Topic: Self-moderated topics - nice feature or should it get banned? (Read 912 times)

I have nothing against self-moderated topics on the forum, as long as the topic is clearly marked as such, and the rules of conduct are clearly stated. Self-moderated topics can significantly improve forum moderation and the fight against spammers. For example, when we report a post as off-topic spam, I imagine that the moderators have to spend a good amount of time deciding whether the report is justified and whether they should delete such a post. Self-moderated topics solve this problem, because in this case the decision rests with the creator of the topic.

Yes indeed, its a common thing like in basic law, its called the right to defense. Imagine only to not have the chance to count your part or we having to read and follow two threads for the same thing  .

About the other part, yes i think more users need to get involved about self moderate topics so we can see less spam and mega threads where they always said the same and are in a loop of the same response and nobody reads anything.

Probably @babo, @yahoo62278, @actmyname, @JollyGood, @DireWolfM14 and @FatFork also did not anticipate that their private communication will be exposed to public. This only shows, once more, what a scumbag TimeLord is. Only someone with very low morals would do something like that! Such gestures should only encourage more and more people to distrust this troll, with his both accounts.

I am all for self-moderated threads. In fact, I would go as far as to suggest forum users to self-moderate more of their threads if they don't mind the extra work (if it even comes to that).

It's an instant turn-off for spammers who will stay away if they know what self-moderated means. My guess is that most of them know. They tend to learn these things quickly but somehow can't learn how to become normal and valuable members of the forum. It's a great way to quickly delete off-topic replies or silent those that use your threads only to advertise their services or some website.

Certain boards and situations are big no-go. The reputation and scam accusation boards, for example. But even if self-moderated, our beloved scrappers will pick up the changes. I don't like seeing someone open a discussion about another person and self-moderating such a thread, or worse, preventing the accused person from replying.

Wow, just wow! You are the one lying here, pitiful troll.  
Instead of admitting your mistakes, you are doubling down and you keep spreading your lies against me.
Really looks like hope for betterment is wasted, for your case.
You will continue to be a liar, deranged troll and abusive imbecile.

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Your projections into my replies about a thing, which was never written there, are exclusively yours.  
Nothing contradicts my description of events.
When you've PMed me, I've always tried to stay as polite as possible but you can expect that when you are constantly asking nonsense questions, at some point, my reply will be similar to the quality of the questions you are asking me.
And when you are asking me that I should review and give my personal opinion on the following trusts, you've left:


Timelord2067's left feedback on GazetaBitcoin account (untrusted because to Timelord2067 got removed from DT).

Of course I'll point out that your judgement is completely flawed and that you are a disgusting perv. What do you expect, when you submit a feedback, where you call GazetaBitcoin a "RACIST" on it's account for no reason???
Honestly, how braindead are you?
You are sending me repeatedly bullshit PM's and then are you complaining, when the 4th or 5th reply back from me due to your repeated PM's hurts your feelings?
Maybe you should stop sending unsolicited PM's to me??
But no, you are even accusing me of sending you "paranoid PM's", while you are completely making up the story because we all can see the true version: you sent me several unsolicited PM's, I've been very friendly but at some point you are getting butthurt because I disagree on your deranged viewpoints?
You are truly a deranged clown.

And you should re-read and understand my past posts here properly before making up your own, wrong version.  

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LMAO, a PM is still unsolicited even if you are sending it to more people.
You reasoning makes no sense at all - include more people and a PM is automatically solicited - seriously?
A PM stays unsolicited, no matter how many people it is sent to. In addition I can add: mass unsolicited PM's are even more unsolicited.

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LOL, how detached from reality are you? Or are you lying so confidently that you really expect you are getting away with it?
You should have realized that basically the whole Reputation regulars disagreed on your deranged trust ratings, where you called GazetaBitcoin a RACIST for example:


Timelord2067's left feedback on GazetaBitcoin account (untrusted because to Timelord2067 got removed from DT).

Even LoyceV disagreed with how you are acting.
How obvious do you want it, that you realize how wrong you are?  


What do you expect when you ask me if your "racist" feedback on GazetaBitcoin's account is accurate?
Of course I will call you out for that sort of abuse.
My reply was very polite by just calling it "inappropriate, wrong and / or completely misleading". A perv like you should act a bit more discreetly. [LOL, insiders know where this reference comes from  ]
But when we are at it, let me express it once more, a bit less polite but more based on facts:
Your feedback is completely baseless, it's a braindead defamation, it's disgusting and needlessly offensive for no reason but I'm not even surprised because you are a deranged and pitiful troll who's incapable of admitting he's wrong.

