Topic: Self-moderated topics - nice feature or should it get banned? - page 2. (Read 912 times)

1, You are talking about the service section right but removing self-moderation feature from the service board is like double-edged sword. Imagine a service thread is actively undergo spam attack and the creator of the thread wants to keep the thread clean from spam which can reduces a lot of reporting work, moderation work. But I strongly suggest to remove the self moderation from Marketplace where the option is only used to delete the actual words from victims.

2, Yeah but that is the point of self moderation and if everyone is against the content and OP keep deleting the words opposes it will no longer make replies so it will be buried into the pages. If I am not wrong in self moderated thread the creator can include his own rule too so if we don't agree with the content then simply choose to ignore it from engaging.

You must be spamming people such as @LoyceV and others on a daily basis then with your prude police PM's?


Your "proof" is a link to a twitter post (twitter is not the forum)


The sexcoin thread is not a hidden thread and complies with the Forum's policy of being clearly labelled NSFW as set out by @theymos therefore theymos approves

Your arguments are weak and make you look like you are trying to impress others.

We don't start any "prude police", we just point out that spamming disgusting stuff in other people's topic is not appreciated at all and that's pretty common sense to criticize such perv misbehaviour.
So, no surprise to see you acting like it's a problem for you when your perv activities are getting exposed.  

Avoiding to spam perv stuff in the forum should be a no-brainer anyways...  

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That's a good point as well.  

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Yes and shitposters might miss some signature campaign rewards du to deleted posts.  

I have casted my vote in favor of self-moderation because I think it's a very useful feature that can be helpful for the original poster to delete spam from his/her post without even involving a moderator. The moderators are already busy in doing their duties, and it would be an extra burden for them if we report each spam posts in a thread. The only solution to stop such spamming massages from one's post is to self-moderate the post. I know that the feature can be misused by some negative users, but in this life there is always good use and bad use of things. Even money can be used for good things as well for bad things, however, we can't end money based trades because of those people who use it for wrong things.

In my opinion self-moderation should never be banned, and those people who want it to be banned should understand that they wont get any success in their negative intentions. The feature is unique and can be put into use in a very well manner by good posters, thread creators, and even managers of the forum. Any post that has self-moderation can make negative posters to run away from that post because they know very well that if they reply with useless responses on that post then they will be ignored by the OP, and their replies will be deleted without any question.

I have one more point and that's also a valid one. A self-moderated post gives the whole power of decision in the hands of the original poster, and he/she wont allow trolls, useless spam, abusive replies, or fight between two users in his/her thread. Due to this feature the original posters gets the privileges to stop non-sense replies in his posts. I as a member of the forum will always support this feature, and I even recommend others to support this amazing feature. I don't really know a lot about Unknown01, however, I have read some posts of 1miau, and I can surely say that he is among the good posters of the forum.

I only support banning self-moderation on global or local boards dedicated to business dealings, bans will work for low rated users (at least member-rank). The obvious reason is that this feature benefits scammers, there is no need to remove low quality posts due to the fact that spammers are not really interested in that area.
I know that scams are not moderated, at least it helps us to keep our warnings visible (can't be deleted by OP).

You have already highlighted the benefits of the self-moderated thread in a good precise way however every good thing can be misused and some scammers and spammers use self-moderated threads for this purpose.

1- A Scammer can open up a self mod thread about his service and would be able to delete all the negative feedbacks which people may wrote about his service.

2- A person may be willing to enforce his own point of view in one of his self moderated threads and delete the replies which differ from his opinion and thoughts. This may lead to the one-sided view on any particular instance/topic.

Besides that i don't think there are any more disadvantages to Self Moderation threads.

When you start your "prude police" thread it will be self moderated so you can lecture from on high so your question is kind of redundant.

Maybe he's talking to himself.
New strategy of sigspamming? 

Yes, at least he got rewarded handsomely for not reading my OP properly twice. 
As a service I would be pretty worried to spend valuable BTC for such crap posts.
But probably any sort of attention is considered a win for the service...
It's like when someone trashes our mail account with spam constantly.
We don't know. 

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Probably, their expectation is hoping for other people to do the hard work (creating new interesting topics, tutorials quality posts etc. to keep the forum relevant in regards of clicks) similar to a school or university group project of maybe 4 people. You'll always have 1 or 2 people in your group expecting that the other 1 or 2 will do the most work. 
Maybe it's similar for our shitposters here. 

Definitely a way to go.
The downsides for managers trying to research good quality posters and reject bad ones is one thing: it's taking much more time than just enrolling a bunch applicants from the topic. For example, some managers have started to remove participants when they haven't received much Merit after a long time in their current campaign. That's a very good thing but reserching this and removing them, accepting new participants etc. takes time for a campaign manager. It's easier to continue without doing any changes.
Unfortunately, the trend is currently looking more like that there are too many open spots and many shitposters are getting in.

