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Quote from: hyudien on December 03, 2021, 02:06:13 PM

Is this the thread you mean? https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/4444sportcom-sports-live-betting-10000-daily-events-5375271
you should contact the owner of the account and try to complain about what you are experiencing regarding the problem. Or why not reply directly to the thread instead of creating a new thread if the problem stems from the post. Send him a PM to provide a solution.

If you include a lot of valid evidence, you can file it in the fraud allegations thread. And don't let this go on for too long. Therefore, when you want to bet, try to do some research because on this forum there are many choices of casinos that have a good reputation and respond to problems experienced by their users.

I'm not a representative of any casino, so just a suggestion that might help you.

I agree, but it's mandatory to have some research before making any deposit on any site. There are different blogs, websites, and expert opinions which can guide us that either making any deposit on any particular site would be safe or not? We can't blame any website for committing any fraud if we haven't completed our homework against it. However if still faces any of such fraud experiences. I would suggest you to post it in the fraud allegations thread, as this may help to protect many new users to become a fraud of those scam sites.

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on December 10, 2021, 08:38:52 PM

Here is the summary :

brassnuts : I can't withdraw my winnings.

4444sport.com : We need to verify all your bets, it took 72 hours.

brassnuts : But it's already over 72 hours.

4444sport.com away. After he got several negative trust and flagged he come back.

4444sport.com : Okay, so our system detect you're cheating our casino and you broke our TOS.

Lol lame excuses, they thought when they delete other user posts the accusations is already over. But after got several negative trust and flagged, they decide to accuse their victim broke other rules... to make they're correct.

This situation actually looks quite unfavorable for 4444sport. Unfortunately, not giving specific reasons or even evidence that the rules have been violated will also be a big problem for the bookmaker. If he does not change his policy, it is very likely that the community will have a similar opinion as about 1xbit.

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Quote from: rodskee on December 11, 2021, 08:31:17 PM

Quote from: Jawhead999 on December 10, 2021, 08:38:52 PM

Here is the summary :

brassnuts : I can't withdraw my winnings.

4444sport.com : We need to verify all your bets, it took 72 hours.

brassnuts : But it's already over 72 hours.

4444sport.com away. After he got several negative trust and flagged he come back.

4444sport.com : Okay, so our system detect you're cheating our casino and you broke our TOS.

Lol lame excuses, they thought when they delete other user posts the accusations is already over. But after got several negative trust and flagged, they decide to accuse their victim broke other rules... to make they're correct.

What's new with that mate , They even hate when you post formal and good advise in their thread telling that it is Out of Topic when they clearly ask for community suggestion and opinion.
they are truly a scam site that pretend to be legit but in the end cases pointing to tehir attitude as a bad gambling site and not to be trusted.
and it is good that i did not even try to deposit when at first i almost fell when i created an account and find their site good to start .

As usual. If i see self-moderated thread - i even don`t try to read this. May be i will lose some opportunity, but my money will be safe.
In the 4444sport thread we see classic mistakes of the scam: self-moderated thread, removing negative posts.
In this situation the community help attracted attention to one more scam thread but i don`t think that it can help OP to return his money back. The best choice even not to try to win the cheater.

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on December 10, 2021, 08:38:52 PM

Here is the summary :

brassnuts : I can't withdraw my winnings.

4444sport.com : We need to verify all your bets, it took 72 hours.

brassnuts : But it's already over 72 hours.

4444sport.com away. After he got several negative trust and flagged he come back.

4444sport.com : Okay, so our system detect you're cheating our casino and you broke our TOS.

Lol lame excuses, they thought when they delete other user posts the accusations is already over. But after got several negative trust and flagged, they decide to accuse their victim broke other rules... to make they're correct.

What's new with that mate , They even hate when you post formal and good advise in their thread telling that it is Out of Topic when they clearly ask for community suggestion and opinion.
they are truly a scam site that pretend to be legit but in the end cases pointing to tehir attitude as a bad gambling site and not to be trusted.
and it is good that i did not even try to deposit when at first i almost fell when i created an account and find their site good to start .

