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May 03, 2017, 09:02:10 AM
If the 'GOD' particle exist's, then what more needs to be discussed?
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May 06, 2017, 08:47:59 PM
Very much any information about the fact that people reject God and religion as such. Perhaps atheists have some specific arguments for their opinions, but for some reason they only cling to Christianity. At the same time they avoid Islam. I would like to see that a Muslim will make such a person for such words.
That is because Christianity is the one to claim scientific proof of their bullshit story and when they get rejected with proper arguments, they start acting childish and trying to look good in everybody's eyes so they don't get their little honor hurt. Muslims claim to be the last religion, the true one and then it's all death. There's nothing to argue with them, they attack and people retaliate. They might go extinct in some tens or hundreds of years if they keep it going like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0A_iF1B3k0&index=3&list=PLECD9ACF9D6F1F8FF

Here, this is a really accurate depicting of the 'religious world' that we live in.

great vid...oldie but goodie and never seen that one.   thanx m8
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May 06, 2017, 04:39:24 PM
Science is working to prove the existence of God but not enough and  came up with some facts but not enough to totally prove that there is really one supreme creator. As of now, God cannot be proven or disproven, it's up for one person to believe or not.

Yes, it is working like this. We cannot prove or disprove at all. The faith is matter. Science on the contrary.
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May 06, 2017, 02:31:30 PM
So where is the proof that god exists?
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May 06, 2017, 11:22:35 AM
Bruh, if you think arguing with him isn't worth it, then you should've just ignored his statements in the first place...
This topic has already been talked about so many times that it has become common. There has been billions of debates about this matter also.. and clearly it is never ending. Not until the end itself comes and we can all see for ourselves what really is there beyond life. So for now, let us just agree to disagree to all that is opposing our beliefs.. coz doing otherwise wont do both sides any good.. it just clearly creates more hate and that's just the last thing that this world needs right now.. so let us be a good example and a model as a christian and end this debate that is endless and not worth the debate.. not worth the hate.
just sayin..

First you say that I should argue with him,
then you say that arguing is essentially useless,
then you say that you are just sayin'.

What are you even here for?

Cool
As you can see, hawthelegend, he is either dumb or a douchebag. Don't waste your time, I did and now it's over.

I dont think you understood what I wanted to point out, i mean, was i too deep to understand? I did my best to express myself as simple as i could so my points can be easily understood, but well, it doesnt matter,. We are not enemies, no one is better than the other coz we were all made equal.
Just forgive me if i ever offended you, didn't think that my words were offending anyone..

People can only see what you want to point out by the words you post. See the highlighting above.

This is a forum. The whole idea behind a forum is expressing all kinds of things. Sometimes there is argument. Sometimes there is debate. What is your point? You are welcome to post it. That's what forums are for. Are you really trying to use the forum to state that we shouldn't be using a forum?

Cool

I thought you could understand beyond texts. Clearly, you don't understand the first statement. How on earth did you read the first statement? Why is it that the way you understood the first statement is that i am making you argue with him?? That is exactly the opposite of what i said.
Because if you remember, you said his post is barely even worth looking at, so basing on that statement of yours then i thought you meant that he's posts are not worth to give a fck about. That is why i said what i said. please read it again. Does ignore in your place mean to give attention?? Or to react? I mean i don't understand why you understood my statement that way, but whatever the reason is, I'm sorry that i didn't write it the way that you would find it easier to understand.

Second, yes it somehow is useless in this forum because the debate is going round in circles(and if you cant even see that, then i guess you have a problem with understanding things my friend). My point is, it can be seen by the admins as just an abuse to get more activity, and i myself don't want to have a bad record and also don't want that to happen to others. And that is why i told you.
The convo is becoming longer but the responses are more and more becoming the same as the other.
And if you see my act of kindness as offensive, then again, my bad.

Third. I said just saying because i didn't want you to get the impression that i am raining on your parade or wanted to troll on your posts. Again, i just wanted to give a warning,.

I hope this clears things up for you my friend..

(oh well, sucks to be me, i should just care for myself rather than do the opposite. Its just that i cant help the need to do otherwise. But no worries, this will be the last for you, i learned my lesson.)

Peace out.



I apologise if you had a bad time, mate. I argued specifically with him because of his insult to mankind and his stuborness or, rather said, lack of common sense in understanding that what he considers proof is merely a bad interpretation of natural laws. I, for one, am not here for activity ranks but I do understand what admins might make out of this. Have a good day and thank you for your patience.
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May 06, 2017, 11:00:24 AM
Bruh, if you think arguing with him isn't worth it, then you should've just ignored his statements in the first place...
This topic has already been talked about so many times that it has become common. There has been billions of debates about this matter also.. and clearly it is never ending. Not until the end itself comes and we can all see for ourselves what really is there beyond life. So for now, let us just agree to disagree to all that is opposing our beliefs.. coz doing otherwise wont do both sides any good.. it just clearly creates more hate and that's just the last thing that this world needs right now.. so let us be a good example and a model as a christian and end this debate that is endless and not worth the debate.. not worth the hate.
just sayin..