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I don't need to apologize for anything because your accusations against me are straight out lies. You are the one who's at fault for sending me your unsolicited PMs, for you repeated lies, unjustified feedbacks on various accounts due to your recent trust abuse and now you are even doubling down on your misbehaviour.
Everyone can see that now, due to you publishing private information, one-sidedly and that's an anti-privacy offense as well. I might leave you another feedback for this abuse because doubling down on your lies shows, you have not learnt anything, neither you are willing to improve and now, you are even one-sidedly publishing PM's, which is a serious offense because people answering your PM's are of risk to get their privacy seriously violated.  
That's a really big abuse.

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LOL, you just admitted that you've sent mass unsolicited PM's to all of the above members?
Thanks for exposing yourself that you are the one here, who's guilty of what you've accused me of:


You are the one, who's sending mass unsolicited PM's to forum members.  
Hopefully you'll get reported for this because you truly deserve to get banned.  


In addition, you should stop littering my topic with off-topic lies!
And learn to quote properly!
You are througout disrespectful by typing such illiterate off-topic spam in my topic, in addition to your repeated lies against me + publishing private messages.
Shame, shame!


tl;dr
Adding


to our trust lists is a good idea.  

Is it because 10 hours offset?

Where can I change the timezone?


https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.18322816

What 1miau hasn't anticipated is that I sent the *exact* same PM simultaneously to @babo, @yahoo62278, @actmyname, @JollyGood, @DireWolfM14 and @1miau - I surprised no one picked up on the *exact* time of their PM from me corresponded to the one 1miau now dramatizes.



I had inadvertently left off @FatFork and sent them the identical message a little while later:



This is true - your two smiley faces indicate you appreciated being asked and gave responses in an open manor which contradicts your version of events:

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Let's just hit the pause button on the "discussion was settled" for a moment.

Yes, I replied to your first reply:



As we can see in this screen shot, each person I PM'ed received an identical or near identical reply - 1miau included.  Two respectful PM from me, the first a question, the second to thank them and one PM from them.  My second "unsolicited PM" was to thank you for responding to my first PM.

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True, here it is:



As you can see I sent the same word-for-word message to the others users mentioned.  While I haven't read line-for-line every thread in meta or reputation over the last couple of days, I don't recall anyone else who received these messages claiming them to be anything even remotely what you now claim them to be.

Further more, I had taken on board the observations others had made concerning the evidence I had relied upon.  I posted the additional information, changed from negative to neutral their trust feedbacks and removed my support of the two flags and have deleted 90% of my trust feedback and simply asked others (yourself included) to review the changes that I had made.

How deranged is that?  I did what you told me to do.

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This was your reply:



Gone was the respectful response and instead the accusations against me started.  (Paradoxically you merited the initial investigation which is what prompted me to ask for your opinion in the first place))

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1miau: Please apologize for having misled everyone who is reading this and admit you are misleading in what you are saying about me.  

I haven't posted all of our exchange - but for anyone who is still reading know this:  I responded respectfully to each confrontational message from 1miau and my last PM to 1miau was a polite request that they stop Trolling me.


If you will, but not on the basis of the lies being told by 1miau.

Thanks for reading.

We know it already, troll is a big issue. Troll and spam.
It is not always quick to report it to a moderator because sometimes moderator seems to be busy. Self moderation can fight troll or spam quick.

Self moderation is very good and efficient against troll and spam.

It's a nice features and it shouldn't be removed. Most of the arguments about self moderated topic being a bad thing is that the feature is abused by scammer, but the forum already have solution for that, the trust system and the scam accusation section. Checking sellers trust record is more efficient than thoroughly checking the replies on their service thread.

The only valid argument would be that it prevent freedom of speech, but really, if your post get deleted in someone else thread, just create your own topic and post your opinion there.

Again, you are openly lying.
I've explained in detail, that you've sent me unsolicited PM's in two acts, where you spammed my inbox and asked about your petty trust issues. Next time, I won't bother to reply to your unsolicited PM's as it's a waste of time anyways and now, you are also ungrateful for it, that I took some time to reply to your bullshit PM. 

At least everyone can see now that my feedback is true and you are indeed a malicious liar.


