Topic: Should BESTCHANGE pay proven willing scam facilitators like nutildah to post? (Read 1102 times)

I notice that nutildah removed his red tag for daring to relay the undeniable truth to another member that had a red tag and replaced it with a new accusation of smelling strongly of garlic.

I mean clearly that is a joke but still this is clearly trust abuse.

Another slimy dirt bag. Your username just sounds snake like.
Now

Debunk the proof that nutildah is a willing scam facilitator for pay who tries to delete his post history when caught.

Or discuss whether bestpay should be sponsoring willing scam facilitators for pay that try to delete their past and trust abuse whistleblowers in an attempt to prevent legitimate warnings ?

Now stop trying to sound cool whilst obviously looking like a coward and making up excuses for those guilty of financially motivated wrongdoing.

Oh and yeah fuck off.

wtf is wrong with you?

(I just love pressing the hissy fit button.... lets see if I trigger it again....)

yeah yeah have a wonderful night sweetheart.

Lol I offer you a challenge and you come back with

I replied to someone on a thread by posting verifiable truths regarding your past.. so I'm the bad guy. Lol haha

I will state the verifiable truth to who the fuck I want you willing scam facilitating trust abusing little peasant cunt.
Now take my challenge to defend you past actions and answer my questions or fuck off and hide away.

Lol spoke the truth to someone on the forum.

Desperate little turd.

I've seen zero proof the person I'm replying to is a scammer before. That matters not one bit to the truth I'm presenting.

Present it on another thread. I'll perhaps review it when I've finished roasting trust abusing willing scam facilitators for pay that delete their post history who have infiltrated default trust.

Hey you replied to someone by posting verifiable truth and reason =  just as bad as me says nutildah  lol

Keep entertaining me jester.

More bullshit...the only person will talk to me. You're chatting to me right now.

Now defend your past actions rather than deflecting and making desperately hoping to divert.

Trying to use the trust system to prevent valid warnings directly related to financially motivated wrongdoing is equally as bad if not worse than your initial despicable greedy willing scam facilitating for pay for which you insisted others must be punished for.

Conferring ? Or telling? Or discussing ?

Just speaking the verfiable truth you filthy weasel. 

You tell the truth about scammers or scam facilitators on a public forum = if that's not scam facilitating I don't know what is says nutildah. Lol

How's this for double standards?

You've taken to literally conferring with an actual scammer, because he's the only person who will talk to you. If that's not scam facilitation, I don't know what is.

Is direct scamming worse than what nutildah is guilty of ?

I mean a scammer that doesnt threaten and punish other scammers for doing the same is not guilty of double standards.

Also punishing people for whistle blowing is a terrible thing to do.

Abusing that trust system to punish those that tell the truth to deter others in the hope of preventing valid scam warnings. ?

Well nutildah isn't special actually.

Any scammer or provably directly financially dangerous scumbag that has weaseled it's way into a position from which it can prevent or inhibit legitmate scam warnings is especially dangerous and should be treated as a priority case.

This is far and above the danger posted by a simple garden variety scammer.

The capability to discredit, deter and punish those posting legitmate warnings of scammer and willing scam facilitators for pay is one that needs to be take very seriously.

Well, that is unavoidably logical.

From that perspective, more worrisome to me is that it gives an excuse to account sellers.  If nutildah or suchmoon tries to tag an account seller or a sold account, the person receiving negative trust feedback can point and say, “Why do I get negged when nutildah offered his own account for sale, and may actually have sold it, without any consequences?”

Of course, suchmoon would simply brush that off as “whataboutism”, i.e. a concept with a kernel of truth that gets abused as a liberal’s blank cheque for unlimited hypocrisy.


I reasonably disagree.  If the nutildah account was actually sold, that should be an enormous scandal.  A high-trust account with an established reputation passing into unknown hands undermines the whole concept of trust and reputation; and as a practical matter, it is dangerous to the community.  Who bought the account?  What were the motives of the buyer for purchasing an established account?  To what ends has the account been used since it was sold, leveraging the reputation of the person who created the account?