First you say that I should argue with him,
then you say that arguing is essentially useless,
then you say that you are just sayin'.

What are you even here for?

Cool
As you can see, hawthelegend, he is either dumb or a douchebag. Don't waste your time, I did and now it's over.

I dont think you understood what I wanted to point out, i mean, was i too deep to understand? I did my best to express myself as simple as i could so my points can be easily understood, but well, it doesnt matter,. We are not enemies, no one is better than the other coz we were all made equal.
Just forgive me if i ever offended you, didn't think that my words were offending anyone..

People can only see what you want to point out by the words you post. See the highlighting above.

This is a forum. The whole idea behind a forum is expressing all kinds of things. Sometimes there is argument. Sometimes there is debate. What is your point? You are welcome to post it. That's what forums are for. Are you really trying to use the forum to state that we shouldn't be using a forum?

Cool

I thought you could understand beyond texts. Clearly, you don't understand the first statement. How on earth did you read the first statement? Why is it that the way you understood the first statement is that i am making you argue with him?? That is exactly the opposite of what i said.
Because if you remember, you said his post is barely even worth looking at, so basing on that statement of yours then i thought you meant that he's posts are not worth to give a fck about. That is why i said what i said. please read it again. Does ignore in your place mean to give attention?? Or to react? I mean i don't understand why you understood my statement that way, but whatever the reason is, I'm sorry that i didn't write it the way that you would find it easier to understand.

Second, yes it somehow is useless in this forum because the debate is going round in circles(and if you cant even see that, then i guess you have a problem with understanding things my friend). My point is, it can be seen by the admins as just an abuse to get more activity, and i myself don't want to have a bad record and also don't want that to happen to others. And that is why i told you.
The convo is becoming longer but the responses are more and more becoming the same as the other.
And if you see my act of kindness as offensive, then again, my bad.

Third. I said just saying because i didn't want you to get the impression that i am raining on your parade or wanted to troll on your posts. Again, i just wanted to give a warning,.

I hope this clears things up for you my friend..

(oh well, sucks to be me, i should just care for myself rather than do the opposite. Its just that i cant help the need to do otherwise. But no worries, this will be the last for you, i learned my lesson.)

Peace out.

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May 06, 2017, 10:05:15 AM
Very much any information about the fact that people reject God and religion as such. Perhaps atheists have some specific arguments for their opinions, but for some reason they only cling to Christianity. At the same time they avoid Islam. I would like to see that a Muslim will make such a person for such words.
That is because Christianity is the one to claim scientific proof of their bullshit story and when they get rejected with proper arguments, they start acting childish and trying to look good in everybody's eyes so they don't get their little honor hurt. Muslims claim to be the last religion, the true one and then it's all death. There's nothing to argue with them, they attack and people retaliate. They might go extinct in some tens or hundreds of years if they keep it going like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0A_iF1B3k0&index=3&list=PLECD9ACF9D6F1F8FF

Here, this is a really accurate depicting of the 'religious world' that we live in.
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May 06, 2017, 09:59:39 AM
Very much any information about the fact that people reject God and religion as such. Perhaps atheists have some specific arguments for their opinions, but for some reason they only cling to Christianity. At the same time they avoid Islam. I would like to see that a Muslim will make such a person for such words.

Because Muslims are too aggressive and they will brutally kill all atheists who deny their faith. For God, only faith is needed, and religion in the modern world is simply not needed.
It is very difficult to say something in the religion of Muslims and what their God says. Although I always believed that God is one, only every religion is looking for its own way to it. So they are so different.
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May 06, 2017, 09:57:18 AM
Bruh, if you think arguing with him isn't worth it, then you should've just ignored his statements in the first place...
This topic has already been talked about so many times that it has become common. There has been billions of debates about this matter also.. and clearly it is never ending. Not until the end itself comes and we can all see for ourselves what really is there beyond life. So for now, let us just agree to disagree to all that is opposing our beliefs.. coz doing otherwise wont do both sides any good.. it just clearly creates more hate and that's just the last thing that this world needs right now.. so let us be a good example and a model as a christian and end this debate that is endless and not worth the debate.. not worth the hate.
just sayin..

First you say that I should argue with him,
then you say that arguing is essentially useless,
then you say that you are just sayin'.

What are you even here for?

Cool
As you can see, hawthelegend, he is either dumb or a douchebag. Don't waste your time, I did and now it's over.

I dont think you understood what I wanted to point out, i mean, was i too deep to understand? I did my best to express myself as simple as i could so my points can be easily understood, but well, it doesnt matter,. We are not enemies, no one is better than the other coz we were all made equal.
Just forgive me if i ever offended you, didn't think that my words were offending anyone..

People can only see what you want to point out by the words you post. See the highlighting above.

This is a forum. The whole idea behind a forum is expressing all kinds of things. Sometimes there is argument. Sometimes there is debate. What is your point? You are welcome to post it. That's what forums are for. Are you really trying to use the forum to state that we shouldn't be using a forum?

