Most controversial entry:
A miner that will be happy outside. Probably not something where you just set it in the middle of the yard, but something that can go out on the back porch and have shielding from the elements. A big problem is heat and noise of miners, and moving a miner outside would provide a ton of benefits.
Make it wireless, so only the power chord is needed. (you could even make some kind of built in housing for the power supply so that isn't exposed either.) Then make the miner enclosed so that water will be kept out. Summer heat would be a problem, but with high enough quality components, even running at high temperatures should be fine.
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Topic: SFARDS: Results of “Speaking IMHO”- The Best Miner is…Contest [Update 26/5/2015] - page 5. (Read 9702 times)
May 11, 2015, 11:18:27 AM
May 11, 2015, 11:08:41 AM
my second entry is for
My controversial design: moved from here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11343104
Would be a miner that is designed as a usb hub miner but it has 4gb of storage that you can access and program the miner's gui to mine plug n play.
This would mean it would automatically mine in any pc 's usb that you plug it into as long as the pc has an internet connection. The twister would be it works for 1 hour then turns off for 1 hour.
So that sipping too much juice from the owner of the pc would be prevented. Kind of a do not be greedy governor.
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I am still thinking on the most original design.
My controversial design: moved from here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11343104
Would be a miner that is designed as a usb hub miner but it has 4gb of storage that you can access and program the miner's gui to mine plug n play.
This would mean it would automatically mine in any pc 's usb that you plug it into as long as the pc has an internet connection. The twister would be it works for 1 hour then turns off for 1 hour.
So that sipping too much juice from the owner of the pc would be prevented. Kind of a do not be greedy governor.
My doge address is D8jxCiXXCPn1fzE3vzywTf9DhPWEv4gtB3
My Ltc address is LMUmaAu2i194Vod4Pr8j3KDBXQ2zTVtiJb
I am still thinking on the most original design.
May 11, 2015, 10:36:23 AM
I would like to have a home miner that can perform and be quiet at the same time. Not asking perfectly quiet, but at least a unit doesn't required to buy other fans or modification to his original case. Better be putting quality fan and maybe one more then the minimum required.
Also easily stackable.
Thanks !
Also easily stackable.
Thanks !
May 11, 2015, 10:00:16 AM
A miner that is also an air conditioner. One that puts out cold air. 
IS this possible?
IS this possible?
May 11, 2015, 09:51:51 AM
Lastly the gui should have 4 or more pools not 3 or less pools. With balanced option or rollover option.
a smart gui will have 'n+1' or 'n+2' available pool slots, with 'n' being the number of pools already filled in. most users will only have 2 pools setup, but some advanced users might like the option of 4+ pools, as well as the ability to do load-sharing between them May 11, 2015, 09:40:26 AM
Something I was trying to get out of Bitmain's U3, and that I think is very practical and could be very useful for home miners is making it into a heater that can be placed throughout your house. I have an apartment and my windows are terribly inefficient, so I wanted to place the little U3 units two or three to a window sill to fight back some of the cold, the problem was that they needed to be plugged into a computer via USB, and I could never get them running (still can't), so it was kind of a bust.
But, there is an opportunity to make a good product like this. Make it stand alone so it doesn't need to be plugged into a computer, and make it connect to WiFi so that it doesn't need to be plugged into a router or switch. You could even make different sizes, like a 1 chip, 5 chip, etc... model, so you could choose how much heat you wanted given off. Also a 1 chip model would probably need a smaller power cord, which would be less noticeable if your trying to hide them, then it could scale up from there. Also, it would be neat to put suction cups or something on them so they could stick to windows and be off of the window sill. Just makes it easier to hide them from view. I would also like something on the end of the miner that you could swivel or adjust that would blow the exhaust one way or another. For instance, I could angle the exhaust to the left or right instead of straight out the back.
To be able to down clock the miner with a dial of sorts would be very nice. So for hotter days all I would need to do is turn the dial and the miner would use less power and give off less heat. It would also be very practical to have a web UI that would detect all miners on my network where I could easily under clock the units for the whole household at once.
I hope you like my idea, I have gone through the last 2 winters without having to run my heater at all by using mining units, and have saved/made money doing it. This works great for a smaller apartment, but household wide solutions should be the next step. Noise can be somewhat of an issue too, so remember that most people will pay a little higher price for a better/quieter fan.
