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Topic: Shelᖚy (TPTB_need_war) Psychoanalysis. Smartest Man in the Altcoin Discussions? - page 5. (Read 8853 times)

hero member
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Let's be serious. He is smarter than the vast majority here. Anyone voting he is not smart should reveal themselves so they can have a conceptual debate with him over something in public. Very few would head him off. I believe only those tiny % that are math wizards would have a chance if they can keep the debate in their purely maths expressed/orientated domain.

I voted "Shelby would like to be smart but he isn't"

im down for arguing something for the no reason, to be fair it would be nice to pick a topic that both parties are familiar with
hero member
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Surely, it seems DecentralizeEconomics is not a big fan of TPTB_need_war.
legendary
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White Male Libertarian Bro
legendary
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White Male Libertarian Bro
he is probably autistic

And you are probably a psychiatrist and pick your nose in the bathtub while munching on cat hair balls. Amazing powers of personal insight we have just by looking at some words on a screen.

Do you even know what the word 'autistic' means.

newbie
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Shut up From Above, you narcissist. Just because you keep a low profile doesn't mean you are clean.
sr. member
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he is probably autistic

And you are probably a psychiatrist and pick your nose in the bathtub while munching on cat hair balls. Amazing powers of personal insight we have just by looking at some words on a screen.

Do you even know what the word 'autistic' means.
sr. member
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TPTB_need_war has been extremely supportive towards Monero and its technological foundation.
He has proven to be of outstanding knowledge of Cryptography and Mathemathics, as well as other disciplines.

I am proud to have him on board.   Please continue posting, good sir.

Serious?

Yes, seriously.  Don't underestimate him.  He's the man most days.
legendary
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
TPTB_need_war has been extremely supportive towards Monero and its technological foundation.
He has proven to be of outstanding knowledge of Cryptography and Mathemathics, as well as other disciplines.

I am proud to have him on board.   Please continue posting, good sir.

sr. member
Activity: 448
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TPTB_need_war has been extremely supportive towards Monero and its technological foundation.
He has proven to be of outstanding knowledge of Cryptography and Mathemathics, as well as other disciplines.

I am proud to have him on board.   Please continue posting, good sir.
newbie
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sr. member
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He's an idiot.

Thanks bro, same to you.

Do you feel better now that you got that exquisitely detailed justification off your chest? You can exhale now.

I have some extra Vaseline here if you need some more?
sr. member
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I did not use the term free market, and I indeed do not believe that term is particularly useful. The term freer market above was not a typo. Meaning comparatively more free.

I think free market is synonymous with decentralized market, i.e. high degrees-of-freedom and thus very high entropy and Shannon information.
legendary
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If i can't acquire native tokens except by willingly submitting to a centrally issued extortion scheme, then it's a permissioned ledger. 

Say hello to Bitcoin mining pools...

I agree with Fuserleer that Bitcoin is gradually losing its decentralized attribute because of the economics of mining, as the economies-of-scale increase and the block reward decreases.

Monero is ostensibly more decentralized because it is early stage and hasn't yet scaled to great economies-of-scale in mining, e.g. there is no ASIC available yet afaik.

However I don't know how eMunie plans to obtain a more wide and competitive distribution than proof-of-work. And is that topic really appropriate in a thread about me.

I've stated why I no longer like ICOs. I'll leave it at that.

That's the funny part about it.  When people complain that others are able to acquire coins at a better marginal cost, they're essentially saying they don't like free market systems.  Ironically, the first sign you have a free market is that cartels and monopolies form.  Economy of scale is just something you have to deal with and the only other option is to remove the private sector monopoly power and hand it to the government instead.  Private sector cartels/monopolies tend to have a finite lifespan, while government based monopolies tend to be immortal, less accountable, and less efficient until the entire system collapses.  So everything in both governance and finance comes down to picking the lesser evil of those two.

These are constructed systems. It is almost certainly possible to construct systems that have stronger or weaker economies of scale, or those with smaller or larger natural limits, just as such variety exists in natural systems.

So I agree with both of you in that economies of scale and cartels are part of a freer market but not all such such markets will behave the same.

By that definition, the term "free market" is no different than "everything". So obviously that can't be correct, because government manipulation, monopoly, and oligarchy would be included in everything.

I did not use the term free market, and I indeed do not believe that term is particularly useful. The term freer market above was not a typo. Meaning comparatively more free.

What you are describing is closer to a 'competitive' market.
sr. member
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If i can't acquire native tokens except by willingly submitting to a centrally issued extortion scheme, then it's a permissioned ledger.  

Say hello to Bitcoin mining pools...

I agree with Fuserleer that Bitcoin is gradually losing its decentralized attribute because of the economics of mining, as the economies-of-scale increase and the block reward decreases.

