Topic: SealsWithClubs.eu | Largest Bitcoin Poker Site | No Banking | Fast Cashouts - page 135. (Read 1404011 times)

1)  some low post-count posters are making outlandish statements.  This is going to happen in this industry.  Pay no attention IMO, and instead remember our multi-year history of always acting honorably

2)  We have made some changes, worked through the night again, and I think we have a good shot to bring it back up in a few hours. 

big thanks to ST6 for an extremely hard working last 48 hrs or so.

I'm pretty new to SwC, about a week or two - some of you will recognize me from staking me ( and for most of you I have made you some $$$ )

I have been watching this thread since seals went down this week, and its to the point that I feel I need to thrown my 2 cents in...

First off, BitCoin poker is new .... for those around in the beginnings of online poker in general ( i personally started with pokerroom.com - loved that site!) there were issues then, as people were developing new techniques to rip people off, attack online wallets etc etc... bitcoin is still new to the world... still in the stage where there are way more people that dont understand it than do... the security to keep funds safe are way different that keeping your CC, or even regular bank funds safe... the untraceable factor with bitcoin adds a whole new level of confusion to situations like this. The best place for anyones funds during this is wherever the keep them safe on a constant basis. An offline cold wallet is much better than anywhere online where they would be accessible if a breach occurred.

A DDos attack is very serious, and very difficult to defend against once it is happening. I am a programmer/developer and have a better understanding than most who have been posting here I feel ( as many of you have said you dont understand what it is). One of the main issues with not being able to just send you your funds is the current structure to do that is part of the current site that is under attack...SwC is the best and fastest cash out system I have ever seen in online poker, but the system like I said is part of the site, which is down right now. When the statement was made about 48hrs and cashouts I believe what was actually said was If the shutdown lasts another 48 hrs ( which we are not to yet I don't believe as that comment was posted a ways into the shutdown) that he would then press the team working on the tech aspect of things to build a system to allow cashouts to be processed. He did not say he would cash people out after 48 hrs... this goes back to what I was just saying about the process being built into the site. A new cash out process, new technical pieces would need to be built in order to process these cashouts in a clean correct fashion, and assuring the correct people get their money. ( or btc)

The main thing about a ddos attack was actually made in one of the videos (some) people are upset about... the main issue is there is no connectivity right now. Its not that the site itself was compromised during a ddos attack, its that so much traffic is thrown at it that it brings the connectivity down. Not a perfect example but think if all of a sudden all the water pipes to a street of houses were over pressurized to a point that made the pipes burst... you lose connection to your water course now.. as does everyone else on your street. The water company first needs to fix the issue with the pressure, then fix the pipes on your street, then you are back in service. If in this time you demanded to be able to take a shower, and you want the water that you should be getting, and the water company said alright and dropped 10,000 bottles of water on your street from a plane and said well this is the amount of water you would use in the downtime, here you go... does that actually do any good? no.. you cant shower with it, no pressure and its in a bottle... as stupid as that sounds, the point is you need the infrastructure rebuilt before you can expect things to operate as normal. No different than insisting over and over again that you personally be cashed out from a service that is currently down. If an ATM you go to says its not online do You stand there and demand it give you your money because you know it has money inside, even though it can't communicate with the bank to process said transaction?

Lastly I am of the firm belief that if you have so much money tied up in online gambling that you cannot operate offline you have a problem. Even before black friday I was of this opinion.. but now in post black friday online poker anything you have online you should in the back of your head expect to possibly be tied up at any moment. Is this "right" no.. but its the world we live in and reality. If a cashout from an online poker site being delayed a few days, or a week causes you to not have the funds to pay bills, rent etc.. then you have no business being online and gambling... or at least you have too much $$ in your online acct. Regardless of whether in the past cashouts have happened in a few hrs, days etc.. you should not be gambling with money online  that you need to cover expenses withing a week! come on are you that out of touch? [ and if you say you werent using it to gamble, then why did you have it on the site... you should have removed it last week, last month etc etc...] and if you are going to argue that you are an online grinder and this is how you get by, then again you are out of touch because anyone that continues to depend on that post black friday is asking for problems. [ Im not saying grinding in online poker is necessarily a bad idea, but if you are living that close to the bottom of your bank acct doing that, maybe its time to look for a new profession)

Micon we need more vidoes!