I am reasonably suspicious; and given the generally dishonest behaviour of the nutildah account, especially (but not limited to) its tendency to cover its tracks by scrubbing old posts, I am no longer willing to take at face value nutildah’s bare assertion that he changed his mind and never sold the account.  I want to know if there is more evidence (and I think there is).

Of course, that is my standard.  According to suchmoon’s standards, nutildah should already have at least a DT “neutral” tag stating that he probably sold his account to a well-known scammer, or something of that nature.

I want evidence.  Investigation is needed.  Well, you are apparently too busy enjoying a mountain of money; and for personal reasons, I have for the forum only limited time that I am not inclined to devote to chasing nutildah.  I have a months-long backlog of intended posts—technical, political, and for Reputation and Scam Accusations.  Why is nutildah so special?

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The “drama” is not all contained in OP.  Anyway, argumentum ad hominem at OP does not prove that he has no point here; and much less does it obviate the subsequent discussion.  Say, doesn’t this get your scamfighting hackles up at least a little bit?


Password changed 10 times within 11 weeks, including several closely-spaced clusters of repeated password changes.  Of course, it does not prove that the account was sold or otherwise compromised.  Occam’s Leary’s Razor says that most likely explanation is that nutildah, an admitted LSD user, had a string of bad trips that made him even more paranoid than usual.

To be clear, that is sarcasm.  It would be a terrible excuse—and it would be funny if nutildah were actually to allege that as the explanation.

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You have identified the apex of suchmoon’s vocabulary.  No wonder she accuses me of wordiness.


If you’re keeping score, and my opposition is at 0, then I, nullius, should aim to achieve ∞²/0².

Alas, that is mathematically undefined.  Perhaps I should borrow an acid tab from nutildah, and expand my mind so that I can invent some new maths and/or obsessively hurl unsupported alt accusations at forum members who make me paranoid.  Reality is for squares²!

Quickseller is wrong.

1.  To apply pressure to those proven to be guilty of financially dangerous behaviour aka scamming or willing scam facilitating for pay is not how the left operate. This is how DT operates and applies pressure to every other member of the forum.

You are claiming this is wrong? Take it up with them.


2.  The only thing left to prove is that someone is guilty of financially dangerous behaviors.
Nutildah is by his own definition willing to facilitate scammers for a fee.

This is indisputable when reviewing the evidence.

Now pick a specific part of that you wish to refute.

No more abstracts bullshit.

I dont give one fuck about the account selling aspect.

To nutildah

Account selling = scam facilitating.

He is certainly. He wanted to give red tags. He wanted a list of the account selling scam facilitators created.

Account selling = scam facilitating.

He was willing to scam facilitate for 300 bucks.

Now lol at the freedom of speech.

Stop preventing scammers and those proven to be willing to facilitate scams from being paid to post is now preventing freedom of speech?

No double standards. If you are proven to be a scammer or willing to facilitate scamming and try to hide the evidence you get a tag and not paid to post here.

There is no other way to see it  

Else all scammers and those setting up scams , willing to facilitate scammers or knowingly promote scammers must not have their freedoms of speech removed by not being able to paid to post.

I dont give a fuck if he sold his account or not.
Although it looks very suspicious that

1. He was a nem stake holder 300btc
2. He was an early dash adopter. Went to 1k per coin
3. He never wanted to have a signature by his own words

Now

Broke ass sig spammer begging for 0.02btc loans.


Where is that rat cunt nutildah to defend himself and explain his prior actions.

Lol at jolly good the king of double standards weasel trying to claim

Oh well a bunch of greedy self elected sig spamming scam protecting shit bags couldn't find any financially motivated wrongdoing on you so we applied red tags because you presented independently verifiable evidence we are corrupt scum

So that proves you are the bad guy lol.

This thread is full of broke bum scammers and losers that I enjoy roasting

Also just sold another 12 million + doge yesterday. Just for fun. That's the beauty of being on the launch of pow coins. Not spamming for btc dust here you pathetic dregs.

Still as long as nutildah can afford rice in his mud hut I'm feeling he has it too easy.
Eat shit scum bag.

Anyone with proven scamming or proven willingness to facilitate scamming for a price who then tries to delete the evidence must be held to the same standards these DT scum want to hold others too.

Any project knowingly sponsoring those proven to be willing to scam or to willingly facilitate scamming must be warned.