Monero is ostensibly more decentralized because it is early stage and hasn't yet scaled to great economies-of-scale in mining, e.g. there is no ASIC available yet afaik.

However I don't know how eMunie plans to obtain a more wide and competitive distribution than proof-of-work. And is that topic really appropriate in a thread about me.

I've stated why I no longer like ICOs. I'll leave it at that.

That's the funny part about it.  When people complain that others are able to acquire coins at a better marginal cost, they're essentially saying they don't like free market systems.  Ironically, the first sign you have a free market is that cartels and monopolies form.  Economy of scale is just something you have to deal with and the only other option is to remove the private sector monopoly power and hand it to the government instead.  Private sector cartels/monopolies tend to have a finite lifespan, while government based monopolies tend to be immortal, less accountable, and less efficient until the entire system collapses.  So everything in both governance and finance comes down to picking the lesser evil of those two.

These are constructed systems. It is almost certainly possible to construct systems that have stronger or weaker economies of scale, or those with smaller or larger natural limits, just as such variety exists in natural systems.

So I agree with both of you in that economies of scale and cartels are part of a freer market but not all such such markets will behave the same.

By that definition, the term "free market" is no different than "everything". So obviously that can't be correct, because government manipulation, monopoly, and oligarchy would be included in everything.

As I've explained two times already in other threads recently (Monero Speculation thread about botnets, and IOHK Waves disclaimer thread about asymmetric information of the altcoin speculation market making it centralized to reliance on "expert" hypsters), my definition of "free market" is a decentralized market. This is why botnets are a free market with competition and an opportunity cost of doing just one thing (i.e. attacking Monero).

Sorry I disagree with you both of you, because you provided a vacuous definition of "free market".

Free markets have the attribute of having many decentralized decision makers, thus they anneal to fitness, i.e. they are anti-fragile. Top-down markets have the attribute of overshooting on vested interest decisions and thus are fragile.

The act of fornication (i.e. reproduction) is a free market. There is no economy-of-scale in fornication. It is always an individual decision.
hero member
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I setup a site just for you TPTB_needs_war http://miningcountdown.com send me a message when you are ready to launch and I will do a mining countdown for you.
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legendary
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White Male Libertarian Bro
It's interesting comparing the ICO to the two options I listed above.  Instead of having private sector cartels/monopolies vs government monopolies, you have the ICO issuer just walking up and pretending that even though he put in no effort to compete in the free market to climb to the top, nor is he offering any ridiculous "I'm from the government and I'm here to help" con, he just says:

"For absolutely no reason, grant me monopoly power over the economy and allow me to extort you.  All disciples who buy in will then become part of the multi-tier extortion network, who can then attempt to mimic what I have done at the top of the pyramid".  

Anyone that believes ICOs are a legit thing and not a scam is truly an idiot.

Communist
legendary
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It's interesting comparing the ICO to the two options I listed above.  Instead of having private sector cartels/monopolies vs government monopolies, you have the ICO issuer just walking up and pretending that even though he put in no effort to compete in the free market to climb to the top, nor is he offering any ridiculous "I'm from the government and I'm here to help" con, he just says:

"For absolutely no reason, grant me monopoly power over the economy and allow me to extort you.  All disciples who buy in will then become part of the multi-tier extortion network, who can then attempt to mimic what I have done at the top of the pyramid".  

Anyone that believes ICOs are a legit thing and not a scam is truly an idiot.
legendary
Activity: 2968
Merit: 1198
If i can't acquire native tokens except by willingly submitting to a centrally issued extortion scheme, then it's a permissioned ledger.  

Say hello to Bitcoin mining pools...

I agree with Fuserleer that Bitcoin is gradually losing its decentralized attribute because of the economics of mining, as the economies-of-scale increase and the block reward decreases.

Monero is ostensibly more decentralized because it is early stage and hasn't yet scaled to great economies-of-scale in mining, e.g. there is no ASIC available yet afaik.

However I don't know how eMunie plans to obtain a more wide and competitive distribution than proof-of-work. And is that topic really appropriate in a thread about me.

I've stated why I no longer like ICOs. I'll leave it at that.

That's the funny part about it.  When people complain that others are able to acquire coins at a better marginal cost, they're essentially saying they don't like free market systems.  Ironically, the first sign you have a free market is that cartels and monopolies form.  Economy of scale is just something you have to deal with and the only other option is to remove the private sector monopoly power and hand it to the government instead.  Private sector cartels/monopolies tend to have a finite lifespan, while government based monopolies tend to be immortal, less accountable, and less efficient until the entire system collapses.  So everything in both governance and finance comes down to picking the lesser evil of those two.

These are constructed systems. It is almost certainly possible to construct systems that have stronger or weaker economies of scale, or those with smaller or larger natural limits, just as such variety exists in natural systems.

So I agree with both of you in that economies of scale and cartels are part of a freer market but not all such such markets will behave the same.
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