Recently, icopress has started to apply a new strategy, where he gives out more rewards for members with high earned Merit scores:

It's a good idea in my opinion and not much work to apply.

Finally, I believe it's a mixture of the following things to improve posting quality:

- dedicated campaign managers to kick out spammers
- campaigns to create awareness about posting quality, example: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/campaign-to-improve-posting-quality-for-local-boards-5409763
- Merit sources only rewarding quality posts
- spammer blacklists and campaign managers considering them, example: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/listgambling-board-spammers-concerns-solutions-suggestions-5403475
- self-moderated topics in spam boards
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Probably there's even more but it's a good start already. 

I don't know exact reasons behind conflict between you and Unknown01 and why he is so angry at you, but any way, I don't see that he mentioned any valid reasons why self moderated topics should be banned. While you already mentioned all main reasons why it's must have thing. So, this question can't be even considered seriously now. It would be interesting if he would come here with his arguments.
I only can see one disadvantage of such topics - censorship when people can delete posts not because it's bad but simply because they don't like it or author who made it. Also, it allows to delete negative comments about service. But when you add all benefits and few little disadvantages, this question can't be even considered seriously.

Exactly! The point you make here is a very good one, and extremely important.

I find it mind-boggling to see how much signature spammers / shitposters don't understand how, in the long term, they're destroying their own business, and in the same time they don't understand that by taking the time to just read the answers and the full OP their lives would be much simpler ; because they wouldn't have to turn themselves into a cheap version of GPT to earn their BTC.

At the same time, I don't know how hard it is to recruit good posters from a campaign management point of view, but I sometimes feel a bit desperate to see that some are hired, and paid, to write crap on the forum (even after being reported to their manager by influential users).
In my opinion, it would be in everyone's interest to pay the real, effective posters more, and not take on the less good ones in the campaigns. Admittedly, there would be a little less volume of messages for the campaigns, but the remaining messages would be less drowned in a mass of absurd messages because the shitposters wouldn't come any more.
I imagine I'm neither the first nor the last to ask myself this question, but if everyone applied "Quality over quantity" for real (talking about campaign recruitment), the forum might be rid of the worst of them.

Reading OP's title does not mean "reading the OP". Furthermore you quote a question without even reading it entirely. The entire question is "Should the option of self-moderated topics get banned as alleged by Unknown01 (see below) or should the option of self-moderation continue to be possible? ".


Where is the suggestion here? From "So, what's your opinion?" I understand that 1miau is asking a question, not making any suggestion. Are you blind or just sig-spamming?


To whom are you addressing here?

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1miau, you should ignore this sig-spammer, as all he does is trying to look smart now, after being caught by you that he did not even read your topic and hurried to post for reaching his signature quota.

Self-moderated topics are great and beneficial but they can be like double-edged sword sometimes.
History showed that scammers in forum often used them to trick other people and to delete unwanted comments they don't like.
I am creating self-moderated topics only when I expect more spam comments and whenI don't want to wait for moderators to delete posts I reported.
I wouldn't waste time on opinions from people like UnknownO1

Deviating from the context in which this thread was created(unknown01), I will speak generally about self moderation in the forum.

I voted that self moderation should remain because without self moderating some certain posts, they could be hijacked by spammers and scammers before moderators will notice. Again, moderation work will be so tedious that it will become a full time job if self moderation is discontinued.

The only con of self moderated posts is if scammers create such a post and gets to delete every posts that attempt to bursted them. I don't actually know if a post can be self moderated in service board.
Another way scammers do this is by creating a post and then locking it to prevent discussion.

That being said, discontinuing self moderation will make this forum inhabitable, it is an idea no sane user of this precious forum should conceive.

Exactly that, I couldn't have said it any better.
We should always remember that services will advertise here because Bitcointalk is a well visited online place and being a well visited online place is achieved by high quality content. Like tutorials about Bitcoin, educated developers answering questions and giving insights etc.
On the contrary, spam is very harmful because (most) educated members don't want to read spam walls.
There are many crypto related online forums out there, where paid shitposting and low quality spam has turned establieshed members away and / or new members are not interested to sign up there because it's so spammy.
And Services
So, unironically, shitposters are destroying their own source of BTC.  
+1 for your comment.

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Maybe your feeling is a little bit wrong today because in case you've read that and you were capable to understand what I've written there, then you would have noticed, that your claim is completely wrong.
I'm suggesting this nowhere, that self-moderation should get banned.

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Once again, I'm suggesting this nowhere, that self-moderation should get banned.  
Obviously, you are not capable to read or understand my OP.
So, very slowly and only for you some quotes, what's my opinion on the topic:

(I'm even mentioning reasons for that...)




