Speaking IMHO, The best miner is like a good horse. Fast, energy efficient, good looking and stable;) short words SFARDS. BEST means more than good, BEST means that are wiling to hug your warm miner(horse) during cold winter nights with gratefulness for all that free heat and free monies. Best miner is your buddy:)
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Topic: SFARDS: Results of “Speaking IMHO”- The Best Miner is…Contest [Update 26/5/2015] - page 3. (Read 9702 times)
May 13, 2015, 08:17:51 AM
May 13, 2015, 03:52:19 AM
I think would be fun if we had a miner that we could eat after we use for mine bitcoin .This idea sounds crazy maybe but why not?
more or less the shape of the picture like this
so when you are upset or annoyed or fed up or booring because of spending and revenue from mining results are not comparable you can eat your miner directly
yummy , happy mining and happy caking!
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more or less the shape of the picture like this
so when you are upset or annoyed or fed up or booring because of spending and revenue from mining results are not comparable you can eat your miner directly
yummy , happy mining and happy caking!
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May 13, 2015, 03:51:43 AM
ever crossed in your mind that we could mine bitcoin with electricity generated from cow dung ?.
miner would be very profitable because the cost of electricity would have been covered by this biogas power plant . that so the problem is the making of this biogas power plant should have a large area, meaning that it is not ethical if it has oversized miner . but quiet I had a brilliant idea . we can put electricity result of cow dung into a portable container . which chargeable it means we can fill the electricity once 12 hours or maybe 24 hours.
IMAGINE YOU WILL EARN BIG MONEY AND SAVE THE WORLD AT A TIME!
miner would be very profitable because the cost of electricity would have been covered by this biogas power plant . that so the problem is the making of this biogas power plant should have a large area, meaning that it is not ethical if it has oversized miner . but quiet I had a brilliant idea . we can put electricity result of cow dung into a portable container . which chargeable it means we can fill the electricity once 12 hours or maybe 24 hours.
IMAGINE YOU WILL EARN BIG MONEY AND SAVE THE WORLD AT A TIME!
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I have to say as someone who lives on a farm this is a interesting idea. It's pretty crazy though cattle are EXPENSIVE. You could buy a solar panel for less then most good cattle. And yes.. yes that is crazy but it's true. Add in land for them, again a HUGE cost. It's a neat idea but you could do a solar farm for less. And the costs keep coming get pricing for a fence for X acers. Food for cattle.... It seems like it goes on and on on costs. Unless your family was in it and you get lucky and inherent as many do the start up cost will keep most out of the cattle business.
I do like the idea though. Neat idea, just cost is way to expensive even before including special equipment needed to do the power system.
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May 13, 2015, 02:53:52 AM
The ideal miner would be not bigger than a NAS, will be silent, will connect directly to power outlet and router and the settings will be done remotely. I wrote something like this on FB too.
Another idea would be ... a bigger router, that can also mine.
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Another idea would be ... a bigger router, that can also mine.
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May 13, 2015, 12:16:26 AM
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May 12, 2015, 11:27:07 PM
ever crossed in your mind that we could mine bitcoin with electricity generated from cow dung ?.
miner would be very profitable because the cost of electricity would have been covered by this biogas power plant . that so the problem is the making of this biogas power plant should have a large area, meaning that it is not ethical if it has oversized miner . but quiet I had a brilliant idea . we can put electricity result of cow dung into a portable container . which chargeable it means we can fill the electricity once 12 hours or maybe 24 hours.
IMAGINE YOU WILL EARN BIG MONEY AND SAVE THE WORLD AT A TIME!
miner would be very profitable because the cost of electricity would have been covered by this biogas power plant . that so the problem is the making of this biogas power plant should have a large area, meaning that it is not ethical if it has oversized miner . but quiet I had a brilliant idea . we can put electricity result of cow dung into a portable container . which chargeable it means we can fill the electricity once 12 hours or maybe 24 hours.
IMAGINE YOU WILL EARN BIG MONEY AND SAVE THE WORLD AT A TIME!