Cool
Alright, so you are both a cunt and a retard. The yellow highlight translation: You should not have argued with him if you think he was not worth it = you shouldn't argue.
Wow! I thought the way you talk was simply your perverted form of language. Now you are telling me that you are not worth it even though I thought you were? You would contradict me so fiercely that you would state that you are not worth it as a human being?

God thought you were worth it. He sent Jesus to die on the cross to take the punishment for your sins. Was he wrong to think that you are worth it? No! You are wrong to think you are NOT worth it.


The pink highlight: arguing on this topic is useless.
Exactly what I said. But I still think you are worth it. When I don't find you in Heaven with the other saved people, then I will KNOW you are not worth it.


The green highlight: just sayin = you criticised someone for saying 'just saying', cunt.
You criticize someone for asking what the point of sayin' "just sayin'" is? Have you completely forgotten that this is a forum?


Now stop talking to me, you lost your right in my eyes.
You know where the "ignore" button is, don't you? If you don't, simply ask, and lots of people in the forum will tell you.


You also lost the argument with God and you indirectly declared yourself defeated. I don't talk to apologists that I've already wrecked.
Since you had your beliefs and understandings about all the things we have been discussing long before you started discussing them with me...

and since you claim that you don't argue with those you have wrecked (even though you only talk like you have wrecked someone)...

we haven't been arguing about anything.

After all, in your eyes I was wrecked before we started talking,
just for knowing the things that I know,
because both of us have held our understandings of things long before we started talking here,
and you state you don't talk with wrecked people,
(of course, here you are talking with me who you consider wrecked),
so we haven't been arguing,
and since we haven't been arguing,
there is no way you could have wrecked me in a forum,
so you prove by your own words that you don't think you are worth it,
by contradicting yourself.



P.S.: Hawthelegend, I was calling Badecker dumb or a douchebag, not you.

God is my protection. He vindicates me under all circumstances.

Cool
Can somebody take this retard out of his misery?
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May 06, 2017, 08:57:58 AM
Very much any information about the fact that people reject God and religion as such. Perhaps atheists have some specific arguments for their opinions, but for some reason they only cling to Christianity. At the same time they avoid Islam. I would like to see that a Muslim will make such a person for such words.

Because Muslims are too aggressive and they will brutally kill all atheists who deny their faith. For God, only faith is needed, and religion in the modern world is simply not needed.
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May 06, 2017, 07:48:33 AM
Very much any information about the fact that people reject God and religion as such. Perhaps atheists have some specific arguments for their opinions, but for some reason they only cling to Christianity. At the same time they avoid Islam. I would like to see that a Muslim will make such a person for such words.
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May 06, 2017, 07:34:09 AM
Bruh, if you think arguing with him isn't worth it, then you should've just ignored his statements in the first place...
This topic has already been talked about so many times that it has become common. There has been billions of debates about this matter also.. and clearly it is never ending. Not until the end itself comes and we can all see for ourselves what really is there beyond life. So for now, let us just agree to disagree to all that is opposing our beliefs.. coz doing otherwise wont do both sides any good.. it just clearly creates more hate and that's just the last thing that this world needs right now.. so let us be a good example and a model as a christian and end this debate that is endless and not worth the debate.. not worth the hate.
just sayin..

First you say that I should argue with him,
then you say that arguing is essentially useless,
then you say that you are just sayin'.

What are you even here for?

Cool
As you can see, hawthelegend, he is either dumb or a douchebag. Don't waste your time, I did and now it's over.

I dont think you understood what I wanted to point out, i mean, was i too deep to understand? I did my best to express myself as simple as i could so my points can be easily understood, but well, it doesnt matter,. We are not enemies, no one is better than the other coz we were all made equal.
Just forgive me if i ever offended you, didn't think that my words were offending anyone..

People can only see what you want to point out by the words you post. See the highlighting above.

This is a forum. The whole idea behind a forum is expressing all kinds of things. Sometimes there is argument. Sometimes there is debate. What is your point? You are welcome to post it. That's what forums are for. Are you really trying to use the forum to state that we shouldn't be using a forum?

Cool
Alright, so you are both a cunt and a retard. The yellow highlight translation: You should not have argued with him if you think he was not worth it = you shouldn't argue.
Wow! I thought the way you talk was simply your perverted form of language. Now you are telling me that you are not worth it even though I thought you were? You would contradict me so fiercely that you would state that you are not worth it as a human being?

God thought you were worth it. He sent Jesus to die on the cross to take the punishment for your sins. Was he wrong to think that you are worth it? No! You are wrong to think you are NOT worth it.


The pink highlight: arguing on this topic is useless.
Exactly what I said. But I still think you are worth it. When I don't find you in Heaven with the other saved people, then I will KNOW you are not worth it.


The green highlight: just sayin = you criticised someone for saying 'just saying', cunt.
You criticize someone for asking what the point of sayin' "just sayin'" is? Have you completely forgotten that this is a forum?


Now stop talking to me, you lost your right in my eyes.
You know where the "ignore" button is, don't you? If you don't, simply ask, and lots of people in the forum will tell you.


