Topic: Self-moderated topics - nice feature or should it get banned? - page 3. (Read 980 times)

Yes but its not true at all, if you do a proper research of what of with who you are talking or making a business, you are not gonna have any problem.

For example if anyone scam someone here, no matter if he delete the posts or threads, the person can open a acusaation thread or put a flag on that man.

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Well in gambling zone.... lot of spam and crap. This its one thread made by me, i know my english its not so good, but i clarify the main issue a lot of time, and the people keep coming and talking/post ton of nonsense. The link of my thread.

When i was talking about having a good sleep or a normal life and still can bet on most of the sports, they start to talk i dont know how, if the timezone affect the bet itself or the game it was playing ..... WTF.

Scammers can abuse self moderation, where warnings were deleted and it happened already.
We need to prevent abuse and need to don't allow self moderation for anyone having a negative trust from DT.

To tackle certain abuses is part of DT but also part of forum moderation. Negative trusted members should not be allowed to engage in self moderation.

Yes it is a great feature and i have nothing against it when somebody is starting a self moderated Topic.

When i write in a self moderated thread i know that its possible that the post will be gets deleted when the Topic starter thinks its not fitting in there.
I know the Topic whats it about that all and 1miau deleted some of my posts also in there even when i thought why , but it is his Topic and im ok with that.

Even when i am not always sharing the view and things from 1miau specialy in that topic.
But in this case i agree with 1miau and i voted in the poll for that the self moderation should continue to be possible.

So the self moderated Topics are good  , but as mentioned from others saddly some Scammers abuse it specialy in the Announcements (Altcoins) section.

Just my 2 cents here 

Self-moderated topics is the only way to have a proper discussion on topics that you really want. Due to the existence of forum signature ampaign, There’s a lot of user that keep dipping their noses on topic that they don’t have any good knowledge just to give an opinion especially on highly sensitive topic. Self-moderated topic helps the OP to filter all the acceptable replies for him to focus discussion on it instead of being flooded by nonsensical post that doesn't contain value.

You are either emotionally connected to Unknown01 or naturally overthinker C'mon, there is nothing wrong with you but with that person, probably yes  

There are cases when self-moderation is necessary, especially if you want to open a thread in Bitcoin Discussion board and expect serious discussion, you'll find it hard to satisfy that demand because an army of shitposters will come to spam. In this case, it's very beneficial to use self-moderation function because it won't be necessary to constantly disturb moderators and you'll be able to clean it alone + self-moderation label sometimes gives signal to shitposters to avoid thread because their shit post will be deleted. So, I agree with you!

P.S. Self-moderation should only be banned in ANN threads!

Looks like you did not read my OP because I'm not the one who suggested to ban self-moderation. Unknown01 suggested to ban self-moderation. I'm in favor of self-moderation because it helps a lot, like combatting spam. In some sections, spam is a big issue and self-moderation can help to keep our own topic clean.

It's not allowed to ask for other people's views + additional arguments why self-moderation is useful?
And I've added a poll to ask for the public opinion.

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Exactly that. Any abuse can be proven easily by checking these archive tools. 

self-moderated is necessary for anyone who wants to reduce spam or try to prevent an individual from discussing a topic he created, but it may be misused in some boards by scammers, I remember several years ago it was the preferred method for scammers  as they create these topics with links to auto-sell link, spam topic with has a lot of false responses and deletes everyone who tries to point out because this topic is scam -----> Avoid auto-buy links, mainly locked or self-moderated. Register before dealing
Now this problem is solved by trust flags^[1] so there is no reason to ban self-moderated topics.


[1] Overview of the trust flags

I don't think the issue of self-moderation is worth our time and argument for us to start bringing diverse views on why or why not it should be banned, as that feature has done more good than bad on this forum, hence keeping the thread clean by helping individual ease the work of global moderators by deleting both spam & off-topic post made on a thread that goes against its rules and code of conduct.
While secondly, I will like to suggest that in other to avoid misuse and abuse of that self-moderation feature, it will be better if the only set of people allowed to self-moderate their post should be of the rank of "Senior Member" and above, as at that rank I'm sure such user must have known the forum better.

Ain't know who is this Unknown01 so I'll not argue about his troll and I don't even understand the arguments in your local sections since it wasn't my language, the most I've been concerned about is why someone is proposing to remove this wonderful feature that possibly helps to combat the spammer or just spamming for the sake of a signature campaign.  IMO, nothing special to him to be worried and listen to his troll, but instead putting him on our ignore list would be better.

I voted no, it should continue to be possible since it's very USEFUL to keep the forum clean and maintain healthy from irrelevant discussion.  When you're a topic starter and open a discussion thread, this feature helped a lot and it's better than locking your thread to avoid spam.

Though this feature is nice and the same on a merit system or even in a DT system, it could be also abused by anyone else.
But at least can be traceable through the archive tools.

I do not understand the reason for creating this thread. If 1miau had previous issues with Unknown01 why was this user not placed on your ignore list? As a DT user, you could have given Unknown01 a red trust and moved on. Whereas you come up with the idea of banning self moderated posts. Why? Considering the amount of spam is happening in the gambling board why do none of the DT members leave a neutral trust to those OP's? A few of them are active and are part of a signature campaign. One of the BM has multiple threads that are constantly getting bombarded with spam. No one will say anything about it as they are DT members. This is not an excuse to ban self moderated topics. I do not agree and I have voted against it.

