Maybe this can help other members to learn English language! This post is from our local section and I think this can be a good reference for those people who are struggling.
Topic: Should a post be deleted from poor grammar? - page 2. (Read 843 times)
I am not a native English Speaker but I do try my best to learn English language to make my own post understandable. The only thing that every members here to consider is that they must know when and where to reply. The chances are, if they are forcing themselves to make such post in a section where their knowledge is limited just for the bounty reward, they will create a scammy/spammy post even if they are English nazi
Maybe this can help other members to learn English language! This post is from our local section and I think this can be a good reference for those people who are struggling.
Maybe this can help other members to learn English language! This post is from our local section and I think this can be a good reference for those people who are struggling.
For me its a huge factor for a quality post but as far as the post is connected with the original post , related and somehow understandable or constructive, it shouldn’t be deleted. Just make sure that we try our best to hit the right grammar to avoid wasting our time posting wrong grammar. Try to waste time learning good grammar is a plus.
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It’s pretty straight forward I figure: If the post is readable and makes sense without needing to re-read it multiple times and derive an interpretation, rather than understand its meaning then, I figure, it will not be deleted (at least not due to grammar). If on the other hand one needs to infer a possible interpretation out of a range of multiple variants due to grammar construction, then someone may report it as low quality and, if the mod/admin agrees, it may be deleted.In any case, it is way better to argue on the matter by example, so simply providing cases of your friend’s deleted posts (he can perhaps find then in his drafts), or simply indicating his profile name (that would enable us to try to find those deleted posts), would help to analyze concrete cases rather than generically scenarios where the degree of grammar accuracy/inaccuracy is important to tangibilize.
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Mods, delete this guy's post, such poor grammar
(j/k of course)
Mods, delete this guy's post, such poor grammar
(j/k of course) The dropping of negatives seems to be an unfortunate Americanism. Phrases such as " I could care less", which are the opposite of the intended meaning, slow down reading as one has to interpret the phrase. Unfortunately, Grammarly tends to convert to US grammar and spelling, and this restricts the full use of the richness and subtlety of English.
If your post is understandable for the fellow forum members then your post won't be deleted.
But the main reason for the post getting deleted is the context of your post get reluctant which doesn't add nothing new to the discussion.
So avoid posting on the threads with too many pages which could save you from post deletion.
But the main reason for the post getting deleted is the context of your post get reluctant which doesn't add nothing new to the discussion.
So avoid posting on the threads with too many pages which could save you from post deletion.
If users are newbies, why not spend around a half of hour (or even less) to read this one:
Writing a welcome message (visit to read full content, I only quoted part of language).
There are tools for you, please see:
Basics:
Intermediate:
Advanced:
Some useful tools to help you checking your vocabulary & grammar mistakes
Writing a welcome message (visit to read full content, I only quoted part of language).
If you are fluent in any language other than English, then it is highly encouraged for you to post in your local board. These boards often have tight-knit communities which will be able to help you, and in some ways you might be at an advantage compared to English-only posters.
In the English sections, only English is allowed. It is not necessary to speak perfect English, though you should be understandable. Try your best. If you're unsure whether your English is good enough, ask in your local board or in the Beginners & Help section
Fortunately, in fact, most of time, theymos understands what users want to express.In the English sections, only English is allowed. It is not necessary to speak perfect English, though you should be understandable. Try your best. If you're unsure whether your English is good enough, ask in your local board or in the Beginners & Help section
As jackg mentioned, English is a fluid and forgiving language. Even on a pretty global forum like this, I only rarely see English so bad that I can't understand it at all. As long as you actually have some ideas to express, you should be fine. You should keep in mind that poor English is more difficult to read, though, so if you know that your English is imperfect, it'd be courteous to keep your text to-the-point, and to do some extra checking to minimize errors as much as possible. (I do the same when writing imperfectly in my second languages.)
A good recent example which comes to mind is zentdex's Where the merit pours. He made several English errors, but he was entirely understandable, and the post was overall a very good contribution.