Yes, really sad that I've given you the benefit of doubt far too long. At least it's now clear to me that your judgement is totally flawed, that you are a disgusting liar and a stupid clown.
That's what people are getting from you if someone tries to be nice and helpful...

Nice from you, to show that for everyone what an ungrateful, trolling clown you are. 

~Timelord2067
and
~Timelord2o67

You have to laugh at 1miau - for all their hyperventilating over the last week trying to get others to DT distrust me with factually incorrect allegations concerning our PM exchange, 1miau themselves forgot to DT distrust me until only a couple of hours ago.

https://bpip.org/TrustLog?&trusting=1miau&trusted=timelord2067&chtype=All

Sad really.

I will not say that everyone that voted against self-moderation has negative intentions. They are just exercising their right to suggestions.
Adding to the existing discussion, before you post in any self-moderated thread, the forum has a way to notify you that such a thread is self-moderated. That if you do not wish to be moderated, consider not posting in the thread. I believe this settles the whole debate or argument. This is a free froum, if you want to moderate people, created a self-moderated thread. If you don't want to be moderated by anyone apart from moderators, avoid self moderated threads.

It is very true, his tactics are well known and easy to expose.
But I'm always surprised that he doesn't notice how his repeated trollings are achieving exactly the opposite of what he's trying to achieve:
Everytime he continues his ramblings, everytime he's spamming some more nonsense, he's digging his own hole deeper himself.
He doesn't notice how his repeated trolling and even doubling down on clear mistakes is making it obvious for everyone, how flawed his "arguments" really are. 
He has demonstrated to have lost touch with reality and abandoned any reasonable discussion again and again...

But after all the poll in our topic is pretty clear because I've expected no different result. 

1miau, it is useless to try to use a rational manner of speaking with the baboon. As you know well, the old perv is always bringing up some ridiculous ideas, taken out of context, but he assembles them in such a manner that if someone not knowing him is reading his imbecilities may be tempted, at first sight, to believe him.

However, the approach of the troll is very well known by most of forum users, thus his attempts are futile. If you want, in a way, he is just like c******unter. c******unter used, in his glorious days, to write all sort of idiocies, but he paid enough attention to touch OP's subject as well, thus his posts could not be (always) reported for being off-topic (and, therefore deleted). Apparently, c******unter was a sort of mentor for our village idiot named Timelord and now he applies what he learned from forum's (probably) greatest troll. However, sadly for him, he is years behind the skills of his mentor and all he does is to ridicule himself up to the point of being excluded from DT1.

Now, of course, his Neanderthal mind needs to fight back somehow. So, in-between some baseless accusations of racism, he hijacks various threads, trying to derail them. But no worry, the baboon is excluded by 15 DT1 users or so, thus his glory days here are over. Just ignore him.

Dude, your claim is wrong, again.
The comment you are referring to is where I’ve exposed a scammer, yokxashor and his scamsite "Bitconnext" ("next Bitconect").

In my topic, I've suggested to disable self-moderation for negatively trusted accounts having accumulated multiple negative trusts (clearly proven scammers):


My suggestion isn’t that different from what we’ve read in the replies here now, where some people already suggested to disable self-moderation for Newbie accounts. Disabling it for negatively trusted accounts would be a good idea as well (and that’s what I’ve suggested back then…).
I've said nowhere that self-moderation is overally a negative feature, my suggestion was about disabling it for proven scammers.
But you are trying to spread wrong claims again.

You should read my entire post before leaving an uneducated comment…

It's funny, just five years ago your thirteenth post (that survives) was identical to this thread where you had two of your posts deleted in a self moderated thread so you started that other thread to exact your revenge for two of your posts being deleted.

Abuse of self-moderation by scammers


Poor you.

Wow, so all what's left for you are lies against me?
Your accusations against me are not true at all.  
I've never sent you paranoid and / or unsolicited PM's!

But that's exactly what you've done, so let's shed some light on your unsolicited PM's, you've sent me recently:

First act:

June 06, 2023, 06:10:35 AM was when you (Timelord2067) started to write me an unsolicited PM, where you asked me a question about a DT flag. YOU started to spam me with unsolicited PM's!

Because I'm a honest person, I've answered your reply 3 hours later: June 06, 2023, 09:10:12 PM

But you've sent me a PM back, again an unsolicited PM on June 06, 2023, 10:00:09 PM
Discussion was settled, so no reply needed.

