Topic: SealsWithClubs.eu | Largest Bitcoin Poker Site | No Banking | Fast Cashouts - page 78. (Read 1404024 times)

Seals has to make cuts because the site is not growing. And to be honest, its not going to grow. Why? The software. The software they are using is for PLAY money. It was not meant to be used for REAL money and or Bitcoin. I mean the software cost what, $600? You don't get much for $600 and it shows. The RNG is a total joke. What are the odds of seeing constant quads, straights, flush and trips? Well on Seals its every game. On multiple occasions I have see quads 3-4 times at a table within minutes. Random? I think not. Now if they would ditch this software for better software they would have a better site and bring in more traffic I think.

There may be 300 logins but 250 of them are waiting for the 66 freeroll.

Redcution in the rakeback really wouldn't be felt as heavily as the krillrolls being reduced and frequency of them running being reduced,  as players get almost nothing to 10k krill in rakeback  and 10 percent rakeback from 10k krill to 50k krill.  People at 100k krill would feel reductions perhaps.  Live and learn though is the lesson I am taking away here. I have been on the site for one and a half years pretty sure I know how the site works.  The krillroll business  is really a punch in the gut no matter how long the pissing contest will be or how much  sugar coating  ensues . I think if you wanted to you would see how the players feel they are getting screwed as I have explained it previously,  but the blinders aren't permitting you. I am not looking at things in the right perspective is the answer I have received maybe its time to up the dosage in the koolaid.

Thanks Dabs.  The ones that have been around for years and observed our moves seem to understand us.


I think if you look back through this thread, as SwC has grown we have made changes by listening to our players.  I feel the loyalty we now have from our players was well earned.  This is not an easy project to maintain, it requires many brains from around the globe consistently dedicating their time. 

While there are no changes planned for the krill system at present time, I want to be as up front as possible saying that there very likely will be in the future.  I cannot see a change where long time SwC players feel "screwed" at the new rules.  IMO the rakeback portion of the krill system is most profitable to the player, not the krill rolls.  A reduction in that part would be a slap in the face to long time loyal players, and I cannot see us doing that. 

 Off course seals can whim and absolutely change as it sees fit as can any site . The loyalty that seals mgmt worked so hard and achieved in its efforts can be gone in a whim as well. I appreciate Micon at least engaging in a discussion before implementing any DRASTIC changes.

Well, SwC has been around for a long time. Even if I don't play here often, that's a good indication of it's stability. Sure, you can't invest in it like some other dice sites, but they have a good reputation for not disappearing with your BTC and fixing issues.

The totally free coins "cost you" only because you personally view it as such.  Se absolutely can say when we change our krill program in any way.  It seems over time we will make changes that some like and some don't like.  It is important to remember that we have not announced any changes to the system.  I use this thread and other venues to get player feedback about things I plan on changing in the future.  So far this is nothing more than a discussion, no changes of any sort have been discussed with ST6. 


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1) this characterization is wholly untrue.  http://www.pokerscout.com/SiteDetail.aspx?site=SealswithClubs&ab=503312442    Flat-ish for 4 months, through the WSOP, seems to me always ~300+ on during 2014.

2) Humans seem uninterested to play btc poker when the relative price goes down.  they seem to be extra-interested in playing bitcoin poker when the price skyrockets.  But, through it all, there is always games, maybe not 30 tables of cash, only 22 when the price falls.  These types of things seemingly will always be this way, and simply scale as we grow. 

3) "How to grow SwC"  It starts with security, security, security.  When we are ready to scale you will all know   We have plans, we go slow, it's kept the bitcoins safe so far thus we keep same methodology.  I want SwC bigger and badder really fast as well.  I will be antsy as I wait too.  ST6 has always delivered, and never makes time guarantees.  I am the one that guesses poorly.  It sucks to wait, but right now that's the play.  I promise we are building hard.

Of course...

I think the main point is missed here Micon.  The site has somewhat dried up.  Why?  Originally it was Bitcoin falling from 1000 to 400.  It has now slightly recovered to a steady 600.  Is Seals dependent on Bitcoin price or can it survive on its own?  How do you increase traffic?  We like it more.  You like it more.  $.

Those totally free coins that are given out in krillrolls cost me a pretty penny to reach. In the last 3 months prior to making sly seal I raked 1 full bitcoin for the site while getting 100 chips rakeback. I only did it to reach the 50k krill roll you can bet your bathrobe I wouldn't have krilled so hard if I had any inkling that  the site was whiming it.  150 or so players have reached the 50k gold level since 1 year ago and im pretty sure those players raked more then the site gave away.

The 50k krillroll has been on for the 1 and a half years I have been playing so there was no reason to see it as a whim feature as you call it. You can go ahed and take it away as you please but then don't be shocked by loyal player outrage when you do.

The only reason to change up the krill rolls is because there are no new players driving the rake  as the player pool is made up of the same loyal players.  A greedy site would scale back the current krillrolls   put the player pool back at zero and reap the rewards  of introducing a new rake system while nullifying or significantly decreasing the old one that the player sweated blood to get to and guess what?

Sorry to keep beating a dead horse but you can't say you are changing krillrolls on a whim after running them for 1 and a half years after players again killed themselves to get to the highest level. Had the krillrolls constantly changed this would be a moot discussion. You are really insulting players by making these types of whim statements. I don't think any misinformation is being given in the lobby. It was you after all who stated that krillrolls in your opinion should be run less often and for less prizes while top 10 rakers should play for multiple coins  next 50 players top krilling for 1 bitcoin and then next 200 for a lesser prize.  I hope you can see why this is more then disappointing to the majority of your player pool.

So far no change.  Simply a discussion.  I see there has been some loud misinformation about this subject, but it's easy to see the Krillrolls are still swirling around the lobby.

Remember when discussing totally free coins SwC ships back to players each month, we reserve the right to alter the program as we see fit.  I can say with a large degree of confidence the krill-based rakeback scheme, arguably way more valuable than the player's equity in the krill-rolls, will stay as stated for as long as I can envision into the future.  Krill is something that will be expanded, i.e. we are going to get sick with it - And I promise that my influence at SwC will always be aimed at lower rakes as we scale, with extremely fun, innovative, and player-profitable incentives.

Yah, nowadays 100 seals chips would be worth about 55USD, you can imagine that this giveaway was something from more than 2 years ago.  I joined seals 2 years ago and I didn't get 100 free chips even back then.

the giveaway wasnt even going on when i joined the forums lol where do you even see that? its not on first page

Can I get my free 100 chips? User: GusterG

If the offer was discontinued somewhere along the 130+ pages of discussion, kindly ignore!

I would bet he meant "two IDs on one computer".  But I still dont quite understand the question.

What does this mean?  Can you rephrase, I don't understand. 

why you allow to play to id in one computer ?

Think I missed something.  I guess the krillrolls are getting taken away or shortened or something...

I know I felt screwed when I finally got enough krill to get into the 500krillroll back in the day and think like 1 week later they made the lowest krillroll be the 1.25K.  Basically, I guess we have to heed Micon's words: I giveth and I taketh away.  What's sad to me is that the early users and legacy accounts don't get any grandfathered priviledges.  What about some loyalty to those who have been with you for so long, SwC?  Don't you love us back?

You can't really slap someone in the face with Bitcoin though, kinda the point of Bitcoin...

Micon I got your message thanks for that.