Donk, I get you, trust me, and I don't think the way I am wording my posts or reacting is quite as erroneous as some of the others have been on this site.  My financial status is just in complete peril and yes, losing a couple hundred bucks worth of bitcoin to a poker site that is unreachable IS a major factor to me right now.  I don't know what to do, I feel completely helpless, and I would just absolutely adore them if they would send me my btc and allow me to straighten things out offline.  But, they will not do that, and they are obviously not competent or sophisticated enough to handle the current situation, and that just makes me angry.  I can't even describe how angry I was yesterday when I woke up in the morning and the site still was not working.  Today, I am in shock, and fear.  Because now I am thinking there could be a deeper meaning behind all of this.  If you'd like to send me some btc, and I will refund you in seals chips once the site becomes available, that would be a huge help to me.  But I doubt you would participate in something like that, regardless of how strong your faith in SwC is.

This is exactly the deal.  It is far better that they do this right than that they do it quickly.

Some of the 0-post newbies posting obvious bullshit propaganda are probably comrades of the thieves.  Processing withdrawals at this point would very well be giving money to thieves.  It takes some time to figure out who the legit cashouts are.

Look at the post counts of these fucking trolls (and probable criminals) who are trying to steal money from you.  Ignore their shit.

Estimations, especially with problems like this, can be difficult to make. Better have a good solution then going back online while all games crash and people complain.

I got decent bankroll there, not concerned -at all-. The transactions you ppl see are most likely "normal" transactions to cold wallets (which is a good security feature fyi.) Also if it takes a few days to get your money of a poker site ("for once"), it's still considered quick at the "traditional" online poker sites. I think manual withdrawals are difficult and time consuming so I can't blame them for at least waiting bit longer for that.

If anyone really "need" his money "NOW", my advice would be to not put it all on a poker website next time.

Posts like this from idiot trolls with 0 post history come across to me like they're actually coming from whoever is DDoSing the site.

I hope this is as transparent to anyone reading my post as it is to me.

Do not fall for propaganda from terrorist criminals.

Just unreal. Maybe they want to make sure everything is in order security wise so they don't cashout the wrong person? I don't understand ddos and all the Intracacies  involved in getting the site back up. I am giving seals the benefit of the doubt because of their past history of making things right and having players funds safe. I have more then you on the site and I am not panicking. If you were a newbie I could understand almost but you have been on the site longer then me. Playing online with these types of hiccups is the price of doing business or playing poker for usa players imo and I will put up with the hiccups and play on a site that has proven credibility  every day of the week.

Micon was on here yesterday saying site would be up in 8 hours.  It has been roughly 18 hours since that statement.  Why are you giving them the benefit of the doubt?  Like I said, it would be very easy and allow them all the breathing room they need if they would just refund people who are concerned, and allow them to get out of their hair.

Well I hope you are right. Blind trust is never good though. Bitcoin value has only dropped $100 since this bull began. Thanks Seals.

Does anyone know how much this kind of ddos attack would cost if you didn't own the botnet yourself?

What are "your" addresses?  You think everyone has separate addresses or fund accounts on ANY poker site?  Funds are almost always co-mingled.  Same on exchanges.  This is a common occurrence.  

Micon said 48 hours if site not back up for manual cashouts ,  you will feel foolish when you are back playing when site goes up as I am certain you will after this. So don't calm down and run around like a chicken without your head,  im putting you on ignore as tired of your whining and refusal to listen to reason.

I don't have sympathy nor patience for anything or anyone at this point in time.  I want my btc, immediately, and I will go on my merry way.  It's not an outlandish request.  I emailed support yesterday, and they said they would oblige if the site was not back up "soon".  That was exactly 21 hours ago.  That is longer than my definition of soon.  When this started going down on Tuesday, my "absolutely need this money by this day" was today.  So no, I will not calm down.  I need this btc and I don't care who tells me how fucking stupid I am or how broke I am or anything else.  It is besides the point.  They can fix their system and take as much time as they want.  Just don't hold my funds hostage.

My address and a friends have both been cleared out. The transfers happened on the 22nd. Explain this seals. Why are you stalling? Buying time to launder our funds?