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But, there is an opportunity to make a good product like this. Make it stand alone so it doesn't need to be plugged into a computer, and make it connect to WiFi so that it doesn't need to be plugged into a router or switch. You could even make different sizes, like a 1 chip, 5 chip, etc... model, so you could choose how much heat you wanted given off. Also a 1 chip model would probably need a smaller power cord, which would be less noticeable if your trying to hide them, then it could scale up from there. Also, it would be neat to put suction cups or something on them so they could stick to windows and be off of the window sill. Just makes it easier to hide them from view. I would also like something on the end of the miner that you could swivel or adjust that would blow the exhaust one way or another. For instance, I could angle the exhaust to the left or right instead of straight out the back.
To be able to down clock the miner with a dial of sorts would be very nice. So for hotter days all I would need to do is turn the dial and the miner would use less power and give off less heat. It would also be very practical to have a web UI that would detect all miners on my network where I could easily under clock the units for the whole household at once.
I hope you like my idea, I have gone through the last 2 winters without having to run my heater at all by using mining units, and have saved/made money doing it. This works great for a smaller apartment, but household wide solutions should be the next step. Noise can be somewhat of an issue too, so remember that most people will pay a little higher price for a better/quieter fan.
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May 11, 2015, 09:18:28 AM
My first entry moved from here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11343009
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My entry is as follows:
The ability to scale the miner's watts per gh rather then flat line watts per gh , IS really important.
I want a miner that has a huge freq range and a huge volt setting range.
This allows for maximum flexibility for every miner using it.
Cooling and fan speeds need to be able to scale wide. Thus a quiet highly efficient miner is one and the same with a loud high hashing power hungry miner. Just depends on what you need for your setup you get to set it the way you need it to be.
Lastly the gui should have 4 or more pools not 3 or less pools. With balanced option or rollover option.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11343009
D8jxCiXXCPn1fzE3vzywTf9DhPWEv4gtB3 = Doge
LMUmaAu2i194Vod4Pr8j3KDBXQ2zTVtiJb = LTC
My entry is as follows:
The ability to scale the miner's watts per gh rather then flat line watts per gh , IS really important.
I want a miner that has a huge freq range and a huge volt setting range.
This allows for maximum flexibility for every miner using it.
Cooling and fan speeds need to be able to scale wide. Thus a quiet highly efficient miner is one and the same with a loud high hashing power hungry miner. Just depends on what you need for your setup you get to set it the way you need it to be.
Lastly the gui should have 4 or more pools not 3 or less pools. With balanced option or rollover option.
May 11, 2015, 08:05:14 AM
The 'ideal' unit would be something small enough for home use, but large enough that it could be used in larger farms profitably. This is best seen as:
1) 1500-5000GH/unit
2) $400-1500/unit
3) external (user-provided) power supply, hopefully drawing less than 250W/PCIe connector
4) rack-mount dimensions (2U-4U) and stackable. Half-depth would be a smart way to keep the unit small but remain rackmountable.
5) fans that are less than 70dB. That should make it reasonable for home use (at least in a spare bedroom or basement). This means ideally 120mm or 140mm fans only.
6) string design for chips - this is >10% more efficienct
7) design the webUI similarly to what spondoolies-tech built (very detailed settings, stats, logging, scheduling, etc)
design the ability to modify BOTH the voltage AND frequency, as well as the fan settings if possible. this allows wider range of users to run it at peak or in quieter modes.
9) basic outer case. put the power and ethernet connections on the same side, use a basic sheet metal enclosure. 2-4 leds is sufficienct, anything more becomes 'too blinky'. something like the SP3x design is ideal.
10) consider a small screen that can readout hashrate and/or IP address.
MY 'DO-NOT' LIST:
1) fans <80mm are loud
2) miners <1500GH mean buyers end up with a huge stack of units. dont build anything with <$400 MSRP
3) miners >40 pounds (~16kg) can be a bit heavy to move around
4) miners that act as nightlights. all i want is a singlular LED that is lit solid in normal operation and isnt blinding.
-Klondike
1) 1500-5000GH/unit
2) $400-1500/unit
3) external (user-provided) power supply, hopefully drawing less than 250W/PCIe connector
4) rack-mount dimensions (2U-4U) and stackable. Half-depth would be a smart way to keep the unit small but remain rackmountable.
5) fans that are less than 70dB. That should make it reasonable for home use (at least in a spare bedroom or basement). This means ideally 120mm or 140mm fans only.
