Topic: [SDC] ShadowCash Uncensored: Zeuner, Zero Knowledge, Zero Trust. What Happened? - page 16. (Read 23487 times)

I was looking into the code with all the discussion, Max_Money or Max Cap is at 2,000,000,000 Shadow (2 billion coins)

That will be created in total ? what?

Everyone can yet again see that your reality is far from everyone elses. Your use of "out of control" and "chaos" are fear mongering tactics used by the very people you pretend to dispise.

You were wanred and then some, countless times you said goodbye to everyone and told everyone that you would not be comming back to post in that thread yet you did. You are "out of control" and the comunity wishes to manage you.

Stick to your hate thread, continue banging on about your rubish thoughts about Shadows past and future due to you inexperience and complete lack of knowledge in all of the areas you seem to feel are important thats fine. However, you have been given rules for participation in the Shadow Announcment thread. You continue to break them, yet your posts are still there. Stop the pitty party and pull your head in kid. You are way out of your depth.

Again, i will suggest you make a clean thread with charts graphs and facts, not this conjecture hate thread filled with your bias! I promise you will get the answers you want. You wont so it just shows you are out to destroy yourself and everyone with you. Mainly you want and need attention. Hense no one wishing to play your game except that idiot smooth who still hasent taken the time to note the differences between the code yet still feels the need to give opinion on it. How long has said code been availible for him to note them? Exacly! Thus being an idiot with an agenda!

Pull your head in CH, this is not becomming of a standup citizen, and is far from the correct way to be heard and respected! Its your choice not ours, so stop making it our problem when its clearly yours!
Announcment means announcment, if you are going to avoid words based on you not beliving they are right then we may aswell not use words to comunicate at all!

I see that you have chosen to make this thread in the altcoin discussion part of this forum. This shows you know the differnce between Announcment and discussion. It seems you only acknowledge them when it suits you. And refuse to abide by them, but only when it suits you.

We are having a dicussion now based on the bias you filled the topic with. When you ask, plainly and coherantly the questions you pretend to seek. Then we can all discuss those, untill then this is a hate filled topic filled with conjecture from a  misguided, unwell individual, who wishes to break the rules when it suits them. You are showing that you dont care at all for facts but just want to project your misguded assumtions onto anyone who will listen.

Can you see where im heading with this point!? I hope so! Im sure you can but refuse to let it soak in properly.
You are saying one thing, might i add i think its quite admirable in its own ways. But your actions are telling quite a different story. Actions speak much louder then words in most cases and yours are a stark contrast to the things slipped in between your conjecture. Stating you just want the truth. Your actions are showing you refuse to accept it and just want to continue fighting.

I can see there is a trust breakdown between you and the Shadow comunity/devs. You wont seem to trust anyone but an outsider for now, hence feeling the desperation to have a peer review. I get that, however, what you are doing is ignoring the fact that the best equipped people to help you with this are the Shadow comunity/devs. You have effectivly driven a wedge between you and them. You need to look at that in my opinion, because the way you wish to be heard at the moment will never work for you as long as you continue to push the best equipped people to help you find your solution, away from you. Am i making sense?

Continue on this path and you just show that you dont want answers but fights! Fights is what you will get untill you pull in your head, and come at this the correct and respectful way. I hope this is getting through to you, or else its a complete waste of my time, which might i add, your actions keep telling me it is.

Kristov Atlas and Peter Todd declined. Not sure who else was contacted. Greg Maxwell might be another potential, but may be a conflict of interest due to his involvement with CoinJoin.  Most of the big names in crypto are consumed by Bitcoin projects.

If you're going to pay someone a handful of BTC to do a review of the tech, why choose a random unknown who's not part of the crypto community? There are even really respected people involved with Bitcoin that will do serious analysis but under an assumed name as not to imply that their review is an endorsement(Monero has had this done with a few different 'big names' in Bitcoin I believe). And even if you want someone to do it under their real name, I don't think it's too difficult to find someone if you're actually paying money which Shadow appears to be doing.

And you do realize that what you do looks more like you're flaming the s#!t out of SDC, right?

I'm curious why you're throwing dirt on Shadow. If you don't like it, nobody forces you to stay. My point is: there's a lot of other coins, which may even fit your needs better.
Why staying here if you're not satisfied? Just saying – move on and don't hate anymore. Nobody profits there, really.

You're just pissing a lot of people this way, for nothing. Well, for "truth", but yeah. I guess you get my point.

The truth, innovative tech and anonymity in a world of control. What's yours?

child_harod, P3RS3US or Wanderlust, whoever of you are you right now..

I'm genuinely curious: What's your aim?

Honestly, this thread has "hate" written all over in it. You either like SDC (which you obviously don't) or not.
If not, move on and find a coin, with all the stuff that you need.
From what I can say:

• successful peer review
• really good distribution
• fair launch (or however you define that)
• anonymity
• regular dev updates

..about right? I tried to build that list based on my memory, what got you heated many times about Shadow.