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on December 10, 2021, 08:38:52 PM

Here is the summary :

brassnuts : I can't withdraw my winnings.
4444sport.com : We need to verify all your bets, it took 72 hours.
brassnuts : But it's already over 72 hours.
4444sport.com away. After he got several negative trust and flagged he come back.
4444sport.com : Okay, so our system detect you're cheating our casino and you broke our TOS.

Lol lame excuses, they thought when they delete other user posts the accusations is already over. But after got several negative trust and flagged, they decide to accuse their victim broke other rules... to make they're correct.

This is an old school scenario from scammers, first they are delaying payment for verification then accusing the player did something against the ToS. It is fine to check bets for further verification, but accusing players breaking the rules or cheating without any single proof is unacceptable practice. What 4444sports did by deleting posts is just another proof that they cant be trusted.

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on December 10, 2021, 08:38:52 PM

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Lol lame excuses, they thought when they delete other user posts the accusations is already over. But after got several negative trust and flagged, they decide to accuse their victim broke other rules... to make they're correct.

That's such a loophole because they don't have an excuse, self-moderated thread as of now has been still recovered those replies and comments through Tryninja's website. It's completely nonsense that they created a self-moderated thread.

I saw this topic days ago and I didn't know if brassnuts was provided solid proof or the 4444sport.com have a valid proof also that this brassnuts really violate the TOS. Self moderated thread should not be applied on the announcement thread, it should be transparent to the other either you have been accused or abused. The truth will always disclose with a valid proof of course.

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Here is the summary :

brassnuts : I can't withdraw my winnings.

4444sport.com : We need to verify all your bets, it took 72 hours.

brassnuts : But it's already over 72 hours.

4444sport.com away. After he got several negative trust and flagged he come back.

4444sport.com : Okay, so our system detect you're cheating our casino and you broke our TOS.

Lol lame excuses, they thought when they delete other user posts the accusations is already over. But after got several negative trust and flagged, they decide to accuse their victim broke other rules... to make they're correct.

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Quote from: Cryptock on December 10, 2021, 04:47:30 AM

Quote from: michellee on December 10, 2021, 03:34:41 AM

Quote from: Reatim on December 09, 2021, 08:13:48 PM

Never deal with a gambling site either sports or casino that has Self Moderated threads here , because they are using to be moderating the thread because of the attacks but if you are not hiding anything then sure they will just ignore those attacks and answer only legitimate questions.
this is an obvious wat of preventing issues arise against their site and this will end up hiding the reality .
just like the 444casino that has recently being question because they locked their old thred and create another one in which self moderated after some players has an issue about withdrawals.

Indeed. Many other gambling sites here, whether it is a new or old gambling site, allow us to play gambling and we will not have a problem if we follow their rule. If they still use Self Moderated threads but do not change their habit, users can create a new thread to tell their problem so hopefully, that can attract the attention of the others and the casino itself would be aware of the problem. But that is only if the casino has good efforts to solve every player's problem.

The most important thing is that the casino has good intentions. If the casino is fair, it's no problem to have a self-moderated thread. However, in this case it may unfortunately be about silencing all those who will be submitting issues.

As many others say, if the casino does that, it will look suspicious because they can delete any comments or complaints, especially if they have a problem. If the casino is fair, they do not have to be self-moderated instead, let it open and transparent to the public to know that they are trying to build trust. Moreover, the trust will be connected to the reputations of the casino shortly. If the casino is trying to figure out every problem that comes to them and fix it, people will see how they work hard to manage and help people.

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Quote from: bitterguy28 on December 10, 2021, 05:37:45 AM

There are too many posts deleted in that Gambling site and since they created a self moderated thread, i prevent my self from posting because i will going to question their capacity to answer questions and it looks like they have no power and that same reason why they wanna hide in self moderated thread.

Yeah, it would seem a lot of self-moderated threads are spawning grounds for petty scams and dubious schemes. I would keep away from such threads because there needs to be somebody or a group of somebodies who are trustworthy enough so that you can be certain you can trust them so you most likely won't lose your time and money. Some things look too good to be true and some things are very obviously risky at the get-go.