6) string design for chips - this is >10% more efficienct
7) design the webUI similarly to what spondoolies-tech built (very detailed settings, stats, logging, scheduling, etc)
design the ability to modify BOTH the voltage AND frequency, as well as the fan settings if possible. this allows wider range of users to run it at peak or in quieter modes.9) basic outer case. put the power and ethernet connections on the same side, use a basic sheet metal enclosure. 2-4 leds is sufficienct, anything more becomes 'too blinky'. something like the SP3x design is ideal.
10) consider a small screen that can readout hashrate and/or IP address.
MY 'DO-NOT' LIST:
1) fans <80mm are loud
2) miners <1500GH mean buyers end up with a huge stack of units. dont build anything with <$400 MSRP
3) miners >40 pounds (~16kg) can be a bit heavy to move around
4) miners that act as nightlights. all i want is a singlular LED that is lit solid in normal operation and isnt blinding.
-Klondike
May 11, 2015, 07:12:30 AM
-Silent
-water coolable
-water coolable
May 11, 2015, 07:08:30 AM
IMHO the best miner is the one that preserves the very basis on which whole community & industry is dependent.
A miner should thus have following parts/functionality:
1. A full node embedded in it that can be turned on/off or programmed to use certain amount of bandwidth/data (yes, not all people have unlimited bandwidth). This will support the network.
2. A miner that allows user simple options to set it at different power consumption levels e.g. 100W, 125W, 150W instead of dealing in GH/s. This will allow novoice miners to make a choice based on their ability to spend on power. Also, for seasoned miners most important stat for making decision is power consumption. So instead of seeing hash rate, if we can see power consumption & ROI in $/day on a LCD display, then it will be much better.
3. Miner should come by default configured to run on p2pool so that anyone who wants to mine for supporting the network can just plug & play the miner. Even better if miner s/w can determine nearest p2pool node based on IP address(Yes, i want unicorns!!
)
4. Miner software should allow to configure miner/full node to run until certain conditions are met, e.g. run until power bill for today is $X or Bandwidth usage is X MB. This will allow customers to make decisions w/o monitoring things all day.
5. You can create a line of miners with each one targeting specific group.
i) For Home miners & bitcoin believers - 50 to 200GH/s or 25 to 100W miners
ii) For individual investor - 300 to 1500 GH/s or 150W to 1000W miners
iii) For industrial miners above 2TH/s
I want more unicorns but you might be short on supply so this should suffice for now
If you like my idea, my address is in my sig.
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Regards
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A miner should thus have following parts/functionality:
1. A full node embedded in it that can be turned on/off or programmed to use certain amount of bandwidth/data (yes, not all people have unlimited bandwidth). This will support the network.
2. A miner that allows user simple options to set it at different power consumption levels e.g. 100W, 125W, 150W instead of dealing in GH/s. This will allow novoice miners to make a choice based on their ability to spend on power. Also, for seasoned miners most important stat for making decision is power consumption. So instead of seeing hash rate, if we can see power consumption & ROI in $/day on a LCD display, then it will be much better.
3. Miner should come by default configured to run on p2pool so that anyone who wants to mine for supporting the network can just plug & play the miner. Even better if miner s/w can determine nearest p2pool node based on IP address(Yes, i want unicorns!!
)4. Miner software should allow to configure miner/full node to run until certain conditions are met, e.g. run until power bill for today is $X or Bandwidth usage is X MB. This will allow customers to make decisions w/o monitoring things all day.
5. You can create a line of miners with each one targeting specific group.
i) For Home miners & bitcoin believers - 50 to 200GH/s or 25 to 100W miners
ii) For individual investor - 300 to 1500 GH/s or 150W to 1000W miners
iii) For industrial miners above 2TH/s
I want more unicorns but you might be short on supply so this should suffice for now
If you like my idea, my address is in my sig.
EDIT: My LTC addy: LT2N1oqmrGy1Cd5bDSDZxFHizLzamjtueN
My DOGE addy: DTMfFPxD6QB7LduEPMT7hyoaqSmX5FKSgs
Regards
Sam
May 11, 2015, 07:06:24 AM
Try to operate the ASICs in a 'string' like the bitfury chips,
and then get rid of the DC/DC converters.
and then get rid of the DC/DC converters.
May 11, 2015, 06:27:21 AM
There is no need for impractical controversal toaster, I think re-use of wasted electric energy is the key. Big datacenters will have always cheaper electricity than home miners.
Why not use peltier coolers to generate electricity from heat? They can cool our miners and produce some energy.
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Why not use peltier coolers to generate electricity from heat? They can cool our miners and produce some energy.
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May 11, 2015, 06:22:39 AM
What can I say about ideal miner? 