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May 12, 2015, 10:26:40 PM
Another most “controversial” design entry
Solar mining... from space! We have a satellite orbiting the sun for electricity. It mines from space! Sending it's hashing through freaking lasers. Space and lasers!
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= Outer Space Asic Laser Miner
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Solar mining... from space! We have a satellite orbiting the sun for electricity. It mines from space! Sending it's hashing through freaking lasers. Space and lasers!
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= Outer Space Asic Laser Miner
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May 12, 2015, 06:41:37 PM
i love using the older gridseed 5 chip series and I hope that the new sfard chipset can have am upgrade board for the older gridseed 5 chip series.. like me and others, we have a collections of parts for the older gridseed and it would be cheaper to keep my current gridseeds and just replace the circuit board to a sfard chipset.. its not that hard to change over and i would save money.... and for the contest .. how about a marketing catchphrase!!
" Mine with this!!!!!!!!!! " or to a new be customer " do you mined? " ..
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" Mine with this!!!!!!!!!! " or to a new be customer " do you mined? " ..
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May 12, 2015, 05:46:29 PM
actually, pool circulation generally runs 24/7. its the heating functions that can be turned on or off.
fact is that if the water isnt circulating, or the pool is warm enough, you will have to turn off the unit or dump the heat elsewhere when mining.
fact is that if the water isnt circulating, or the pool is warm enough, you will have to turn off the unit or dump the heat elsewhere when mining.
Not any pool I've ever owned. My current one for example only runs 8 hours per day, during off-peak hours. Ideal mining time.
huh - i need to check my buddy's pool - pretty sure his is 24/7 circulation.
May 12, 2015, 03:45:25 PM
actually, pool circulation generally runs 24/7. its the heating functions that can be turned on or off.
fact is that if the water isnt circulating, or the pool is warm enough, you will have to turn off the unit or dump the heat elsewhere when mining.
fact is that if the water isnt circulating, or the pool is warm enough, you will have to turn off the unit or dump the heat elsewhere when mining.
Not any pool I've ever owned. My current one for example only runs 8 hours per day, during off-peak hours. Ideal mining time.
May 12, 2015, 03:23:24 PM
A potential issue would be that the pool pump isn't pushing water 24/7 through the heater. For this reason it might need a tank inside of it, with a small pump and blower fan that kick on when the pool isn't providing the flow to push cool water through it.
actually, pool circulation generally runs 24/7. its the heating functions that can be turned on or off.
fact is that if the water isnt circulating, or the pool is warm enough, you will have to turn off the unit or dump the heat elsewhere when mining.
May 12, 2015, 02:00:08 PM
Many pools nowadays have heaters connected to them. These are basically just boxes with 1.5-3" PVC inlets/outlets that heat water coming out of the pool filter before putting it back in the pool. The pool water would provide excellent cooling for the miner, and the miner would help keep your pool warmer.
Since it would be located outside, bonus points for wi-fi, solar panels, wind turbine, and a built in bitcoin node.
A potential issue would be that the pool pump isn't pushing water 24/7 through the heater. For this reason it might need a tank inside of it, with a small pump and blower fan that kick on when the pool isn't providing the flow to push cool water through it.
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Since it would be located outside, bonus points for wi-fi, solar panels, wind turbine, and a built in bitcoin node.
A potential issue would be that the pool pump isn't pushing water 24/7 through the heater. For this reason it might need a tank inside of it, with a small pump and blower fan that kick on when the pool isn't providing the flow to push cool water through it.
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May 12, 2015, 01:38:46 PM
The human work output in agricolture is about 0.074 kw. I want a miner that can convert human work into hashing. That could be controversial, but a great deal for that zones who have a difficoult access to energy but a lot of manpower. In cold zones, you can use the heat too.
Or you can just convert in hashing the power wasted at your local gym...
Less fat, more hashing!
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Could you then have incentives for people to work out there, where they would actually be making money back based on their electrical output, as opposed to having to pay a monthly membership fee?