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Quote from: panjul07 on December 09, 2021, 02:58:05 PM

Quote from: mak013 on December 09, 2021, 02:01:31 PM

If you see self-moderated thread - this is mostly scam.

You cant generalize it, not all self moderated are bad or scam.
It depends on how the thread opener use it, sometime there are some trolling posts, FUD, or baseless accusation that need to be deleted so the self-moderated feature is good for this purpose.
In this case 4444sports do it very bad, they are abusing the feature of self moderated thread to delete posts as they wish.

You quoted just a part of my message. I agree, that not all self-moderated threads are the scam, it said even in quoted part of message. Sometimes this is wrong and we can find a thread, that self-moderated just fo keep it cleen.
And than there is another part of message,

Quote from: mak013 on December 09, 2021, 02:01:31 PM

If you want to spent your time - read this thread, trying to find negative posts warning about scam. I`m sure - you willn`t find such posts, or 1-2 from newbie accounts.

that helps to understand is the thread is scam.

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Quote from: btc78 on December 10, 2021, 05:32:55 AM

Quote from: Cryptock on December 10, 2021, 04:47:30 AM

Quote from: michellee on December 10, 2021, 03:34:41 AM

Quote from: Reatim on December 09, 2021, 08:13:48 PM

Never deal with a gambling site either sports or casino that has Self Moderated threads here , because they are using to be moderating the thread because of the attacks but if you are not hiding anything then sure they will just ignore those attacks and answer only legitimate questions.
this is an obvious wat of preventing issues arise against their site and this will end up hiding the reality .
just like the 444casino that has recently being question because they locked their old thred and create another one in which self moderated after some players has an issue about withdrawals.

Indeed. Many other gambling sites here, whether it is a new or old gambling site, allow us to play gambling and we will not have a problem if we follow their rule. If they still use Self Moderated threads but do not change their habit, users can create a new thread to tell their problem so hopefully, that can attract the attention of the others and the casino itself would be aware of the problem. But that is only if the casino has good efforts to solve every player's problem.

The most important thing is that the casino has good intentions. If the casino is fair, it's no problem to have a self-moderated thread. However, in this case it may unfortunately be about silencing all those who will be submitting issues.

Why would a casino that has good intention created a Self moderated thread? give me a valid reason for what can be the reason?

if the casino is fair they need no Moderation in their thread because even their players will attest or stand for them and prove the accusations wrong .

the problem is those who are making their thread moderated because they cannot totally defend their position and that is why they wanted to delete posts that will go against them and that is why there are many of them that has this strategy and never do business with those, and besides why need when you can choose other site that has no total cases?

The reason may be perfectly normal, just to keep the conversation in order and defend against attacks by forum trolls.
That's what such an option on this forum is for.
However, as I wrote, in this case everything indicates that the reason for creating a self-moderated thread is unfortunately completely different.

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There are too many posts deleted in that Gambling site and since they created a self moderated thread, i prevent my self from posting because i will going to question their capacity to answer questions and it looks like they have no power and that same reason why they wanna hide in self moderated thread.

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Quote from: Cryptock on December 10, 2021, 04:47:30 AM

Quote from: michellee on December 10, 2021, 03:34:41 AM

Quote from: Reatim on December 09, 2021, 08:13:48 PM

Never deal with a gambling site either sports or casino that has Self Moderated threads here , because they are using to be moderating the thread because of the attacks but if you are not hiding anything then sure they will just ignore those attacks and answer only legitimate questions.
this is an obvious wat of preventing issues arise against their site and this will end up hiding the reality .
just like the 444casino that has recently being question because they locked their old thred and create another one in which self moderated after some players has an issue about withdrawals.

Indeed. Many other gambling sites here, whether it is a new or old gambling site, allow us to play gambling and we will not have a problem if we follow their rule. If they still use Self Moderated threads but do not change their habit, users can create a new thread to tell their problem so hopefully, that can attract the attention of the others and the casino itself would be aware of the problem. But that is only if the casino has good efforts to solve every player's problem.