1) Not overpriced;
2) Standalone with Ethernet (or two Ethernet) port(s), with possibility to deploy wi-fi (like on antminer S3 controller);
3) It should consist of steel (maybe) chassis and (why not?) plastic side/top/bottom panels to reduce weight and shipping cost. Probably good solution is to use a PC case (like in HashCoins Apollo) - buyer can buy specific case (and maybe the components of cooling system) at his/her local market. And yes - miner should be sold without power supply for the same reason. Someone use ATX PSU, someone use server PSU...
4) The cooling of the chips should be worked over very carefully to provide maximum possible heat dissipation. Customer should not rework it, only in case he is geek. Ideal miner should be cold and quiet, or at least devs should try to make it cold and quiet.
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1) Not overpriced;
2) Standalone with Ethernet (or two Ethernet) port(s), with possibility to deploy wi-fi (like on antminer S3 controller);
3) It should consist of steel (maybe) chassis and (why not?) plastic side/top/bottom panels to reduce weight and shipping cost. Probably good solution is to use a PC case (like in HashCoins Apollo) - buyer can buy specific case (and maybe the components of cooling system) at his/her local market. And yes - miner should be sold without power supply for the same reason. Someone use ATX PSU, someone use server PSU...
4) The cooling of the chips should be worked over very carefully to provide maximum possible heat dissipation. Customer should not rework it, only in case he is geek.
Ideal miner should be cold and quiet, or at least devs should try to make it cold and quiet.LTC: LiCzfZvP2oL3kAUR6n8MztkKVPbNMcEL2o
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May 11, 2015, 06:19:51 AM
Ideal miner should re-use heat energy and should be able to scale its power and efficiency - like CPUs and GPUs does, not just underclocking, but also undervolting.
You can simple make heat radiator with shell made from ASIC, but it needs to switch to better efficiency at lower power needed, not just slowering the clock. Also pre-defined times or external pin trigger should switch miner to "efficiency mode" to take an advantage of low price periods (night time). Miners should be passive cooled or very quiet for home use.
High output version of above should have the same key features, but the shell should have heat exchanger with regular pipe connections for central heating. It can also heat warm water, I think 60C is enough for most people, but chips can work at 150C+ (tested).
This is the next step to home miners, without energy re-coupling they can't compete with datacenters.
This thread is for best miner, the electrical concept (such as string design) or ROI or GUI details are not base part of best miner - it is just add-on. ROI will always reflect current diff and price.
Basically, you should divide miners at least for two main segments - home and professional miners. One 4U machine with 10THs+ will be much better even noisy for datacenter, but quiet and small box with pipe connections will be much better for home heating. Small stand-alone "HiFi size" passive or very quiet miner with HDMI output can be very useful for home mining.
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You can simple make heat radiator with shell made from ASIC, but it needs to switch to better efficiency at lower power needed, not just slowering the clock. Also pre-defined times or external pin trigger should switch miner to "efficiency mode" to take an advantage of low price periods (night time). Miners should be passive cooled or very quiet for home use.
High output version of above should have the same key features, but the shell should have heat exchanger with regular pipe connections for central heating. It can also heat warm water, I think 60C is enough for most people, but chips can work at 150C+ (tested).
This is the next step to home miners, without energy re-coupling they can't compete with datacenters.
This thread is for best miner, the electrical concept (such as string design) or ROI or GUI details are not base part of best miner - it is just add-on. ROI will always reflect current diff and price.
Basically, you should divide miners at least for two main segments - home and professional miners. One 4U machine with 10THs+ will be much better even noisy for datacenter, but quiet and small box with pipe connections will be much better for home heating. Small stand-alone "HiFi size" passive or very quiet miner with HDMI output can be very useful for home mining.
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May 11, 2015, 03:45:45 AM
This is what we really need from SFARDS and others. But this would kill their own bottom line unless they know they can't compete then it would be very disruptive to all the other big fabs out there.
The only way to break the SFARDS future monopoly in mining would be for SFARDS to produce a chip that would be put into cheap sub $20 miners and bitcoin core node units that would be after market DIY add ons that could be attached to consumer products like a potable and washing hot water heating units these add ons also provide wifi for mining the node and control of the consumer product.
Coffee Miner and Bitcoin Core Node:
Hotwater Miner and Bitcoin Core Node:
Killing two birds with one stone both the core node issue and the distributed mining issue this would be the best solution to future development and distribution of Bitcoin / Altcoins (PoW).