You also lost the argument with God and you indirectly declared yourself defeated. I don't talk to apologists that I've already wrecked.
Since you had your beliefs and understandings about all the things we have been discussing long before you started discussing them with me...

and since you claim that you don't argue with those you have wrecked (even though you only talk like you have wrecked someone)...

we haven't been arguing about anything.

After all, in your eyes I was wrecked before we started talking,
just for knowing the things that I know,
because both of us have held our understandings of things long before we started talking here,
and you state you don't talk with wrecked people,
(of course, here you are talking with me who you consider wrecked),
so we haven't been arguing,
and since we haven't been arguing,
there is no way you could have wrecked me in a forum,
so you prove by your own words that you don't think you are worth it,
by contradicting yourself.



P.S.: Hawthelegend, I was calling Badecker dumb or a douchebag, not you.

God is my protection. He vindicates me under all circumstances.

Cool
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May 06, 2017, 05:23:19 AM
Bruh, if you think arguing with him isn't worth it, then you should've just ignored his statements in the first place...
This topic has already been talked about so many times that it has become common. There has been billions of debates about this matter also.. and clearly it is never ending. Not until the end itself comes and we can all see for ourselves what really is there beyond life. So for now, let us just agree to disagree to all that is opposing our beliefs.. coz doing otherwise wont do both sides any good.. it just clearly creates more hate and that's just the last thing that this world needs right now.. so let us be a good example and a model as a christian and end this debate that is endless and not worth the debate.. not worth the hate.
just sayin..

First you say that I should argue with him,
then you say that arguing is essentially useless,
then you say that you are just sayin'.

What are you even here for?

Cool
As you can see, hawthelegend, he is either dumb or a douchebag. Don't waste your time, I did and now it's over.

I dont think you understood what I wanted to point out, i mean, was i too deep to understand? I did my best to express myself as simple as i could so my points can be easily understood, but well, it doesnt matter,. We are not enemies, no one is better than the other coz we were all made equal.
Just forgive me if i ever offended you, didn't think that my words were offending anyone..

People can only see what you want to point out by the words you post. See the highlighting above.

This is a forum. The whole idea behind a forum is expressing all kinds of things. Sometimes there is argument. Sometimes there is debate. What is your point? You are welcome to post it. That's what forums are for. Are you really trying to use the forum to state that we shouldn't be using a forum?

Cool
Alright, so you are both a cunt and a retard. The yellow highlight translation: You should not have argued with him if you think he was not worth it = you shouldn't argue. The pink highlight: arguing on this topic is useless. The green highlight: just sayin = you criticised someone for saying 'just saying', cunt. Now stop talking to me, you lost your right in my eyes. You also lost the argument with God and you indirectly declared yourself defeated. I don't talk to apologists that I've already wrecked.

P.S.: Hawthelegend, I was calling Badecker dumb or a douchebag, not you.
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May 06, 2017, 12:58:18 AM
Bruh, if you think arguing with him isn't worth it, then you should've just ignored his statements in the first place...
This topic has already been talked about so many times that it has become common. There has been billions of debates about this matter also.. and clearly it is never ending. Not until the end itself comes and we can all see for ourselves what really is there beyond life. So for now, let us just agree to disagree to all that is opposing our beliefs.. coz doing otherwise wont do both sides any good.. it just clearly creates more hate and that's just the last thing that this world needs right now.. so let us be a good example and a model as a christian and end this debate that is endless and not worth the debate.. not worth the hate.
just sayin..

First you say that I should argue with him,
then you say that arguing is essentially useless,
then you say that you are just sayin'.

What are you even here for?

Cool
As you can see, hawthelegend, he is either dumb or a douchebag. Don't waste your time, I did and now it's over.

I dont think you understood what I wanted to point out, i mean, was i too deep to understand? I did my best to express myself as simple as i could so my points can be easily understood, but well, it doesnt matter,. We are not enemies, no one is better than the other coz we were all made equal.
Just forgive me if i ever offended you, didn't think that my words were offending anyone..

People can only see what you want to point out by the words you post. See the highlighting above.

This is a forum. The whole idea behind a forum is expressing all kinds of things. Sometimes there is argument. Sometimes there is debate. What is your point? You are welcome to post it. That's what forums are for. Are you really trying to use the forum to state that we shouldn't be using a forum?

Cool
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May 05, 2017, 10:39:11 PM
Bruh, if you think arguing with him isn't worth it, then you should've just ignored his statements in the first place...
This topic has already been talked about so many times that it has become common. There has been billions of debates about this matter also.. and clearly it is never ending. Not until the end itself comes and we can all see for ourselves what really is there beyond life. So for now, let us just agree to disagree to all that is opposing our beliefs.. coz doing otherwise wont do both sides any good.. it just clearly creates more hate and that's just the last thing that this world needs right now.. so let us be a good example and a model as a christian and end this debate that is endless and not worth the debate.. not worth the hate.
just sayin..