If you can move our funds to your mega accounts the day after the attack why can't you process withdrawals so we can get off your god awful crappy site.

Anyone still waiting for FTP withdrawals?  How about Cake withdrawals?  Juicy Poker withdrawals anyone?  

If you want a safe regulated site that you have nearly no worries about, stop playing on Seals.  Or don't start to begin with.  I hate to say it, but DUH.  If you're in the US, move to Nevada or NJ where its legal and they have regulated online poker, albeit a tiny player base.  Outside of US, Stars is probably the best bet but again, have you met the owners before?  Seen them?

This happens.  Online poker is the wild west.  Ever seen the terrible movie Runner Runner?  Maybe Micon is transferring all the funds to Justin Timberlake as we speak.  Although I doubt it.  

Is he professional?  No.  Do I care?  No.  Would you feel better if he were in a $5k suit in a corporate boardroom doing this video updates?  I'd actually be more concerned.  Although that -would- be a really funny sight to see.  At least we know who he is.  A lot of the players know him from the poker circuit.  He, and his partners, are not stealing the money.  Could they have done a better job with a lot of things, of course.  The desktop client is very 2005-ish, tourney "lobbys" etc.  But you know what, you can deposit money within 20 min and withdraw usually within 5-8 hours.  Beat that in the US on any site.

Bitcoin withdrawls are super fast. There are stumbling blocks that go along with these fast witdrawls and this is one of them. So you have to wait a few days to get your money. Bovada which is lightning fast takes a week. Imagine you were playing on lock .

People had the same conspierecy theories as the above newbie and funds were always there. Track record on seals with regard to people getting money like when tourneys go down or even disconnects is pretty solid. Why not give the site the benefit of the doubt based on their track record. Micon said 48 hours for manual transferes if site not back up we are not at 48 hours.  In other words chill.

Mine too.  I've had two withdrawals from my address since the beginning of the shutdown.  Odd.

This is total bullshit, when are you retards going to fix this?

This is clearly a primer for the site shutdown and scam withdrawal. The site has been Ddos'ed before and they have recovered. They are using that so you will believe they will recover once again. Micon, their frontman broadcasting from that shitty room will pretend he had nothing to do with it when they have stolen your coins. He is appearing to look clueless and poor so we don't accuse him of the upcoming scam.

Has anyone checked their bitcoin addresses? Funds have been moved out of my address.

Pay the Ddosers debts and reply to their emails. Seals this is your problem, why should your customers have to suffer for it? Absolutely useless morons.

All of your public figures are going to have to go into hiding if you decide to rip us off.

Wow.   This is getting out of hand on so many levels.  Yes, I have a bit more than 500 chips on there, but that's not the point.  I asked politely if they would withdrawal my funds, they said they would, and now we're here 24 hours later still down.  Like I said, I don't care what the situation is, that's not my problem.  Please just allow me access to my money and I will be on my way.

My advice, which is no use right now of course, but will be when this happens again, and it will.  As the leading Bitcoin poker site, Seals is always going to be a lightning rod for attacks by shitheads.

Only keep on the site what you need for the levels you play.  Cashing in is real quick, and you only have to wait for two confirms.  So if you see a tournament you want to join in an hour, you can just cash in with the buyin and be pretty sure it'll be there when you need it.

Keeping your entire roll on the site is like keeping it on an online wallet.  Frankly, it's actually safer than most online wallets, which have repeatedly been shown to keep all their coin online in a hot wallet.  Seals has its house funds mostly in cold storage offline, much safer.  I'm not sure how much is in their hot wallet, and they probably shouldn't be very open about that, but funds are safer on Seals than on blockchain.  IMO.

But there's always the possibility you won't be able to access it for possibly lengthy periods of time.

So you should always have the bulk of your roll offline, in a wallet entirely under your own control.

I personally only keep online something like three times the max buyin I'll play.  The rest is offline.  (That's currently just .15BTC, what I have on Seals right now, 100 chips on Seals itself and 50 on the bet bot.)

Do this and you'll never be panicking at some bullshit outage.  (As for clients, I recommend Multibit but YMMV.  I can't see the point in most users having the reference client and a complete copy of the now absurdly-bloated blockchain.)