The real problem is people posting nonsense just to post, with no real contribution to make or ideas to express. That's bad enough as-is, and poor English makes it even worse.
A good recent example which comes to mind is zentdex's Where the merit pours. He made several English errors, but he was entirely understandable, and the post was overall a very good contribution.
The real problem is people posting nonsense just to post, with no real contribution to make or ideas to express. That's bad enough as-is, and poor English makes it even worse.
- If you are unable to write understandable posts in English, stick with your local boards.
- If you are able to read acceptably understandable posts in English, do it, but always remember to do vocabulary and grammar checking. (see at the bottom of this post)
- Focus on your core ideas, and express them as best as possible (in your ability of language), and don't try to over-expand your posts too lengthy. If your English writing skill is not good, try to expand your posts for too long will make it more messy.
- Don't try to polish your posts with uncommon words
There are tools for you, please see:
Basics:
(2) Spending most of your time to read and learn
Only start composing your posts when you have something extremely constructive to discussions, topics.
Reasons:
- You are noobs, newbies (lack of knowledge, and experience), so what you think are constructive most likely unconstructive in reality.
- When you actually have reasons to start composing your posts, after finishing it, please re-read again and again to check that your posts are good in grammar, vocabularies, and good enough to express most of your ideas. I wrote most of your ideas because sometimes it is difficult for non-native English speakers to write down and completely express ideas by words. It's a challenge for non-native English speakers, who don't have English as their mother tongue.
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(6) Spend your time to improve your English, especially Reading and Writing skills
Reasons:
- If you can not read posts or topic in English well, can not get ideas of posts' / topics' authors, it means that you have nothing to do in the forum.
Remember that you have to get their ideas well enough to not misunderstand their core ideas.
- Next, after reading good enough to catch authors' ideas, it is time for you to express your own ideas in case you have something to ask for help, something to discuss, or something meaningful to help others. This is the time you need to have good enough Writing skill.
This is why I mentioned you should improve your English skills, step by step, from Reading to Writing. Of course, you can improve both skills simultaneously.
The forum is the place almost solely for discussions via Reading and Writing.
You can find available sources for English learning in the References at the end of this OP.
Only start composing your posts when you have something extremely constructive to discussions, topics.
Reasons:
- You are noobs, newbies (lack of knowledge, and experience), so what you think are constructive most likely unconstructive in reality.
- When you actually have reasons to start composing your posts, after finishing it, please re-read again and again to check that your posts are good in grammar, vocabularies, and good enough to express most of your ideas. I wrote most of your ideas because sometimes it is difficult for non-native English speakers to write down and completely express ideas by words. It's a challenge for non-native English speakers, who don't have English as their mother tongue.
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(6) Spend your time to improve your English, especially Reading and Writing skills
Reasons:
- If you can not read posts or topic in English well, can not get ideas of posts' / topics' authors, it means that you have nothing to do in the forum.
Remember that you have to get their ideas well enough to not misunderstand their core ideas.
- Next, after reading good enough to catch authors' ideas, it is time for you to express your own ideas in case you have something to ask for help, something to discuss, or something meaningful to help others. This is the time you need to have good enough Writing skill.
This is why I mentioned you should improve your English skills, step by step, from Reading to Writing. Of course, you can improve both skills simultaneously.
The forum is the place almost solely for discussions via Reading and Writing.
You can find available sources for English learning in the References at the end of this OP.
Intermediate:
Advanced:
Some useful tools to help you checking your vocabulary & grammar mistakes
Using grammarly to check typos, grammar faults
This tool is helpful for all, native or non-native English speakers. Because we all can make typos or grammar faults.
https://www.grammarly.com/ (I use this one)
http://www.whitesmoke.com/
https://www.gingersoftware.com/
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/correctme-english-grammar-help/id1193750579
You can read a review here: https://www.lifewire.com/best-spelling-and-grammar-check-apps-4176088
This tool is helpful for all, native or non-native English speakers. Because we all can make typos or grammar faults.
https://www.grammarly.com/ (I use this one)
http://www.whitesmoke.com/
https://www.gingersoftware.com/
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/correctme-english-grammar-help/id1193750579
You can read a review here: https://www.lifewire.com/best-spelling-and-grammar-check-apps-4176088
• If you struggle with English it's probably best to try stick to your Local boards. Your English does not need to be anywhere near perfect and you will not be penalised for this but if people generally can't understand what you're saying then it will likely be considered unsubstantial or spam.