First you say that I should argue with him,
then you say that arguing is essentially useless,
then you say that you are just sayin'.

What are you even here for?

Cool
As you can see, hawthelegend, he is either dumb or a douchebag. Don't waste your time, I did and now it's over.

I dont think you understood what I wanted to point out, i mean, was i too deep to understand? I did my best to express myself as simple as i could so my points can be easily understood, but well, it doesnt matter,. We are not enemies, no one is better than the other coz we were all made equal.
Just forgive me if i ever offended you, didn't think that my words were offending anyone..
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May 05, 2017, 09:05:51 PM
Bruh, if you think arguing with him isn't worth it, then you should've just ignored his statements in the first place...
This topic has already been talked about so many times that it has become common. There has been billions of debates about this matter also.. and clearly it is never ending. Not until the end itself comes and we can all see for ourselves what really is there beyond life. So for now, let us just agree to disagree to all that is opposing our beliefs.. coz doing otherwise wont do both sides any good.. it just clearly creates more hate and that's just the last thing that this world needs right now.. so let us be a good example and a model as a christian and end this debate that is endless and not worth the debate.. not worth the hate.
just sayin..

First you say that I should argue with him,
then you say that arguing is essentially useless,
then you say that you are just sayin'.

What are you even here for?

Cool
As you can see, hawthelegend, he is either dumb or a douchebag. Don't waste your time, I did and now it's over.
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May 05, 2017, 09:03:19 PM
Oh, wow. I almost can't believe it. You are actually being drawn into stating something useful, sort of.

Trying to get smart with me and all you do is say 'You did not rebut my proof'. Here you go, you apologist cunt, hopefully you vanish the fuck outta here after this.

1.Machine-like nature of the universe - obviously, you know nothing of the universe. If you would, you would know that there is a lot we don't know about it in order to call it machine-like. But hey, you're used to finding excuses for something you don't know about. Nothing proofs anything here except you talk about shit that you don't know.
LOL! Then why is it that every last machine that people have and use comes from examples shown in the universe... examples that have been around for thousands of years into the past, long before anybody looked to see what they are.


2. This is solely an assumption based on the fact that you believe that the universe has a creator (and you specifically know who, that is the flaw with you retards).
You say "this." What "this" are you talking about. Science scientifically proves that God exists. This throws out the idea of believing it. You can't believe what you know. Rather, you believe what God says - his predictions and explanations - not that He exists.


3. Quantum mathematics? Really? You call your shit scientifically based on the fact that you use fancy words? Randomness is not and was never what you defined it to be. Randomness means the lack of predictability, of a pattern, not the lack of the cause. I strongly believe you are a cunt more than a retard and you intentionally wrongly defined randomness in order to prove your bullshit. The remaining bullshit in your proof at this point is again an assumption, not proof. You assume that everything has a cause, so the universe must have God as a cause. Let us quickly cut the crap: we know there must be a cause to the big bang. We don't know what was that cause. Neither you. The only difference between you and people like me is that we try to find out through research. Apologists like you take the short way to the nobrain area and say 'It's God'. That's what you need to prove, that the one responsible for the universe is a God or the God. Until now, all you do is prove that there must be a cause to the universe. We already knew that, dipshit.
LOL! Just as I have said. Pure random has never been witnessed anywhere. All that has been witnessed - and in overwhelming abundance - is cause and effect. Just because cause and effect are often not observable by people because of their lack of any real abiblity, doesn't mean that there is any randomness. Stop blabbing, and get down to something that makes sense.


4. The nations look for God - here comes the propaganda. You really call this scientific proof? Have you ever read a scientific work, you mustering retard?
You poor baby. You can't take it, can you, when someone proves your religion is foolish Cheesy


Let's see some probability now. What is more probable:
a. A super intelligent and powerfull being created the universe and humans. Based on the logic of Badecker, something must have created the God. If he is so intelligent, how could he know something far more intelligent did not create him? If this is so, why are we losing time with this mediocre intelligent loser, let's hunt for the big one. Also, how far will this go, to the infinite?
You talk so silly. When a builder builds a shed, is he part of it? Do the laws of the shed hold true in the builder? Is the builder made out of wood and nails like the shed? Does he have shingles on his head like the shed has shingles on its roof? In the same way, the physics of the universe is not necessarily something that applies to God, even in the least.


b. Humans, who tend to use their imagination, fantasising about how powerfull they could be if they got smarter, invented a God as a protector, in the fear of predators. Later on, that became a religion and as man became more and more intelligent, religion became a way of controling other people hence the ones who invented and control it fantasize about having that power and act as if they would. Other examples of Godlike stories created by humans: nearly every superhero, fantasy movies, fantasy games, santa claus, local legends. For me, the this is far more probable. In fact, I attribute the God thing a percentage of 0.001% of probability.
Wow! You just described scientists. The only two differences are, they don't say the word "God," and they don't have the facts like God does.



