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Topic: [SDC] ShadowCash Uncensored: Zeuner, Zero Knowledge, Zero Trust. What Happened? - page 17. (Read 23483 times)

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And now you want to kiss smooth.....   Come on man, now your taking this a step too far.   Wink  

Oh you're just jealous Wink Or maybe it's Stockholm syndrome, LOL

So you finally dropped by? Good to see you rusty, do you like what I've done with the place? Smiley

Well this really saddens me CH.   Sad

You're better than this and its upsetting to see you lower yourself down to smooth or even bentachs level of mudslinging. 

I know others may not agree with me here, but I really hope once you get things sorted out that you can come back home.  Take care buddy.
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CH, if you want information or questions answered, PM me here or on Slack. I'm not a developer, and I'm not a team member, but the questions you ask are easily answered by simple research.

It's ironic that you don't trust anyone in Shadow but you trust smooth and Zuener.

You think it's ironic?

Obviously I trust Zeuner and smooth more. They are direct and dont waste people's time and are (relatively speaking) well known entities in the crypto-space with proven records

Q What is the longest list in the world?
A The list of things Id rather do than PM you

Besides the fact u are not a dev and not a Team member you have always been a nasty piece of work

-You're the guy who once called me a broken hype machine and now struggles to get a single retweet
-Your'e the guy who by his own admission is the "only person that actively insults Child_Harold"
-You're the guy that called me schizophrenic on twitter
-You're the guy who told me to suck Zeuners dick
-You're the guy who said I was sucking smooths dick today

You're a programming student who used to work at McDonalds.
There's only one dick being sucked around here, and (ironically) its waiting for you in slack.





So you're not truly seeking any real knowledge or information from anyone other than smooth. Duly noted.

P.S. Zuener has wasted your time for "almost a year" and he's a nobody in the crypto-space with an unproven record.

I'm offering up an apology. My opinion of your actions is still my own, but it is not my place to actively degrade you in the ways I have in the past. My insults and name calling are not warranted by your behavior. I'm sorry for harassing you and upsetting you. I should have never stooped to that behavior.

Now, if you need to know some shit, let me know, I'll figure it out for you. Only after private means of communication have been expended, you can resort to posting your questions multiple times on the same page with biased evidence in an attempt to create uncertainty in the community.

Quoting you to record this statement as long as BCT is online and longer. Good night WC
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CH, if you want information or questions answered, PM me here or on Slack. I'm not a developer, and I'm not a team member, but the questions you ask are easily answered by simple research.

It's ironic that you don't trust anyone in Shadow but you trust smooth and Zuener.

You think it's ironic?

Obviously I trust Zeuner and smooth more. They are direct and dont waste people's time and are (relatively speaking) well known entities in the crypto-space with proven records

Q What is the longest list in the world?
A The list of things Id rather do than PM you

Besides the fact u are not a dev and not a Team member you have always been a nasty piece of work

-You're the guy who once called me a broken hype machine and now struggles to get a single retweet
-Your'e the guy who by his own admission is the "only person that actively insults Child_Harold"
-You're the guy that called me schizophrenic on twitter
-You're the guy who told me to suck Zeuners dick
-You're the guy who said I was sucking smooths dick today

You're a programming student who used to work at McDonalds.
There's only one dick being sucked around here, and (ironically) its waiting for you in slack.





So you're not truly seeking any real knowledge or information from anyone other than smooth. Duly noted.

P.S. Zuener has wasted your time for "almost a year" and he's a nobody in the crypto-space with an unproven record.

I'm offering up an apology. My opinion of your actions is still my own, but it is not my place to actively degrade you in the ways I have in the past. My insults and name calling are not warranted by your behavior. I'm sorry for harassing you and upsetting you. I should have never stooped to that behavior.

Now, if you need to know some shit, let me know, I'll figure it out for you. Only after private means of communication have been expended, you can resort to posting your questions multiple times on the same page with biased evidence in an attempt to create uncertainty in the community.
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CH, if you want information or questions answered, PM me here or on Slack. I'm not a developer, and I'm not a team member, but the questions you ask are easily answered by simple research.

