Topic: Self Moderated Thread for New Books - page 3. (Read 802 times)

Bad example. You do realise that 1xbit itself is a scam site, don't you? I do agree that some scammers tried to scam 1xbit over time, but this is basically a case of robbers trying to steal from other robbers.

Agreed. 4444sports didn't bother paying out the winners in their recent contests in the games and rounds section too which makes them seem even more shady currently.

You cant generalize it, not all self moderated are bad or scam.
It depends on how the thread opener use it, sometime there are some trolling posts, FUD, or baseless accusation that need to be deleted so the self-moderated feature is good for this purpose.
In this case 4444sports do it very bad, they are abusing the feature of self moderated thread to delete posts as they wish.

If you see self-moderated thread - this is mostly scam. If you want to spent your time - read this thread, trying to find negative posts warning about scam. I`m sure - you willn`t find such posts, or 1-2 from newbie accounts.
And under the thread name you can see how many posts were deleted, in 4444sport.com thread - it looks so: (39 posts by 15 users with 1 merit deleted.)
Don`t even try to find the truth in such threads, it is impossible.

How convenient .
User cheated while betting on the biggest football leagues?
What a lame excuse.

It is true and it would be fair for both party. Accusing someone should be proved by evidence.  In all other cases, players need to provide evidence(s) when they face an issue with a specific platform. It wont be fair if casino can accuse player as cheater by words only without single proof. I'm wondering since the player made hundreds bets, are all those bets considered as cheating? How about other players who bet on the same markets as him, are all players affected?

That's so convenient for you, isn't it? Unfortunately we have no way of verifying your claims other than by your word. The thing is, you are a brand new casino here with no reputation, so your word doesn't carry much weight. In addition, you tend to censor excessively in your self-moderated thread and have a negative attitude towards the community, which is why I am inclined to doubt your claims.


Unless you claim that making a fair profit at your casino is impossible, this is not a valid argument.

There is nothing to inspect or verify. It's all just a load of rubbish from a scam site.

The bets I placed were about 65% pre match 1x2 or O/U markets, and about 35% live 1x2 or O/U. All on soccer markets in the worlds biggest leagues.

I am 100% sure that while 4444 are still an active company that they will happily take depositors money but as soon as someone wins some money, which can happen in this industry believe it or not, they will just call shenanigans and proceed to steal whatever they can.

The only other user who has posted about any sort of experience on this site is 'younger41' and the exact same situation happened to him. So far this site has a 100% scam record in regards to activity from users on this forum.

I didn't mean any particular situation. Simply put, the bookmaker has the right to check whether there has been any cheating and that's it. I think if they has suspicions they can just check it out.
What you have mentioned for sure can be basis for a closer look at the bets. In 1xbit, for example, scammers take advantage of the delay in updating the results on live betting, but probably there are more ways.

Enlighten me about the kind of "doubts" you are talking about because sportsbook odds are given to them by 3rd party services.

You can't just walk up and inspect anyone's bet because usually there is nothing to inspect in the first place (with the exceptions of: checking for money laundering, arbitrage betting, and other kinds of fraud or grey area stuff).


Lol. If they had a real problem with cheating, a sane casino would've patched that security hole so that more of their precious time in maintenance doesn't get wasted on problems they already found. Not waste time banning accounts like these guys are doing now.

No table tennis bets at all. Every bet was a big soccer league in a high liquidity market. I am happy to post my bets.

Incidentally their Costa Rican license is completely fake.

Can you tell if you were betting on live betting? If so, what were the sports?
Did you bet on point advantages in live table tennis in the last seconds of the match?

I rarely suggest this since it would take some of their time and I am not sure if they would agree, but if you are afraid of showing some confidential/technical details to the public, you can try and ask some reputable members here in the forum to review the evidence you have that pins brassnuts actually cheated your website.

The user did not cheat. The user bet only on big markets. The user was value betting. It is not the fault of the user, it is the fault of the absolute incompetency of your sports betting site.

I finally received my first ever email from 4444sport since I registered. Unfortunately it's telling me that they're closing my account, and they'll be keeping the funds I deposited for the 'damages' that I've caused. I'm not sure what I damaged, but it must of hurt, considering I deposited $800. No explanation is given. A simple message that I cheated and they're taking the lot. A complete scam.

This user cheated on our site. We can not enclose any technical details, since other people would be able to cheat as well on this.
I think everybody already suspected this, since the user made sure he turned 800$ into 5500$.
We faced damage from this cheating behaviour from customers, to the amount from user Brassnuts has been confiscated.


Please check section 3.1 E in our Terms:
Suspend and/or cancel the participation of the Account Holder in the Services, and/or forfeit and/or confiscate funds available on their 4444sport Account if the Account Holder is found cheating, or if it is determined by 4444sport that the Account Holder has employed or made use of a system (including machines, robots, computers, software or any other automated system) designed to defeat or capable of defeating the Client Application and/or Software.

I deposited $800 and managed to turn it into around $5000. I ran hot on my big bets. I am not surprised they want to stop me withdrawing as it's a big hit to a new book, and from what some one mentioned to me, this book probably does not even have that much money to send to me. So in a way I had some sympathy at the time, but I have none now as they communicated with me on one occasion and have completely ceased since.

There was nothing fishy about my bets fwiw. I can post all of them on here.

By the way, would you mind to share how much is your pending withdrawal? Is it something really big or not that big? I cant understand why they take so long time to verify all your bets. I know you made hundreds bets (as what they claim), but I do not think all those bets need to be verified. It is reasonable to verify some but it seems they are verifying all (in case they are doing it).

When I went to make a scam thread there was already one up warning others to be cautious with 4444. The thread gained some traction and the 4444 thread now has a warning flag and the OP has a lot of negative trust now. It's the best we can do atm it seems.

EDIT: The thread is here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/warning-avoid-4444sportcom-until-they-change-their-behavior-5375673

It is all good and well that we can create scam accusations threads, but the question is... "Do anyone visit the scam accusation section"? They will go to the gambling section of this forum to look for new sites and they will see a "cleansed" version of the thread for that casino.

People should rather "report" the OP of those threads ..so that they could be "red flagged" when people visit those threads. (The red trust will make people think twice, before they accept anything that they see in that thread.)

You should still open a scam accusation thread .. because the person might search or Google the "site + scam" and find your thread. Just make sure you are 100% sure of your facts, before you open that thread.. because people will scrutinize it. Some people misuse that section because they lost a lot of money and they want to burn the reputation of the casino where they lost the money.. or competitors will use Alts to eliminate the competition. 

It's the cons of a self-moderated thread. The moderator can do whatever they want from their thread and that includes deleting all the negative feedbacks and complaints to them. It's pretty much common. Everything that they see that they don't like or which seems to be not fit in the thread, they will remove it in an instant without you having to do anything with it because their thread, their rules apparently.

Now, if that thread has been proven to be harmful and spreads fake news or whatnots and you feel like it violates your right as a member in this forum, I suggest you escalate it to those who has the power to investigate the issue. I think even self-moderated thread can still be investigated upon most especially if it really overtakes its boundaries. You can post in scams and accusations together with your evidences that they keep on doing what you are claiming to do, and it affects you and others negatively. I think they can make some action for that. But really, that's what we will really usually get with self-moderated threads here. It could be a bit off, unfair, and offensive, most especially if you are raising a complaint or you just want to make other people aware of the disadvantages, but that's it. Just do necessary actions if you feel like doing so. I guess other people have done that as well before up until today. You may check out the board I just gave.