Finally, I reach to my conclusion that I've said before without needing to write all of this for an apologist cunt to drop the 'you didn't prove I'm wrong' bullshit. The conclusion is all of that is pure assumption and intentionally error. Absolutely no proof anywhere that God is the cause of universe. All that you prove is that the Universe must have a cause, and we already know that, because it has been already proven. Your job is to prove that the cause is specifically your God. Good luck with that. Thank you a lot for wasting my time with your apologistic crap that does follow a pattern. Now fuck off outta here, you brainless cultist.


Thanks for the non-rebuttal. Most of what you say is simply talk against me personally. You poor baby. It kinda tickles watching the rabies spittle dribbling out of your mouth. Be careful, now. You just might bite yourself in the forehead. However, if you really want to, I'll tell you how you can do it. Stand on a chair, so you can reach way up there. LOL!  Cheesy

Cool
First of all, I can't believe I am actually doing this with a cunt like you, but it's all for the better of humanity. Consider me your Jesus Christ, fucker.

1. The electric toothbrush is anywhere to be seen in the universe. It's what God made first. The electric toothbrush. Or the dildo, people saw that too in the wonderful machines of the universe. Pathetic.
2.This refers to the assumption that you made, stop acting like a dumb bitch and take what you get for granted. You ate shit, nobody cares if you admit it or not. First two points are no even remotely scientifically, it is just your fecal matter transposed into thoughts.
3.Again, you are going all around. You are either a dumb cunt or a really hypocrite cunt. It is not what you have said. What you said is that TRUE (not pure, you common idiot) randomness does not exist because all is based on cause and effect. What actual science sais is that randomness defines as the lack of a pattern, of a high probability, not of a cause. Randomness does not exclude cause and effect, nor viceversa, you cheap idiot. Talking about patterns, here's what you did and keep doing: go around the subject, find some things that in your head seem to be flaws, try to exploit them to win your argument. As an example, you just ignored the truthfull fact that you must prove that there was a God as the first cause of the universe, and more precisely, your God, not fucking Osiris or The Spaghetti Monster (which, by the way, is the best example of how dumb are people to believe in anything). I state again, you cretine, we know everything has a cause and every cause will have an effect, we just don't know what was the cause. You don't know as well so stop acting like you do, you cunt. (that is why you shitheads are called apologists, because you find an excuse for your lack of knowledge by saying 'it must have been god') So other than cause and effect, which we already know of, you haven't proven anything.
4. Not believing is not a religion. It is not because having a religion means believing in something. Knowing something for sure and admitting there is stuff you do not know is just being normal, cunt. So keep the religious shit for yourself.
5. Beautiful story cultist, but that is just a childish thing. We were small, playing with wooden swords and we all had some superpower. And from time to time, there was an asshole who, when defeated, would say 'You can't do that because I have the power to take all your powers and you can't kill me'. Of course, we would just send him home but this is what you just did. Stick with cause and effect until that argument that you overuse turns against you. That's when you say 'whell yeah, but God is God and cause and effect does not apply to him'. You can't know that, you wouldn't know God, not even if he existed.  But you can say that because it's all imaginary, you can attribute unknown and mysterious powers to your imaginary superhero because he doesn't exist. That is your mind coming up with shitty excuses to maintain your defense system alive. You are basically a shit person, a faux, a fraud, a lie to yourself. An apologist cunt that pretends to scientifically prove something while he barely remembers to breathe properly. Of course this becomes personal, you shithead, since everything you wrote there comes from your rich imagination. You pretend to prove someting, and actually you are just writing your own desilusions there, your interpretations of the world as you see it. That is not observing, that is being a nut. Nothing to rebut, as I've said until now, absolutely nothing except some terms and some definition errors.
6. Scientists base everything on direct observation and experimentation.  You are just insulting them. You should be ashamed of yourself, cunt. But you have no shame, do you.
 Finally, keep in mind that I am very calm and have a really big smile on my face as I write all of these truths about you. I've told you, but I shall repeat myself: I am not insulting you, I am solely reflecting what you are as a person. Cunt, apologist, dumbass, cheap idiot, bitch, retard, ass licking cultist...these are not insults for someone who is all of these. So for you, they are attributes. Now, may you please get out of here? You have lost. Admit it, retreat, come up with new ideas and we can start again. Smiley

You are ever so funny Cheesy  Since you show by your words that most of what you know is deception that doesn't make sense, time to laugh you right off.  Grin

Cool
What happened, you ran out of arguments and you decide to play it cool? You wanted rebuttal and suddenly, when you have it, you decide to quit the discusion? As I said, you're exactly that kid that loses in a verbal dispute and starts laughing histerically at the other one hoping others will take his part.  Prove that what I have said makes no sense and it is not true. Then and only then I shall allow you to laugh it off without any kind of problem. Can you prove it?

What? Try to argue with someone who thinks that, "The electric toothbrush is anywhere to be seen in the universe. It's what God made first. The electric toothbrush. Or the dildo, people saw that too in the wonderful machines of the universe?" Barely even worth looking at.