A major part of this community isn't native English speakers. So I don't see any point that moderators will delete for this reason. For example me, I am not native English speaker, and there is so many wrong grammars on my post. But I have not noticed that moderators delete my post due to grammar mistakes. If post is on topic and if there is something understandable then post shouldn't deleted. But if post is meaningless and someone report that them post would deleted by moderators. There should be valid point on the post based on topic , so that kind of post will not consider as a spam even grammar isn't 100% perfect.
A friend of mine complained that his posts were deleted because is grammar was poorly constructed
There is no way for your friend to have come to that conclusion as reason for post deletion is not given on the message sent out.
So, I guess.he was aware that his post had poor grammar and hence felt that was the reason, and he should consider working on it.
But perfect grammar is not necessary for communication on the forum, and would not get you censored. He should also review his content quality.
if you're can understand despite grammar poor then syntax not matter because communication critical is most and ideas underlying matter more than sticking to confusing rules in english
As long as the post itself is on-topic and understandable, grammer should matter much:
I do want to hear the thoughts of people who can't speak perfect English
Shouldn't**
Mods, delete this guy's post, such poor grammar
(j/k of course) OP, the thing is that in 99% of the cases, posts with poor grammar are also insubstantial.
Of course there isn't a real way to measure this, but it has just been my personal experience.
If your friend wrote posts that consisted of just 1 or 2 sentences, while also containing poorly grammar, mods are justified in removing those.
I suspect this was the case, but do add some examples if you have any.
If your friends post is both syntactically and semantically faulty, then it was rightfully deleted, I think one of this can go, for example a post could be syntactically incorrect, in the sense that the OP doesn't arrange the post in a grammatically correct manner, but if it's meaning(semantics)can still be picked out, then it can be accepted.
But when a post breaks the rules of syntax by being ungrammatical as well as makes no meaning(semantics)then you should expect such posts to be deleted by the mods.
Meaning is actually what is looked out for in a post, that was probably lacking in your friends post, and maybe that's why it was deleted.
But when a post breaks the rules of syntax by being ungrammatical as well as makes no meaning(semantics)then you should expect such posts to be deleted by the mods.
Meaning is actually what is looked out for in a post, that was probably lacking in your friends post, and maybe that's why it was deleted.
First of all, I'm glad this thread got moved to Meta. I reported it as appropriate to either B&H or Meta, not Bitcoin Discussion as OP originally had it.
Now, as far as grammar is concerned: it's been my experience that members here who write English with very poor grammar are usually (but not always) shitposters. If the grammar is bad enough, their posts just don't make sense and I've found that they end up repeating the same shit over and over in a post, probably to pad its length. So if someone comes across one of these grammatically-challenged gems and reports it as a low-value post, the mods are likely to agree with the report.
What you ought to know is that there are members here whose command of English isn't great, but they're very helpful to the community. I think whether posts are deleted or not depends on how constructive the post is and probably which section it's posted in. Different mods cover different sections. So the answer to the question in the title is basically it depends.
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Funny how OP was already on my ignore list for being a shitposter. I doubt he's talking about a friend here, and if he is it's probably a fellow sig spammer.
Now, as far as grammar is concerned: it's been my experience that members here who write English with very poor grammar are usually (but not always) shitposters. If the grammar is bad enough, their posts just don't make sense and I've found that they end up repeating the same shit over and over in a post, probably to pad its length. So if someone comes across one of these grammatically-challenged gems and reports it as a low-value post, the mods are likely to agree with the report.