The most important thing is that the casino has good intentions. If the casino is fair, it's no problem to have a self-moderated thread. However, in this case it may unfortunately be about silencing all those who will be submitting issues.

Why would a casino that has good intention created a Self moderated thread? give me a valid reason for what can be the reason?

if the casino is fair they need no Moderation in their thread because even their players will attest or stand for them and prove the accusations wrong .

the problem is those who are making their thread moderated because they cannot totally defend their position and that is why they wanted to delete posts that will go against them and that is why there are many of them that has this strategy and never do business with those, and besides why need when you can choose other site that has no total cases?

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Quote from: michellee on December 10, 2021, 03:34:41 AM

Quote from: Reatim on December 09, 2021, 08:13:48 PM

Never deal with a gambling site either sports or casino that has Self Moderated threads here , because they are using to be moderating the thread because of the attacks but if you are not hiding anything then sure they will just ignore those attacks and answer only legitimate questions.
this is an obvious wat of preventing issues arise against their site and this will end up hiding the reality .
just like the 444casino that has recently being question because they locked their old thred and create another one in which self moderated after some players has an issue about withdrawals.

Indeed. Many other gambling sites here, whether it is a new or old gambling site, allow us to play gambling and we will not have a problem if we follow their rule. If they still use Self Moderated threads but do not change their habit, users can create a new thread to tell their problem so hopefully, that can attract the attention of the others and the casino itself would be aware of the problem. But that is only if the casino has good efforts to solve every player's problem.

The most important thing is that the casino has good intentions. If the casino is fair, it's no problem to have a self-moderated thread. However, in this case it may unfortunately be about silencing all those who will be submitting issues.

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Quote from: Reatim on December 09, 2021, 08:13:48 PM

Never deal with a gambling site either sports or casino that has Self Moderated threads here , because they are using to be moderating the thread because of the attacks but if you are not hiding anything then sure they will just ignore those attacks and answer only legitimate questions.
this is an obvious wat of preventing issues arise against their site and this will end up hiding the reality .
just like the 444casino that has recently being question because they locked their old thred and create another one in which self moderated after some players has an issue about withdrawals.

Indeed. Many other gambling sites here, whether it is a new or old gambling site, allow us to play gambling and we will not have a problem if we follow their rule. If they still use Self Moderated threads but do not change their habit, users can create a new thread to tell their problem so hopefully, that can attract the attention of the others and the casino itself would be aware of the problem. But that is only if the casino has good efforts to solve every player's problem.

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Quote from: Reatim on December 09, 2021, 08:13:48 PM

Quote from: brassnuts on December 03, 2021, 01:39:18 PM

Hello,

I'm wondering if the subject of self moderated threads for brand new sites has been discussed on this board before? If so, can anyone point me to it or to some information about any conclusions that were reached?

The obvious problem with this system is that so many cryptocurrency betting sites are just scams. I know it, you know it, we all know it. Perhaps more than 50% are just straight up exit scams, waiting for the opportune time to anonymously jump ship.

Now, I have had an issue with 4444sport recently where they simply delete any attempt at communication from their 3rd thread in as many weeks. Effectively they can completely remove any legitimate complaints and have the appearance of a normal, fair book. They are no such thing, it is quite clear. Even more worrying is the fact that once all negativity is removed unsuspecting forum users may end up depositing on these type of websites and just pour their money down the drain, entirely enabled by the self moderated thread system here on this board.

This is an extraordinarily serious issue and should absolutely be looked at hastily.

I hope my point is clear and you understand how dangerous self moderated threads are, particularly for sites with limited history and reputation.

Never deal with a gambling site either sports or casino that has Self Moderated threads here , because they are using to be moderating the thread because of the attacks but if you are not hiding anything then sure they will just ignore those attacks and answer only legitimate questions.
this is an obvious wat of preventing issues arise against their site and this will end up hiding the reality .
just like the 444casino that has recently being question because they locked their old thred and create another one in which self moderated after some players has an issue about withdrawals.

