since the BB, scientists often accept the unknown as fact. The only BB that exists is in the minds of some scientists and their followeres - religion.

Stop the nonsense.


Many things might be happening. The purpose of science is to find out what is happeniong and what is not. Cause and effect is real. BB is very far fetched.



What is a "zombie Jew day dream?" I pretty much believe in the Osiris myth as the myth that it is. Why do you believe in the BB myth? At least Osiris was probably a living, breathing person at one time. BB is so silly that if anyone decided to find the flaws in it, it would crumble easily.

ofcourse there is god and he is the one god that we praise! scientist also believe in god tho

Science hasn't proven God and no matter how many times you post it, it's still gonna be false.  Cause and effect almost does nothing because you don't know what it points to, could be a god, could be aliens, could be a simulation, etc etc.

Badecker: Scientifically speaking, I don't know what the Creator really is.

You are still ignoring the rest of the stuff we know very little about. Are you trying to make "gravity" the topic?

Science has proven God. Cause and effect almost do the job by itself. However there is no way to prove what God is made out of. There is a distinction there.

Why did I pick it? You mentioned it, you said consider gravity wtf. You are going full retard now. Science hasn't proved God, you don't read about god in any scientific book of any sort. Then again, you said there is no way to prove God, now you say science has proven god, contradictions of a deluded person.

Did you miss the part about the fact that there are loads of things that are readily known without knowing much about their substance and operation? Why do you pick on gravity? Oh, of course. You want to distract from the scientific proof for God in any way that you can.

I don't have to prove that God exists. Science has already done this.

You are testing God right now with your non-scientific denial of His existence. He's pretty strong to be able to put up with your nonsense and not destroy you for it. Great test. Stop testing Him, and become one of His children instead.

Gravity is not a person and its also well described, you havent described god nor explained what it is, the only thing you said is that he created everything. Then again you also said you cant prove he exists and now you are back to your original post which you debunked by saying you cant prove god. Cognitive dissonance, search it.

Also you can test gravity, make experiments, math and it works. You can't do any of that with your god.

And your point?

Consider gravity. We know it exists. We feel it. It acts on everything around us. But nobody knows what it is. Even science theory isn't sure. There are loads of things like this in nature and the universe. We know they exist, but we don't really know what they are.

Just because we don't know what God is made out of, or just because we don't know if we can even understand the "stuff" He is made of, doesn't mean that He doesn't exist.

Rather than look at the fact that God exists, you would focus on misinterpreting some language that I said. This proves that you are a troll, at least in this area.

However, I thank you for doing it. Why? Because it gives me the opportunity to again list the websites that point to the proof that God exists:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16803380.

People who honestly want to see that God exists, will have a starting point for researching it. Especially those who are new to the forum.

I will refresh your memory

1.Badecker: Scientifically speaking, I don't know what the Creator really is.
2.Badecker: At the same time, cause and effect, entropy, and complexity point towards that "Something" that we can't fathom, as being the Creator.
3.Badecker: The scientific proof for the existence of God has always stood (read 1)
4.Badecker: Research the basic scientific laws and principles of cause and effect, entropy, and complexity. Then combine them, and show us how they DON'T prove the existence of God. (Read 1 and 2)

Many of us believe absolutely that god exist even though they have proofs but the faith of the people believe that god exist not scientist.

           In my own belief  there is no scientific explaination why god exist. It just that if we have faith then we believe he exist, I can't question anything he creates, the beauty of nature and the existence of man kind. But we find reasons to believe him and even conduct researches and experiments just to prove he exist.

Not at all, it's an endless topic. >.<

Episode 20: 'A bitchslap to heaven'.
There we go folks, the nasty religious attitude, the lack of morals, lying in our faces that he never did something that is there to be seen. He acts as if the post itself is not there and someone lied about him contradicting himself. He calls his categorical contradiction an 'unclear use of the language' or a 'misunderstanding of what was said'. He concludes he did not contradict himself, it's our fault, not his. That is a lie. Anyone here can check out a few pages earlier and see it. That is how delusional religious people have become nowadays. I can understand the use and appearance of religion in primitive times, people did not know any better, they were useless, they needed to call the 'unknown' somehow, in case the unknown gets mad and makes the volcano erupt. But today? It is for sure a mental illness, lying you did not kill the victim while holding its decapitated head in your right arm and a bloody knife in your left arm means you are completely ill. To maintain your idea, the same you have contradicted, after absolutely everyone has rebutted it is also a sign of delusion and illness. To believe you know something in a domain (science is general, scientists are most of the time based in a domain, some are physicists, some are evolutionary biologists, cosmologists, etc), to have the proof and demonstration that you know shit and to still believe you are the best and everyone else should study you, that is again delusional and a sign of a mental illness. Of course, we would have liked if Badecker was indeed that stupid, if he was not mentally ill and just super dumb. But he is ill, he is nuts. When the messenger repeats the same message frantically, you can let him go, he is crazy as fuck. Well, let us all hope he gets his bitchslap to his heaven and someone takes care of him by administering the proper medication.

Hey, man. Thank you for a couple of things. Thank you for thinking that I am important enough that you would focus on me rather than on the scientific proof for the existence of God. And thank you for the admonishment to "save" myself "from more embarrassment." Everyone needs thanks and admonishment now and again.

But you ARE having a bit of a bad day, aren't you? You know how it goes. If you can't destroy the message, "kill the messenger..." if you can.

So, somebody told you that I contradicted myself, eh? In an ongoing talk like this one, there are lots of things said. Some of them might sound like contradictions. But they aren't, necessarily. They might simply be unclear use of the language. Or they might be a misunderstanding of what was said. The point? I didn't contradict myself, even though you or others might have understood it that way.

The more important point? The scientific proof for the existence of God has always stood. Long ago Godly folks went on to other, more important things than sitting around, bantering with a bunch of jokers like you, who are unwilling to learn science.

Research the basic scientific laws and principles of cause and effect, entropy, and complexity. Then combine them, and show us how they DON'T prove the existence of God.

And thanks. You jokers are kinda fun. You are so easy to rebut.

What you said has absolutely nothing to do with what I said. What I said is that you contradicted yourself and said that there is no evidence for God and that you didn't prove god's existence. Now you are just trying to say you didn't say that when it's right here, everyone can read it, save yourself from more embarrassment, it's pointless to keep arguing, you already destroyed yourself, quit being a delusional idiot and use your brain. Do something productive with your life.

Just to show you how stupid your thinking is, consider the human body for example. We know humans exist. We know they have bodies. We have examined their bodies and found out lots of things about their bodies. But even after thousands of years of human life, we still are finding new things about their bodies.

Science proves God exists. Just because we haven't found out a lot of stuff about Him, doesn't mean He doesn't exist. Are you trying to say that people don't exist because we haven't found out everything about them? You jokers are about as backward as they come.