What you ought to know is that there are members here whose command of English isn't great, but they're very helpful to the community. I think whether posts are deleted or not depends on how constructive the post is and probably which section it's posted in. Different mods cover different sections. So the answer to the question in the title is basically it depends.
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Funny how OP was already on my ignore list for being a shitposter. I doubt he's talking about a friend here, and if he is it's probably a fellow sig spammer.
If the grammar mistake is beyond comprehensible by the majority of the members then I think it's really a good candidate to be reported to the mods. The point of posting here in the forum is you want your message to be seen by others and the good part of it is they need to understand what you are trying to say but if your grammar is very bad then nothing can be taken from your post, it will be considered a worthless post. @OP how does your "friend" even know that the reason why it got deleted was due to bad grammar? If a mod has deleted your post there is no reason why it got deleted so I just guess that your "friend" here is guessing its just due to grammar, his posts that are being deleted might just be irrelevant to the topic he is posting it.
A friend of mine complained that his posts were deleted because is grammar was poorly constructed, I was like,it should not be and that it must be more to it.
If for any reason a post will be deleted for such, it must have been that the post is such meaningless that the point is not clear enough. Please am I right? Or what do you think?
If for any reason a post will be deleted for such, it must have been that the post is such meaningless that the point is not clear enough. Please am I right? Or what do you think?
How did your friend conclude that his posts were deleted because of grammar? For sure, there's another reason unless some of his English posts were constructed so much poorly that even how far we concentrate and focus to read it several times, we can't understand what's the meaning of it.
I'm assuming most of that deleted post were in his inbox (in case of deleted threads, there is no notifs). Since you already have knowledge about some of the reasons why posts got deleted, you can ask your friend to show you his inbox so that you will able to see those deleted post. You can now conclude from there if that post was a real candidate for deletion.
In my opinion, a post shouldn't be deleted just from poor grammar. The most important things are the quality and clarity of posts. If you are spamming then your message deserves to be deleted.
If it's really just a case of poor grammar to an extent of not getting their points across, there's no need to force themself to talk to a wall, there's always the local board(or section) to lean into. They can stick there until they improve enough.
For me, poor grammar should not become the main reason why a post should be deleted. We're not all native English speakers here. As long as the thought is there and the message makes sense, it should be considered. But even so, we must still take effort to improve our grammar since it can cause misinterpretations.
You're right about that the post could have been meaningless that's why it has been removed or deleted. It may be spam, or your friend must have been just rewriting what everybody else already posted. Please advise your friend to take time to study the thread he or she intended to post into.
You're right about that the post could have been meaningless that's why it has been removed or deleted. It may be spam, or your friend must have been just rewriting what everybody else already posted. Please advise your friend to take time to study the thread he or she intended to post into.
Your "friend's" post getting deleted is a lot less likely due to his/her grammar, but most probably because of his/her posts being redundant or unconstructive(or scammy and or spammy). If his/her post was really deleted due to bad grammar, then his/her grammar should be really really bad and incomprehensible for it to be deleted. I'm guessing that that's not the case though, I've seen numerous posts in the past where the grammar was really bad(though comprehensible enough), and the mods/admins didn't delete it.
usually whenever people get their posts deleted the first thing they think of was that the deletion was unjust instead of thinking about what they did wrong and trying not to repeat it.
tell your "friend" to show you the deleted posts, or simply go through his history. you, as someone who has been around since Feb 2017 should be able to tell if he is spamming or not!
tell your "friend" to show you the deleted posts, or simply go through his history. you, as someone who has been around since Feb 2017 should be able to tell if he is spamming or not!
If the message is understandable then I do not think grammar makes much impact. There are a lot of users around who has very poor grasp of English grammar and vocabulary but they are doing fine.
I would say there are something else with your friend's post. As LoyceV suggested, if you can bring some examples then may be some of the users can examine it.
I would say there are something else with your friend's post. As LoyceV suggested, if you can bring some examples then may be some of the users can examine it.
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