It's ironic that you don't trust anyone in Shadow but you trust smooth and Zuener.

You think it's ironic?

Obviously I trust Zeuner and smooth more. They are direct and dont waste people's time and are (relatively speaking) well known entities in the crypto-space with proven records

Q What is the longest list in the world?
A The list of things Id rather do than PM you

Besides the fact u are not a dev and not a Team member you have always been a nasty piece of work

-You're the guy who once called me a broken hype machine and now struggles to get a single retweet
-Your'e the guy who by his own admission is the "only person that actively insults Child_Harold"
-You're the guy that called me schizophrenic on twitter
-You're the guy who told me to suck Zeuners dick
-You're the guy who said I was sucking smooths dick today

You're a programming student who used to work at McDonalds.
There's only one dick being sucked around here, and (ironically) its waiting for you in slack.



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CH, if you want information or questions answered, PM me here or on Slack. I'm not a developer, and I'm not a team member, but the questions you ask are easily answered by simple research.

It's ironic that you don't trust anyone in Shadow but you trust smooth and Zuener.
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I did mention the writing quality. It is hard to understand and unclear about a lot of things. On the tech itself, what can I say? It is a near-clone of cryptonote which I consider to be a generally good system.

This chimes perfectly with what my software developer mate said about the paper.

Since a whitepaper is supposed to make things clear and be coherent Id argue it fails to do specifically what it is meant to do. Therefor it is "bad".

The shadowchat paper could be even "badder" (worse) by the looks of things
http://www.shadow.cash/downloads/shadowcoin-p2p-em.pdf

 

Perhaps these issues are not unrelated.

I must confess I literally had no idea the original emission was supposed to be 20 million until a couple weeks ago when I started reading the original thread and that the PoW phase lasted even less time than I thought. Aborted after  only11 days due to scrypt ASIC's? Without this post https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7925381 I might have never even known!





Doesnt look good.

Seeing 00Smurf, gouda and LongAndShort post in that thread in the first few days of Shadows life didnt make me feel any better either.
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And now you want to kiss smooth.....   Come on man, now your taking this a step too far.   Wink  

Oh you're just jealous Wink Or maybe it's Stockholm syndrome, LOL

So you finally dropped by? Good to see you rusty, do you like what I've done with the place? Smiley
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So why are NIZKPs and ring sigs used when only one is required for anon? Anybody?

NIZKP are part of the method used by CryptoNote ring signatures, which was copied by SDC. It is in section 4.4 of the CryptoNote white paper.


Do xmr and sdc have technically the same anon feature?

It isn't exactly the same due to the nature of the code bases (SDC is built on top of a Bitcoin fork, Monero is not), and there are some other small details that are different, but the overall method of the ring signatures is the same.


I could kiss you smooth. What's you take on the ShadowSendv2 whitepaper?

And now you want to kiss smooth.....   Come on man, now your taking this a step too far.   Wink  

I agree.


For answering a Q I express my gratitude.

So NIZKPs and Ring SIgs are part of the same CN technology? OK
And the WP isnt bad despite not referencing CN correctly? You are more generous than others Ive spoken to regarding this

I did mention the writing quality. It is hard to understand and unclear about a lot of things. On the tech itself, what can I say? It is a near-clone of cryptonote which I consider to be a generally good system.

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Zeuner asked for more documentation. Does this seem reasonable to you and can you explain why providing documentation for a crytographic peer review could be so time consuming it has been placed on the backburner for almost a year? Would it not be wiser to have ShadowSend properly tested before moving on to the Market?

I have no opinion on the priorities of the people running the SDC project. I guess they have their reasons. You already know the distribution strategy disqualifies it from consideration for me. Perhaps these issues are not unrelated.

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So why are NIZKPs and ring sigs used when only one is required for anon? Anybody?

NIZKP are part of the method used by CryptoNote ring signatures, which was copied by SDC. It is in section 4.4 of the CryptoNote white paper.


Do xmr and sdc have technically the same anon feature?

It isn't exactly the same due to the nature of the code bases (SDC is built on top of a Bitcoin fork, Monero is not), and there are some other small details that are different, but the overall method of the ring signatures is the same.