If I'm not mistaken this is one of the thread you are referring ?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/4444sportcom-sports-live-betting-10000-daily-events-5375271

because i also followed this thread when they first come here in forum and having a good conversation in their part, but just few days ago after several questions from the withdraws then they suddenly change the thread into self moderated and now deleted almost 40 posts already from 15 persons.

this is not a good way when i checked the deleted posts valuable and not foul towards their site.

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Quote from: brassnuts on December 03, 2021, 01:39:18 PM

Hello,

I'm wondering if the subject of self moderated threads for brand new sites has been discussed on this board before? If so, can anyone point me to it or to some information about any conclusions that were reached?

The obvious problem with this system is that so many cryptocurrency betting sites are just scams. I know it, you know it, we all know it. Perhaps more than 50% are just straight up exit scams, waiting for the opportune time to anonymously jump ship.

Now, I have had an issue with 4444sport recently where they simply delete any attempt at communication from their 3rd thread in as many weeks. Effectively they can completely remove any legitimate complaints and have the appearance of a normal, fair book. They are no such thing, it is quite clear. Even more worrying is the fact that once all negativity is removed unsuspecting forum users may end up depositing on these type of websites and just pour their money down the drain, entirely enabled by the self moderated thread system here on this board.

This is an extraordinarily serious issue and should absolutely be looked at hastily.

I hope my point is clear and you understand how dangerous self moderated threads are, particularly for sites with limited history and reputation.

Never deal with a gambling site either sports or casino that has Self Moderated threads here , because they are using to be moderating the thread because of the attacks but if you are not hiding anything then sure they will just ignore those attacks and answer only legitimate questions.
this is an obvious wat of preventing issues arise against their site and this will end up hiding the reality .
just like the 444casino that has recently being question because they locked their old thred and create another one in which self moderated after some players has an issue about withdrawals.

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Quote from: Haunebu on December 09, 2021, 03:10:24 PM

Quote from: YinShuiSiYuan on December 09, 2021, 03:41:32 AM

What you have mentioned for sure can be basis for a closer look at the bets. In 1xbit, for example, scammers take advantage of the delay in updating the results on live betting, but probably there are more ways.

Bad example. You do realise that 1xbit itself is a scam site, don't you? I do agree that some scammers tried to scam 1xbit over time, but this is basically a case of robbers trying to steal from other robbers.

My point is that every bookmaker has the right to check the bets of each user if they seem suspicious to him. This is guaranteed by the rules to which everyone who decides to use the service agrees. The reasons may be different, the example I have given has no importance in this case.

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Quote from: Ryker1 on December 09, 2021, 03:17:18 PM

Besides, their accuse will not be proven if they don't have solid proof, and that way you can depend on yourself, and creating a self-moderated thread is not a good idea which looks bad in your place.

I partially agree with you. Self-moderated threads do infact make you look like you are hiding something, but they aren't completely useless. They help filter out trash posts which usually don't add anything constructive to the ongoing discussion.

Very few sites open self-moderated threads in this forum because they are aware of the fact that they could be suspected for various reasons which is the smart move.

Sites like 4444sports which abuse this particular feature will easily be noticed in a negative light by members of this forum.

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Quote from: panjul07 on December 09, 2021, 02:58:05 PM

Quote from: mak013 on December 09, 2021, 02:01:31 PM

If you see self-moderated thread - this is mostly scam.

You cant generalize it, not all self moderated are bad or scam.
It depends on how the thread opener use it, sometime there are some trolling posts, FUD, or baseless accusation that need to be deleted so the self-moderated feature is good for this purpose.
In this case 4444sports do it very bad, they are abusing the feature of self moderated thread to delete posts as they wish.

Well, I disagree with your opinion --it should have transparency and not delete the post that they don't want as they wish.
It is normal in a gambling business because that is a part of a competition, FUD or fake news are simply very common and all you have to do is depend on yourself or ignore them. As long as you are doing it right, users may be on your side and not on the FUDs, scammers, and fraudsters. Besides, their accuse will not be proven if they don't have solid proof, and that way you can depend on yourself, and creating a self-moderated thread is not a good idea which looks bad in your place.

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