Cool
Don't try to make it my fault if you fail to see the irony. That is your problem. I've said worse things to you until now. But now that I have sucessfully rebutted your dumbass childish logic, there is nothing that you can do but try to make it look like it's a waste of time for you. Same apologist behaviour, nothing new here. You're done mate, rebutted and you just claimed yourself defeated. Thank you very much, goodbye.
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May 05, 2017, 09:01:04 PM
Bruh, if you think arguing with him isn't worth it, then you should've just ignored his statements in the first place...
This topic has already been talked about so many times that it has become common. There has been billions of debates about this matter also.. and clearly it is never ending. Not until the end itself comes and we can all see for ourselves what really is there beyond life. So for now, let us just agree to disagree to all that is opposing our beliefs.. coz doing otherwise wont do both sides any good.. it just clearly creates more hate and that's just the last thing that this world needs right now.. so let us be a good example and a model as a christian and end this debate that is endless and not worth the debate.. not worth the hate.
just sayin..

First you say that I should argue with him,
then you say that arguing is essentially useless,
then you say that you are just sayin'.

What are you even here for?

Cool
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Oh, wow. I almost can't believe it. You are actually being drawn into stating something useful, sort of.

Trying to get smart with me and all you do is say 'You did not rebut my proof'. Here you go, you apologist cunt, hopefully you vanish the fuck outta here after this.

1.Machine-like nature of the universe - obviously, you know nothing of the universe. If you would, you would know that there is a lot we don't know about it in order to call it machine-like. But hey, you're used to finding excuses for something you don't know about. Nothing proofs anything here except you talk about shit that you don't know.
LOL! Then why is it that every last machine that people have and use comes from examples shown in the universe... examples that have been around for thousands of years into the past, long before anybody looked to see what they are.


2. This is solely an assumption based on the fact that you believe that the universe has a creator (and you specifically know who, that is the flaw with you retards).
You say "this." What "this" are you talking about. Science scientifically proves that God exists. This throws out the idea of believing it. You can't believe what you know. Rather, you believe what God says - his predictions and explanations - not that He exists.


3. Quantum mathematics? Really? You call your shit scientifically based on the fact that you use fancy words? Randomness is not and was never what you defined it to be. Randomness means the lack of predictability, of a pattern, not the lack of the cause. I strongly believe you are a cunt more than a retard and you intentionally wrongly defined randomness in order to prove your bullshit. The remaining bullshit in your proof at this point is again an assumption, not proof. You assume that everything has a cause, so the universe must have God as a cause. Let us quickly cut the crap: we know there must be a cause to the big bang. We don't know what was that cause. Neither you. The only difference between you and people like me is that we try to find out through research. Apologists like you take the short way to the nobrain area and say 'It's God'. That's what you need to prove, that the one responsible for the universe is a God or the God. Until now, all you do is prove that there must be a cause to the universe. We already knew that, dipshit.
LOL! Just as I have said. Pure random has never been witnessed anywhere. All that has been witnessed - and in overwhelming abundance - is cause and effect. Just because cause and effect are often not observable by people because of their lack of any real abiblity, doesn't mean that there is any randomness. Stop blabbing, and get down to something that makes sense.


4. The nations look for God - here comes the propaganda. You really call this scientific proof? Have you ever read a scientific work, you mustering retard?
You poor baby. You can't take it, can you, when someone proves your religion is foolish Cheesy


Let's see some probability now. What is more probable:
a. A super intelligent and powerfull being created the universe and humans. Based on the logic of Badecker, something must have created the God. If he is so intelligent, how could he know something far more intelligent did not create him? If this is so, why are we losing time with this mediocre intelligent loser, let's hunt for the big one. Also, how far will this go, to the infinite?
You talk so silly. When a builder builds a shed, is he part of it? Do the laws of the shed hold true in the builder? Is the builder made out of wood and nails like the shed? Does he have shingles on his head like the shed has shingles on its roof? In the same way, the physics of the universe is not necessarily something that applies to God, even in the least.


b. Humans, who tend to use their imagination, fantasising about how powerfull they could be if they got smarter, invented a God as a protector, in the fear of predators. Later on, that became a religion and as man became more and more intelligent, religion became a way of controling other people hence the ones who invented and control it fantasize about having that power and act as if they would. Other examples of Godlike stories created by humans: nearly every superhero, fantasy movies, fantasy games, santa claus, local legends. For me, the this is far more probable. In fact, I attribute the God thing a percentage of 0.001% of probability.
Wow! You just described scientists. The only two differences are, they don't say the word "God," and they don't have the facts like God does.



Finally, I reach to my conclusion that I've said before without needing to write all of this for an apologist cunt to drop the 'you didn't prove I'm wrong' bullshit. The conclusion is all of that is pure assumption and intentionally error. Absolutely no proof anywhere that God is the cause of universe. All that you prove is that the Universe must have a cause, and we already know that, because it has been already proven. Your job is to prove that the cause is specifically your God. Good luck with that. Thank you a lot for wasting my time with your apologistic crap that does follow a pattern. Now fuck off outta here, you brainless cultist.