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Second act:

You've sent me again an unsolicited PM on June 09, 2023, 02:40:11 AM, where you asked me another question of your deranged trust issues.  
Because I'm a honest person, I've replied to you on June 09, 2023, 09:00:31 PM answering your question. Because your left trust on the established accounts in question (you wanted to shit on these accounts) I've been pretty clear, when I've expressed my opposition to your fraudulent left trust telling you that your left trust on these accounts is "inappropriate, wrong and / or completely misleading". After your massive misbehaviour I included a sentence, where I've condemned your perv activities.
Obviously, you felt offended as you've spammed me with another 4-5 PM's after that.
That included even more unsolicited PM spam, where you asked me to review your 3100+ left trust feedbacks, in a PM from June 09, 2023, 10:21:28 PM, where you asked me about it.
I've told you in my reply from June 09, 2023, 10:27:42 PM to open a topic in Reputation if you care about other people's opinions regarding your left feedbacks.  

But you've continued to spam me with unsolicited PM's:



Maybe I should have reported these right away as you are a disgusting troll and a waste of time.

While I've always tried to stay friendly, you've bombarded me back with unsolicited PM spam, asking even more questions (First act and second act).
My PM's always have been only a reaction to your unsolicited PM spam.

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tl;dr 1
You are the one sending me unsolicited PM's twice (First act and second act), you disgusting troll!
Maybe stop lying and stop trying to accuse me about things, you have been doing.  

You are untrustworthy and a disgusting scumbag.

tl;dr 2
Timelord2067 is a malicious liar, deliberately spreading wrong accusations.

Conclusion:
⁓Timelord2067

So you admit your PM to me was just a Troll post?

Your responses so far are proof positive why we need moderated threads to prevent trolls like you from detailing threads.

I'll place you on ignore so you don't send me more of your paranoid PM's

No, I don't sent any spam PM's on a "daily basis to LoyceV and others"
I'm not even sending spam PM's to LoyceV and others on a weekly basis.  
I'm not sending spam PM's to anyone.

We already know that you are a disgusting perv but now we know as well that you are a disgusting liar.  

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Twitter is a shit platform but that doesn't matter for your statement because it's now known, that you are a perv.  

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*big doubt*
Not sure at all if theymos really approves such fraudulent and scammy shitcoins.
Because let's be honest: this shitcoin serves no purpose other than being used (or not being used because it's really somehow useless) for shady perv activity. Like there are coins for travelling, the music industry, the farming industry, the car industry, the lifestyle industry and other "special purpose" coins (which is just a stupid excuse to launch an own coin, where devs are in control of the coin.  ).
These are useless shit coins, it's not even listed on Coinmarketcap...  
It's so ridiculous.

In the end, the only ones making money from such shady shitcoins are the devs and everyone will be left with worthless bags of shit coins.
So, very bold statement, perv.  

There's nothing weak in exposing your abuses: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62352496
It's public for everyone, remember that.  
You are the one looking weak here, when you are advertising for shit coins, spreading unproven rumours about theymos, spreading lies and spamming my topic with deranged off-topic.

So, no need to spam my topic with deranged off-topic.

That's very true, the shit-posters just want to post in any topic without any prior knowledge about the real thing, and if they get such treatment regularly then they will miss the signature campaign rewards at least from those posts. They mostly post to complete their weekly quota to gain signature rewards and that's the main reason for their posting, otherwise those people aren't here to help others. Someone who is truly devoted to the forum only posts to help others and share his/her honest opinion, and I believe that such members could provide valuable advice to the users who need the help most. While on the other hand the users who basically have no interest in a topic and post just for the purpose of the rewards won't be able to provide valuable advice to the users.

I'm quite sure that those users who are doing such thing would definitely want the function of self-moderation to be removed from the forum because such feature could cause many hurdles in their way. However, they don't really know that such feature is helpful to make the posts useful for the other users of the forum who basically want to learn about a topic in detail, and at the same time want to read the opinions of other members of the forum. I really don't care about those people who misuse this feature because such people will always find a way to do their negative activity, and removing a feature wont stop them from their habits. However, its removal could cause trouble for the members who don't allow spam or trolling activity on their posts.

I hope everyone who cares about the forum and is truly devoted to it, would love  the feature to remain on the forum, but those who want it to be removed will not be successful for sure. This forum has been helpful to everyone who used it with pure intentions, but the ones who tried to do any wrong activity has got the treatment they deserved. Those who help others with pure intentions will always get good responses and love in return because the forum is like a second family for us, and if we help our family then we will get the respect and good will in return.