The only way to break the SFARDS future monopoly in mining would be for SFARDS to produce a chip that would be put into cheap sub $20 miners and bitcoin core node units that would be after market DIY add ons that could be attached to consumer products like a potable and washing hot water heating units these add ons also provide wifi for mining the node and control of the consumer product.
Coffee Miner and Bitcoin Core Node:
Hotwater Miner and Bitcoin Core Node:
Killing two birds with one stone both the core node issue and the distributed mining issue this would be the best solution to future development and distribution of Bitcoin / Altcoins (PoW).
May 11, 2015, 03:36:06 AM
0.3W/ghs at wall
10th/miner
ROI in 2 months, with calculated 10% increase each difficulty adjustment
10th/miner
ROI in 2 months, with calculated 10% increase each difficulty adjustment
Hey come on, we believe there must have some more funny creations and special miner ideas. Please not only focused on hash rate and consumption, anything interesting will be applauded.
Have you guys heard 21 Inc? Just look at the following site and you know Sfards wants to explore the same thing. So get involved and it's more interesting than you think!
“Under the company’s new business plan, 21 Inc. will inset ASIC chips for bitcoin mining into such daily devices as routers, gaming consoles, USB battery charges, toasters, set-top boxes and chipsets.”
http://www.coinspeaker.com/2015/05/10/startup-21-inc-wants-to-put-bitcoin-miner-in-toaster-9190/
Ok sorry!
Running ambient -20C-60C.
Can fit in a 40cmx40cm box, 0db noise and of course an integrated microwave owen.
And every time when it submit a share, a different nude chick picture come out from it.
May 11, 2015, 03:28:07 AM
0.3W/ghs at wall
10th/miner
ROI in 2 months, with calculated 10% increase each difficulty adjustment
10th/miner
ROI in 2 months, with calculated 10% increase each difficulty adjustment
Hey come on, we believe there must have some more funny creations and special miner ideas. Please not only focused on hash rate and consumption, anything interesting will be applauded.
Have you guys heard 21 Inc? Just look at the following site and you know Sfards wants to explore the same thing. So get involved and it's more interesting than you think!
“Under the company’s new business plan, 21 Inc. will inset ASIC chips for bitcoin mining into such daily devices as routers, gaming consoles, USB battery charges, toasters, set-top boxes and chipsets.”
http://www.coinspeaker.com/2015/05/10/startup-21-inc-wants-to-put-bitcoin-miner-in-toaster-9190/
May 11, 2015, 03:26:23 AM
talk to someone at www.bitseed.org incorp an option of a baby miner for fun (with) a bitcoin node device....even if it makes dust..just a chip or two...people would get a kick
out of it and if nothing else it promotes your chip.......something to watch besides the node chug'ing along
(i'm about to find out i suspect why this is a BAD idea in so many ways i suspect)
May 11, 2015, 03:18:57 AM
Take the Gridseed G-black approach(except for power, give us direct PCIe to the hashing boards please!). Boards that can be mounted in flexible configurations in various types of chassis and connect to an internal hub via mini or micro USB, no proprietary backplanes that change with each generation or ribbon cables to controllers that can't be upgraded or support more than a hashing board or two. Keep the mounting points and heatsink requirements the same across several generations so that home miners can buy new hashing boards and reuse the same case/fans/PSUs/heatsinks/USB hubs/etc. Use a raspberry pi or a beaglebone black for the controller, something easily moddable and hackable/replaceable. Open source your software, offer rewards for devs doing cool things with it and making new and interesting functionality. Build a few different types of cases, let miners "build their own" on your website, pick a case, pick 1/2/3 hashing boards, pick air or water cooling, etc etc.
Offer a trade-in program for old hashing boards/miners. By doing so you will inspire customer loyalty if they know that they can trade up when the new gear comes out.
Make waterblocks that can be attached at the same mounting points as the standard heatsinks and offer a setup with a massive radiator(think car or truck sized) and powerful pump/fan setup. Make it weather resistant so that home miners can move the heat/noise outside with 10-15 ft of tubing while keeping the miners themselves inside.
That's all I've got right now...
Offer a trade-in program for old hashing boards/miners. By doing so you will inspire customer loyalty if they know that they can trade up when the new gear comes out.
Make waterblocks that can be attached at the same mounting points as the standard heatsinks and offer a setup with a massive radiator(think car or truck sized) and powerful pump/fan setup. Make it weather resistant so that home miners can move the heat/noise outside with 10-15 ft of tubing while keeping the miners themselves inside.
That's all I've got right now...
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