I do not think I have ever used the self moderation feature, but there is no call for it to be removed and you do not really need to stress yourself amplifying the opinion if you do not agree with it. The statistics of posts which are created self moderated is not much, not nearly enough to cause a forum issue even if it was being commonly abused (which it is not).

The request will be rejected on merit of the argument and not the user that made it, or so it should be.

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I don't see a valid point, why self moderated topics should be banned. It is really hard to understand why someone want to ban such feature. If someone does not like a self moderated topic, he should just reply elsewhere. We have so many topics where everyone can find a place to reply.

I have never seen it as an issue. Self moderation is good feature and should stay. 

I was actually trying to see what resulted the attack from Unknown01 but I noticed it was local language which would results me to start using translation and If does I may not get the correct information that warranted to his word of action.

Hence, what I will say is that we understand how the forum works and in local sections we are comprises of many individuals with their own ways of reasoning and if you brought a suggestion to the local board, there is every possibility that not all would agreed to what you said by then it has opened floor for criticism.

So as an experience user you aren't meant to pay attention to what people would say after giving your suggestions, if they don't like it then moved on and forget about them beside you aren't the only one who is to put everything in places I believe there are lots of people over there in your local board.

Then lastly, about self moderated option; I think there is no need to banned it after reading your above highlights, is worth to remain functional in other to keep the forum and some thread clean from spam whereby reducing much task from mod and admin. Let say in the gambling section as you mentioned, there are series of people who posts over there and there could be more spam over there so if any topic is being created, self moderated topic could be more valuable in other reduce tension and task for mods. I believe other educated users also given their reasons as well.

In summary; Let love leads despite our respective localities and countries we are still one family, one community and one bitcointalk.org, we rise by lifting others and by hearing one another in a peaceful way.

This is more like a personal conflict than for the forum good.

Each user has their own opinion to call someone is shitpost, off topic or low quality post, but you can't delete that user post because you're not a moderator. We as an user in this forum can only report that post to moderator, if the moderator didn't delete the post, you can't force them.

Now what we can do? we can only press ignore button as been pointed by @suchmoon, you can distrust him too if he leave inappropriate feedback to your or other user profile.

Discussing the good and bad about self moderated topic is like discussing mixer where it can be used for good or bad.

All (originally posted) forum posts are always getting archived. There are several tools like from TryNinja or from LoyceV.
For example from LoyceV, we have a copy of all replies of this topic here as well: https://loyce.club/archive/topics/545/5458161.html



So, in case of a self-moderated topic, all submitted posts are getting archived on LoyceV's site and everyone will be able to look up these posts on LoyceV's site, no matter if these posts are getting deleted here on Bitcointalk. All posts are getting archived there.
A scammer could be exposed easily for deleting replies in a self-moderated topic because we would be able to prove it easily. Every post is getting archived.

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I'm thinking the same as most likely his motivation is, to ban self-moderated topics because he's a shitposter and OP of a self-moderated topic can delete his low-quality replies, should an OP of a self-moderated topic consider such replies as spammy shitposts.

I wonder what the purpose was? Obviously it’s been archiving a variety of purpose but the idea it sprang from is a history am not part of yet.

Still, self moderation has been the closest way to proper thread keeping as most times, the capable gets to pick interest in the discussion and keeps the thread as clean and on point as possible. No doubt there have been those who might use it for an abuse and delete contradictory statements or ideas that doesn’t agrees with there’s not to mention, the selection of who gets to say what.

It still plays yo the ideas of self moderation but in a way, it offs some truth.
Even still, I won’t want it washed away up as some good still comes from it.

Self-moderated threads should continue though someone might use it to abuse the system. I think there would be people like that where they delete some posts and only allow what they allow. In scamming people, they can also delete the evidence so that the victim won't be able to prove the claim unless they make a copy of it right away. I think the request to ban self-moderated won't happen as the person who requested it is a troll who doesn't deserve the attention of such issue. He will continue spamming more if that happens.

Actually, it's not my proposal to ban self-moderated topics, it's a proposal from Unknown01, a deranged troll. 

Myself, I'm in favor of self-moderation, have applied this feature in some of my topics and I'm also replying to self-moderated topics frequently.

In fact, self-moderation is a nice, additional feature here on Bitcointalk and it's helpful in many occasions. Mainly to prevent spam but also for various other cases. 

There are more serial serious arguments in the past with self-moderated topics when in the forum, DT members had fight with each other. They even included "additional rules" to prohibited members they don't want to join such discussions.

With self moderated topics, all rules set by OP and OP has freedom to delete posts on his rules and vision. It can be right or wrong rules and vision but if you don't see fit with such topics, don't join them. If you want to discuss but with your own "additional rules", start your self-moderated topics and exclude the trollers ...

I am not against your proposal but with precedent cases, I believe the self-moderated feature will remain like it be.

There is nothing inherently wrong with self-moderation. It is abused by scammers and spammers and other dross, just like any other forum feature is (trust system, merit system, etc). I think some limitations could be useful, e.g. not allowing self-mod threads for newbies. But really anyone seeing a self-mod thread created by a person they don't like should just ignore it, and if they see one created by a scammer they can use trust feedback to warn users.

As for some deranged troll threatening to "ban" this feature... I wouldn't waste too much time worrying about that.