So, you can see: I've written it multiple times, what's my opinion on the issue.  



The member, who suggested to ban self-moderation, is Unknown01:

And yes, Unknown01 is also not capable of reading properly...

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So, stop embarrassing yourself, that I would have "suggested" banning self-moderation. I'm opposed of banning it.

The only thing I'm asking in the poll is what Bitcointalk's public opinion on this is. It's a simple question and I've made my opinion quite clear in my OP, that I'm in favor of self-moderation.
After re-reading my OP, it's quite an achivement from you to get it that wrong, since your post is littered with numerous false claims.

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I've not suggested anything, dude.
Your false claims don't get more accurate if you repeat them 5 times.  

The only thing what needs to stop is people like you who are not capable of reading and despite that, you are still having the boldness to reply here twice (!) to show that you've not understand anything from my OP, even after Nestade and myself pointed it out to you, that your claims are wrong...

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That's not your business who's on my ignore list. I have no problem at all to call out liars, shitposters and spammers when I'm coming over one.  

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I agree to your point. But that's exactly what Unknown01 did. He spammed in my topic, violated my rules and got butthurt because his posts got deleted. I even gave him an option to post it again after he will edit the rule-violations.

True, Sherlock.

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Regarding our suvey: it's quite clear that our community is in favor of keeping self-moderated topics:



That's also what I've voted for and expected.  

Self moderated topic should be restricted from certain people for instance account that has bad reputation and evil records on the forum, reason being that it would eliminate scammers, i.e, if they made a reply or comments in some board having been a self moderated thread they may like have them deleted after many people has already fallen victim. However, such features is still valuable and helpful to forum especially the bounty section where lots of newbies kept spamming some of the threads with their reports.

More precisely the performance of moderation features by yourself is intended for it from some of the other benefits. People who make shitpost and or disrupt the topic of discussion are indeed disturbing and make the discussion not in line with the proper.
If you only rely on the moderator to supervise and clean the shitpost in my opinion it is a heavy work, because you have to check one by one and each page, and usually each board consists of only 1 or two moderators, especially if you have many chilboards and have many activities Utas is quite active, for me it's quite heavy work.
The moderation feature itself is one way to help moderator work in managing decent posts.

I have read your OP and I feel you are suggesting it. The topic is nice feature or should it get banned?. In the end again on the pretext of asking a question you are suggesting it So, what's your opinion? Self-moderation to get banned or to stay? Stop suggesting and start questioning!


I have already told you to add him/her to your ignore list, rather than creating such a meaningless thread because of a personal dispute. BTW, I would not appreciate anyone coming on my self-moderated thread and start giving me advice about spam and lolololo. If you do not like it stay away from a self-moderated thread. There is enough spam happening on every board and thread that are not self-moderated. If you want to control every spam happening on any thread then just apply for a mod job here.

Self-moderated topics will not appeal to those who like to behave on the forum is not entirely correct. Trolls sometimes like to annoy people with their shitposts, and moderation itself removes this opportunity from them. But just as well, I would remove self-moderation from those with negative tags so that they don't delete replies from people they don't like.
I think whoever opens a topic like this should keep it clean, as the very idea hints at it.

OP, it would seem that it's kind of anniversary thing with you and Unknown01, looking at June and seeing both threads same time of the year🤦. Both this current thread and the previous one Unknown01 and his past of shady abuses where you guys slugged it out.

Anyway, to the best of my perspecacity I believe Self-Moderated threads have done more good in weeding out spam posts than harm in preventing free press. It should stay.

The simple fact that shitposters are opposed to self-moderated topics proves that self-moderated topics are effective, otherwise why would they be annoyed by their existence ?
It's a bit ridiculous, from my point of view, asking for this system to be banned would be like asking for the grading system to be stopped for an exam because you wouldn't be able to pass it. It's stupid to get angry at seeing your posts deleted in a topic where your own posts aren't welcome (when it's for legitimate reasons), theymos himself said to be careful in these topics :


So it's in the contract, too bad for those who don't understand it.

For those who say "yes, but there are scammers who take advantage of it", this happened to me just a few days ago, so yes, it's true that some scammers can take advantage of it.
When it happened to me, I was a little weary to see that he had deleted the message in which I pointed out my doubts about his dubious topic. But after a few minutes' reflection, I understood that this was a positive thing in itself; it erased any doubt about his intentions, and provided proof that he's a dishonest user. So even in this case, self-moderated topics play a positive role. It's up to us to leave redtrusts when this system is abused, that's all.

Anything that can reduce the number of crappy posts and spam should be welcomed on our forum. Those who advocate in favor of spam and shitposting are militating against the general interest of the forum.