Thanks for the non-rebuttal. Most of what you say is simply talk against me personally. You poor baby. It kinda tickles watching the rabies spittle dribbling out of your mouth. Be careful, now. You just might bite yourself in the forehead. However, if you really want to, I'll tell you how you can do it. Stand on a chair, so you can reach way up there. LOL!  Cheesy

Cool
First of all, I can't believe I am actually doing this with a cunt like you, but it's all for the better of humanity. Consider me your Jesus Christ, fucker.

1. The electric toothbrush is anywhere to be seen in the universe. It's what God made first. The electric toothbrush. Or the dildo, people saw that too in the wonderful machines of the universe. Pathetic.
2.This refers to the assumption that you made, stop acting like a dumb bitch and take what you get for granted. You ate shit, nobody cares if you admit it or not. First two points are no even remotely scientifically, it is just your fecal matter transposed into thoughts.
3.Again, you are going all around. You are either a dumb cunt or a really hypocrite cunt. It is not what you have said. What you said is that TRUE (not pure, you common idiot) randomness does not exist because all is based on cause and effect. What actual science sais is that randomness defines as the lack of a pattern, of a high probability, not of a cause. Randomness does not exclude cause and effect, nor viceversa, you cheap idiot. Talking about patterns, here's what you did and keep doing: go around the subject, find some things that in your head seem to be flaws, try to exploit them to win your argument. As an example, you just ignored the truthfull fact that you must prove that there was a God as the first cause of the universe, and more precisely, your God, not fucking Osiris or The Spaghetti Monster (which, by the way, is the best example of how dumb are people to believe in anything). I state again, you cretine, we know everything has a cause and every cause will have an effect, we just don't know what was the cause. You don't know as well so stop acting like you do, you cunt. (that is why you shitheads are called apologists, because you find an excuse for your lack of knowledge by saying 'it must have been god') So other than cause and effect, which we already know of, you haven't proven anything.
4. Not believing is not a religion. It is not because having a religion means believing in something. Knowing something for sure and admitting there is stuff you do not know is just being normal, cunt. So keep the religious shit for yourself.
5. Beautiful story cultist, but that is just a childish thing. We were small, playing with wooden swords and we all had some superpower. And from time to time, there was an asshole who, when defeated, would say 'You can't do that because I have the power to take all your powers and you can't kill me'. Of course, we would just send him home but this is what you just did. Stick with cause and effect until that argument that you overuse turns against you. That's when you say 'whell yeah, but God is God and cause and effect does not apply to him'. You can't know that, you wouldn't know God, not even if he existed.  But you can say that because it's all imaginary, you can attribute unknown and mysterious powers to your imaginary superhero because he doesn't exist. That is your mind coming up with shitty excuses to maintain your defense system alive. You are basically a shit person, a faux, a fraud, a lie to yourself. An apologist cunt that pretends to scientifically prove something while he barely remembers to breathe properly. Of course this becomes personal, you shithead, since everything you wrote there comes from your rich imagination. You pretend to prove someting, and actually you are just writing your own desilusions there, your interpretations of the world as you see it. That is not observing, that is being a nut. Nothing to rebut, as I've said until now, absolutely nothing except some terms and some definition errors.
6. Scientists base everything on direct observation and experimentation.  You are just insulting them. You should be ashamed of yourself, cunt. But you have no shame, do you.
 Finally, keep in mind that I am very calm and have a really big smile on my face as I write all of these truths about you. I've told you, but I shall repeat myself: I am not insulting you, I am solely reflecting what you are as a person. Cunt, apologist, dumbass, cheap idiot, bitch, retard, ass licking cultist...these are not insults for someone who is all of these. So for you, they are attributes. Now, may you please get out of here? You have lost. Admit it, retreat, come up with new ideas and we can start again. Smiley

You are ever so funny Cheesy  Since you show by your words that most of what you know is deception that doesn't make sense, time to laugh you right off.  Grin

Cool
What happened, you ran out of arguments and you decide to play it cool? You wanted rebuttal and suddenly, when you have it, you decide to quit the discusion? As I said, you're exactly that kid that loses in a verbal dispute and starts laughing histerically at the other one hoping others will take his part.  Prove that what I have said makes no sense and it is not true. Then and only then I shall allow you to laugh it off without any kind of problem. Can you prove it?

What? Try to argue with someone who thinks that, "The electric toothbrush is anywhere to be seen in the universe. It's what God made first. The electric toothbrush. Or the dildo, people saw that too in the wonderful machines of the universe?" Barely even worth looking at.

Cool

Bruh, if you think arguing with him isn't worth it, then you should've just ignored his statements in the first place...
This topic has already been talked about so many times that it has become common. There has been billions of debates about this matter also.. and clearly it is never ending. Not until the end itself comes and we can all see for ourselves what really is there beyond life. So for now, let us just agree to disagree to all that is opposing our beliefs.. coz doing otherwise wont do both sides any good.. it just clearly creates more hate and that's just the last thing that this world needs right now.. so let us be a good example and a model as a christian and end this debate that is endless and not worth the debate.. not worth the hate.
just sayin..
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