EDIT: How much electricity could an average person output on a stationary bike by working out for an hour?
I think like 0.1 kw (aerobic activity), but i'm not sure. You can also recycle the energy made by others human activities, like dancing, but that would require an apposite floor
May 12, 2015, 01:37:57 PM
EDIT: How much electricity could an average person output on a stationary bike by working out for an hour?
At maximum speed, the most current of these stationary bicycles generates only around 250 watts, or about enough to power 1/2 an S5 while you're sweating away.
May 12, 2015, 01:34:22 PM
^theres too much focus on home mining units. As mentioned above, there are three types of buyer:
1) NOVELTY. Anything that produces <100W will never be cost-effective ROI. There is a market for 5000 units, each worth <$150, or <$750,000 total market.
2) Small Investors. The guys who want to quietly operate a miner at home or in the office that stands a good chance of producing a positive return on investment. They will buy 800-3,200W of power consumption (ideally each being around 800W). At ~$400/800W, theres probably a market for 20,000 units, or around $8,000,000.
3) Big Investors. The Farms. The Early Miners. The Centralized. Those with the ability and desire to build more complex cooling/power in order to use anywhere from 10,000W to 10MEGAWatts, These units are efficient, loud, and should be plug-and-play in a typical server rack (likely with a built in PSU).
Each unit would likely draw >2500W, and might be built with a L6-30 (30amp, 250V) plug. This level of investor (Assume an average 1000x 20kW for the entire group) would probably be spending $10,000 to purchase 20kW - or a market of almost $10,000,000.
Note that the above all being true would mean that ~40MW of equipment would come online from this manufacturer, spread over a span of 3-4months. That would contribute ~80PH (+25% of the current network hashrate, or about +3% to 7 simultaneous difficulty adjustments.) which i think sounds about right, maybe a bit on the high side.
tl;dr 40% of sales is in midsized units, 55% is in industry-standard hardware for scale deployment, and 5% comes from selling novelty miners like USB devices.
thus, there are two good options for SFARDS:
1) build a single device, that uses 400-800W, and can be easily stacked and deployed in large quantities as well as individual sales.
2) build two devices: one that uses 400-800W for smaller miners, and another that is >2500W and rackmounting for the serious investor.
1) NOVELTY. Anything that produces <100W will never be cost-effective ROI. There is a market for 5000 units, each worth <$150, or <$750,000 total market.
2) Small Investors. The guys who want to quietly operate a miner at home or in the office that stands a good chance of producing a positive return on investment. They will buy 800-3,200W of power consumption (ideally each being around 800W). At ~$400/800W, theres probably a market for 20,000 units, or around $8,000,000.
3) Big Investors. The Farms. The Early Miners. The Centralized. Those with the ability and desire to build more complex cooling/power in order to use anywhere from 10,000W to 10MEGAWatts, These units are efficient, loud, and should be plug-and-play in a typical server rack (likely with a built in PSU).
Each unit would likely draw >2500W, and might be built with a L6-30 (30amp, 250V) plug. This level of investor (Assume an average 1000x 20kW for the entire group) would probably be spending $10,000 to purchase 20kW - or a market of almost $10,000,000.
Note that the above all being true would mean that ~40MW of equipment would come online from this manufacturer, spread over a span of 3-4months. That would contribute ~80PH (+25% of the current network hashrate, or about +3% to 7 simultaneous difficulty adjustments.) which i think sounds about right, maybe a bit on the high side.
tl;dr 40% of sales is in midsized units, 55% is in industry-standard hardware for scale deployment, and 5% comes from selling novelty miners like USB devices.
thus, there are two good options for SFARDS:
1) build a single device, that uses 400-800W, and can be easily stacked and deployed in large quantities as well as individual sales.
2) build two devices: one that uses 400-800W for smaller miners, and another that is >2500W and rackmounting for the serious investor.
May 12, 2015, 01:27:31 PM
The human work output in agricolture is about 0.074 kw. I want a miner that can convert human work into hashing. That could be controversial, but a great deal for that zones who have a difficoult access to energy but a lot of manpower. In cold zones, you can use the heat too.