OR there's the other option, that you actually like Shadow (not that it seem like it anymore).

In either way, why do you spam and flame SDC so much? I'm not flaming you right now, but be honest — were your posts always meaningful and to-the-topic? I know you're loving all the quotes, memes and many Youtube links; but when you flood the thread with this stuff and somewhere bury a legitimate thought in that from time to time, I wouldn't be so surprised that my posts were deleted. You ARE getting your answers, you just ignore them.

If you like SDC, you could be more civil and ask the questions you want answered politely and well formulated. If you caps-yell in every direction, don't act hurt when this behaviour is disliked.
If you don't like SDC, you're doing all this just as trolling, trying to hurt SDC. Really? That is you legacy? "I won't have SDC, so I'll make sure nobody will"? 'Cos that's like it seems (from my point of view).

well dasourec has already given his verdict - and it's not good.

1. I've replied to your "why did the devs cut mining short" on two separate threads. If you want a dev to answer you, PM them on slack.
2. No, I'm telling you I don't have to waste my time finding that evidence  because you have no evidence proving that the initial coinbase rewards mined from that address were transferred to suspicious addresses in the first place. That argument was never made by you and no evidence exists to support that argument. Why am I supposed to counterargue? Do you understand how LOGIC works?

Can you prove that you're not a troll?

1. Absolutely not. Even SDC Team member dasource (who I do not belive was involved with SDC in these early days) sayd he'll be launching his own investigation in order to restore faith.
See below.

2 Are you telling me you cannot find a tx showing the transfer funds from the suspicious address to a non-suspicious one? That should be easy.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12616537

@wheatclove

It's not a factor of trying to silence debate.
Its keeping the announcement thread clean of spam. Valid concerns will not be deleted and ignored. We already addressed Child_Harold's concerns and provided him with the answers he did not want to hear, so he continued to spam the thread with fud.

This is what a debate with CH looks like.
CH: CLAIM1
OTHER: RESPONSE
CH: CLAIM2
OTHER: RESPONSE
CH: CLAIM3
OTHER: RESPONSE
CH: CLAIM1, CLAIM3, CLAIM2, CLAIM3, CLAIM1
OTHER: RESPONSE
CH: SAME SHIT OVER AND OVER

Most of his arguments are unsound and even invalid. Commits many logical fallacies at once. And he spams for answers from people on this forum without attempting to contact them directly (every few weeks demanding a dev update when he could just send the devs a PM to find out how things are going, etc).

My view:

Coins should use uncensored threads instead of moderated ones. That way these issues remain on the coins thread to be dealt with instead of adding new drama and threads to the site.

Child Harold may have made mistakes, but I can understand why he felt frustrated and wanted to vent after his posts kept getting deleted in the SDC thread.

Many investors avoid coins with moderated announcement threads altogether and I don't blame them. Those that speak the truth should not be scared of an open and unmoderated debate.

If you feel sad you can probably imagine how I feel. Thinking back on how much song & dance I raised over Zeuner months ago only to now find I am still without the review that I told everybody I know about. I have lost face and so has Shadow over this.

As far as mudslinging (I assume you're referring to the POW phase stuff I linked). People will make up their own minds about that and can do so just by reading the first few pages of the original SDC thread as I did for the first time a couple weeks back.

The censorship on the main SDC thread is totally out-of-control and LongAndShort's ANN only policy is bound to raise some eyebrows. I really dont see how asking questions about Zeuner in that thread is considered off-topic and I have little motivation at this point to struggle to post there without deletion, always wondering which of LongAndShorts triggers I might upset.

It has almost always been about the anon for me: Darkcoin, Monero, Bytecoin, Cloakcoin, Bytecoin, Shadow
A long and tiring pilgrimage indeed lasting three or so years.

OUR COMMUNITY DESERVED THAT REPORT. DAMMIT - I DESERVED THAT REPORT  
WITHOUT IT SHADOW CANNOT PROVE INNOVATION AND HAS LITTLE VALUE.

Nobody will use the market or shaodwsend seriously until proper peer-review.

By coincidence the most recent episode of LetsTalkBitcoin deals with the subject of peer review and whitepapers and discusses a new web-based peer review journal called Ledger. I suggest you submit the whitepaper to them (for free) and see what they have to say. AT one point one of the Ledger guys says that crypto projects would do well to have there stuff peer-reviewed before launch. Oh well. Still though …give it a go.

https://letstalkbitcoin.com/blog/post/lets-talk-bitcoin-252-new-ideas-in-cryptocurrency
http://ledgerjournal.org/ojs/index.php/ledger/announcement/view/4

Be courageous.

This time next year Rusty…