I could kiss you smooth. What's you take on the ShadowSendv2 whitepaper?

And now you want to kiss smooth.....   Come on man, now your taking this a step too far.   Wink  

I agree.


For answering a Q I express my gratitude.

So NIZKPs and Ring SIgs are part of the same CN technology? OK
And the WP isnt bad despite not referencing CN correctly? You are more generous than others Ive spoken to regarding this

Zeuner asked for more documentation. Does this seem reasonable to you and can you explain why providing documentation for a crytographic peer review could be so time consuming it has been placed on the backburner for almost a year? Would it not be wiser to have ShadowSend properly tested before moving on to the Market?
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So why are NIZKPs and ring sigs used when only one is required for anon? Anybody?

NIZKP are part of the method used by CryptoNote ring signatures, which was copied by SDC. It is in section 4.4 of the CryptoNote white paper.


Do xmr and sdc have technically the same anon feature?

It isn't exactly the same due to the nature of the code bases (SDC is built on top of a Bitcoin fork, Monero is not), and there are some other small details that are different, but the overall method of the ring signatures is the same.


I could kiss you smooth. What's you take on the ShadowSendv2 whitepaper?

And now you want to kiss smooth.....   Come on man, now your taking this a step too far.   Wink  

I agree.
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So why are NIZKPs and ring sigs used when only one is required for anon? Anybody?

NIZKP are part of the method used by CryptoNote ring signatures, which was copied by SDC. It is in section 4.4 of the CryptoNote white paper.


Do xmr and sdc have technically the same anon feature?

It isn't exactly the same due to the nature of the code bases (SDC is built on top of a Bitcoin fork, Monero is not), and there are some other small details that are different, but the overall method of the ring signatures is the same.


I could kiss you smooth. What's you take on the ShadowSendv2 whitepaper?

And now you want to kiss smooth.....   Come on man, now your taking this a step too far.   Wink  
legendary
Activity: 2968
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So why are NIZKPs and ring sigs used when only one is required for anon? Anybody?

NIZKP are part of the method used by CryptoNote ring signatures, which was copied by SDC. It is in section 4.4 of the CryptoNote white paper.


Do xmr and sdc have technically the same anon feature?

It isn't exactly the same due to the nature of the code bases (SDC is built on top of a Bitcoin fork, Monero is not), and there are some other small details that are different, but the overall method of the ring signatures is the same.


I could kiss you smooth. What's you take on the ShadowSendv2 whitepaper?

They should have properly cited cryptonote instead of just burying it in the references with no citation in the paper. Other than that, and ignoring the issue of writing quality and style, the paper isn't bad.

I'm told that the messaging thing is similarly derivative of Bitmessage with similar lack of care to properly cite and give credit, but I can't confirm based on my own research (since I haven't done any).
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So why are NIZKPs and ring sigs used when only one is required for anon? Anybody?

NIZKP are part of the method used by CryptoNote ring signatures, which was copied by SDC. It is in section 4.4 of the CryptoNote white paper.


Do xmr and sdc have technically the same anon feature?

It isn't exactly the same due to the nature of the code bases (SDC is built on top of a Bitcoin fork, Monero is not), and there are some other small details that are different, but the overall method of the ring signatures is the same.


I could kiss you smooth. What's you take on the ShadowSendv2 whitepaper?
legendary
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So why are NIZKPs and ring sigs used when only one is required for anon? Anybody?

NIZKP are part of the method used by CryptoNote ring signatures, which was copied by SDC. It is in section 4.4 of the CryptoNote white paper.


Do xmr and sdc have technically the same anon feature?

It isn't exactly the same due to the nature of the code bases (SDC is built on top of a Bitcoin fork, Monero is not), and there are some other small details that are different, but the overall method of the ring signatures is the same.
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So why are NIZKPs and ring sigs used when only one is required for anon? Anybody?

NIZKP are part of the method used by CryptoNote ring signatures, which was copied by SDC. It is in section 4.4 of the CryptoNote white paper.


Do xmr and sdc have technically the same anon feature?
legendary
Activity: 2968
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So why are NIZKPs and ring sigs used when only one is required for anon? Anybody?