Or you can just convert in hashing the power wasted at your local gym...
Less fat, more hashing!
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Ya! Pump it people. Make Daddy some Btc. Or you can just convert in hashing the power wasted at your local gym...
Less fat, more hashing!
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Could you then have incentives for people to work out there, where they would actually be making money back based on their electrical output, as opposed to having to pay a monthly membership fee?
EDIT: How much electricity could an average person output on a stationary bike by working out for an hour?
May 12, 2015, 01:17:07 PM
The human work output in agricolture is about 0.074 kw. I want a miner that can convert human work into hashing. That could be controversial, but a great deal for that zones who have a difficoult access to energy but a lot of manpower. In cold zones, you can use the heat too.
Or you can just convert in hashing the power wasted at your local gym...
Less fat, more hashing!
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Less fat, more hashing!
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May 12, 2015, 11:22:27 AM
IMHO the best miner is the one that preserves the very basis on which whole community & industry is dependent.
A miner should thus have following parts/functionality:
2. A miner that allows user simple options to set it at different power consumption levels e.g. 100W, 125W, 150W instead of dealing in GH/s. This will allow novoice miners to make a choice based on their ability to spend on power. Also, for seasoned miners most important stat for making decision is power consumption. So instead of seeing hash rate, if we can see power consumption & ROI in $/day on a LCD display, then it will be much better.
4. Miner software should allow to configure miner/full node to run until certain conditions are met, e.g. run until power bill for today is $X or Bandwidth usage is X MB. This will allow customers to make decisions w/o monitoring things all day.
5. You can create a line of miners with each one targeting specific group.
i) For Home miners & bitcoin believers - 50 to 200GH/s or 25 to 100W miners
ii) For individual investor - 300 to 1500 GH/s or 150W to 1000W miners
iii) For industrial miners above 2TH/s
Sam
A miner should thus have following parts/functionality:
2. A miner that allows user simple options to set it at different power consumption levels e.g. 100W, 125W, 150W instead of dealing in GH/s. This will allow novoice miners to make a choice based on their ability to spend on power. Also, for seasoned miners most important stat for making decision is power consumption. So instead of seeing hash rate, if we can see power consumption & ROI in $/day on a LCD display, then it will be much better.
4. Miner software should allow to configure miner/full node to run until certain conditions are met, e.g. run until power bill for today is $X or Bandwidth usage is X MB. This will allow customers to make decisions w/o monitoring things all day.
5. You can create a line of miners with each one targeting specific group.
i) For Home miners & bitcoin believers - 50 to 200GH/s or 25 to 100W miners
ii) For individual investor - 300 to 1500 GH/s or 150W to 1000W miners
iii) For industrial miners above 2TH/s
Sam
I agree with 2) as it is very important for deciding mine or not to mine
It takes a lot of calculations and measurements when adjusting by yourself. But I still it is just unnecessary addon.I also agree with 4). It can also switch energy consumption profiles based on time (night time - quiet mode) or temperature, or whatever. This is also usefull, but unnecessary addon.
For point 5) there can be different targets based on current diff and GH/W, but generally 100W for baginner is good choice - it can ROI. Individual investors can accept machines from 1kW to 3.5kW, industrial needs easy stackable (rackmount) with as low components as possible. One controller for one rack, three PSU per rack. No wires mess, low set-up cost.
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Hmm nice additions. I think people dont quite realize the potential of morally biased not so profitable ideological mining. I would say everyone should do this. Graphic was made way back in Jan 2015.
May 12, 2015, 11:12:48 AM
4 words...
Bitcoin Miner Lava Lamp
BOOM!
No fans, no noise, just heat, lava, and a do not touch warning. Cheap and appealing.
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I think instead we can have a Mineral oil lamp with miner floating inside it. That will be perfect for cooling, noise & home mining. Just like modern art showpiece sitting there in living room. I am a genius!!
May 12, 2015, 10:50:56 AM
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