NIZKP are part of the method used by CryptoNote ring signatures, which was copied by SDC. It is in section 4.4 of the CryptoNote white paper.
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So why are NIZKPs and ring sigs used when only one is required for anon? Anybody?

Does this mean that SDC`s anon feature is not successful?
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Its a hate thread loaded with your bullshit delusions and conjecture. In it resides some valid questions (that have been answered but not all in one place, linkworthy...) clouded, as i said, with buillshit delusions and conjecture.

You wont find anyone enabling your crap CH. You damn well know what i mean by make your own respectful thread asking the questions you would like answeres too. You refuse to and call it all sorts of crap it just isnt.
You seem unwell to me and you seem out to destroy yourself and everyone with you. I will have no part in this silly game. I'm trying to help you get heard but you keep throwing that in my face also.

Untill you respect yourself dont expect anyone else to resepct you!


Forget the cheap psychology

Answer the questions, it's that simple

What's the problem?
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Its a hate thread loaded with your bullshit delusions and conjecture. In it resides some valid questions (that have been answered but not all in one place, linkworthy...) clouded, as i said, with buillshit delusions and conjecture.

You wont find anyone enabling your crap CH. You damn well know what i mean by make your own respectful thread asking the questions you would like answeres too. You refuse to and call it all sorts of crap it just isnt.
You seem unwell to me and you seem out to destroy yourself and everyone with you. I will have no part in this silly game. I'm trying to help you get heard but you keep throwing that in my face also.

Untill you respect yourself dont expect anyone else to resepct you!
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The answers are all within the comunity you just havent asked in a respectful way.

Thats bullshit. Even from the first post on this thread anybody can plainly see 3 unanswered Q's (which have been unanswered for months):

1/ Why are both NIZKPs AND Ring Signatures used when only one is necessary for anoymity?

2/ Are the documents referred to in the latest SDC update going to assist Zeuner and others like him perform a crytographic peer review of ShadowSend?

3/ You claim a community decision was taken to abandon the review in favor of developing the market. I was in the community and have no recollection of this. Can you evidence this please?



It took you 3 weeks to make this thread and finnaly start the correct process

Well I did it didnt I? I stepped up. Now can somebody please try and answer these questions??


Finally I d ask that SDC Team member dasource not discredit this thread and implement a 3-line whip (with LongAndShort) to discourage SDC community members (such as they are) to participate in here. I promised an unmoderated thread - HERE it is.

+ @dasource: you have no power here  Tongue

ps perhaps I was harsh on Stefan Tual. I admit when Im wrong.




Sigh... Please let this soak in...

Formulate your questions in a coherant manner. Make a thread (not this hate thread) asking the questions ONLY and you will find you will get answered. (dont load it up with venom and conjecture) Its hurting my head that you keep up this garbage tangent and expect people to play your silly game with you.

Please for all things good Start a thread asking the questions. Make them neat and cohenrant. And leave it at that. The way you have been doing it is unacceptable and the proof is that you are not being answered for the 100th time because you dont seem to be accepting any of the answers given thus far. So please, I'LL YELL IT ONE MORE TIME, Please formulate the questions you need to desperatly know the answers to in a coherant fassion. Make a thread and post them. Then please link to that thread on The Shadow Project ANNOUNCMENT thread. The one on this forum; stating something like " Here are some questions i would really apreciate some answers to" (keep it unloaded of all you other bullshit and you may find yourself surprised!!!

My personal opinion is that you dont really want the answers, you just want to destroy yourself for some crazy reason. As i said my heart goes out to you, it really does, however, i refuse to enable it in you. Please be heard in the ways put to you, please try it if you really do want some answers. Then it will all be over with and we can go on our merry little ways and continue building a better future for our childrens children! As i said though, that is just my opinion and assumtion of whats going on.

- Yes my questions are coherent. Can you answer them?
- No self-destruction required - I really DO WANT the answers
- "Start a thread asking the questions" - Im sorry but perhaps i misunderstood, you want me to create another thread?
Have the vapors from your boot polish affected your brain? Are you taking the piss? I literally just made this thread and clearly your patronizing manner had graduated to proper cunt status. I WILL NOT START A NEW THREAD.

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