These defenses are flimsy and do not hold well once you compare them to what DT pushes on others.

Funny how the odd DT with red tags can still be paid to post.
Funny how DTs that are by their own admission willing to facilitate scams and then delete evidence are not given red tags by other DT

Sponsors are the weak link in this collusion and double standards
Time to make sure these poor sponsors reputations are not sullied with these slimy tactics.

Hire proven scammers or those willing to facilitate others being scammed for a fee ?
Then just come out and admit it. Yes we will sponsor scammers and those willing to scam others for a fee.

I wont stop you speaking the truth? I want the truth spoken as much and as widely as possible.

People can research and examine the evidence for themselves.

This is not about account selling.

I dont give a fuck about account selling this is simply an insight into how willing nutildah is to facilitate scamming if he is paid for it, the double standards he wants to red tag others but doesnt want a red tag for it  and trying to hide his prior wrongdoing for which he is ashamed.

He is simply willing to facilitate scamming for a price. He wanted other people punished for the same.

Hey I think X is scam facilitating.
Hey I will punish people for doing X
Hey here I am doing X myself because I think I can get  300 bucks
Hey I didnt get 300 bucks even though I did X for 6 months.
Hey I don't want to get punished for doing X

Lol try to remove the account sale if it makes it easier folks.

Ffs

He is by his own definition willing to facilitate other members being scammed for 300 bucks
He will try to delete the evidence

Should he be in default trust?
Should he be getting paid to post?

Answers of a postcard please.

Other people are punished for presenting independently verified truths

Lol that's  DT for you? Why because they will enable anything for a price of a sig.

Sure I suspect the original nutildah sold his account.
But I also cum with immense strength and intensity when I allow myself to think of nutildah being gifted 10s of millions of dollars and now begging for 0.02btc loans and spamming for dust. What a fucking loser lol

Win win.

Still we cant have double standards being forced on people.
People must live by their own rules. Especially when it involves punishing people financially.

Hey, what.about.me? Seriously.
I cannot be the account farmer or the wordy blowhard, and most likely not the hypertroll either, so WTF?
This offending behavior can mean one of the three things, and three things only:

1. You have me on ignore. That's actually good for everyone.
2. You don't have me on ignore, but you despise giving this boy a little love and attention. Why?
3. You're stunned and have no words for me, and you'll love me for ever and ever, regardless.



That's ... that's a very good idea honey bunny.

#deepsheeet

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Oh btw: nully vs DT troll officiales, 800 - 0

And to think I just hit the un-ignore button to read what this drama was about... pathetic attempts at attention seeking again by this troll Laudanum.

Yes BestChange should pay nutildah $100 per week in BTC if he promotes their services

nutildah is not a scam facilitator

Adding the OP troll back where he belongs on my ignore list and am hitting the unwatch button on my way out of this feeble attempt of a thread at attention seeking by the troll OP

I have already addressed nutildah’s imitation of Timothy Leary, the LSD evangelist who destroyed the minds of generations of American “intellectuals”.  Now, let us examine Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals.

Because book-length “walls of text” are incomprehensible to suchmoon, I will draw a brief summary from the well-known extreme right-wing conspiracy theory site known as “Wikipedia”:




This is how suchmoon and nutildah deflect and evade my eminently reasonable, fact-oriented discussion.

Quickseller entered this thread to speak up for nutildah’s freedom of speech, despite his obvious and well-founded dislike for nutildah.  His reward:  This whole discussion is suddenly a matter of “Quicksy making shit up” (!).


Further analysis is left as an exercise to the reader.

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Although I don’t know if either nutildah or suchmoon has actually read Rules for Radicals, and I doubt that either of them is even capable of reading a whole book, the substantial use of its tactics is widely taught in left-wing circles; and their imprint on a discussion is obvious to anyone who is well-informed about them.

To anyone who has a brain and isn’t afraid to use it, people who use such tactics to twist public discourse come across as transparently dishonest, foolish, and childish.  But the above-quoted “Rules” make highly effective propaganda for brainwashing anyone who lacks adequate critical thinking skills.

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I entered this thread—actually, I only even found this thread because suchmoon made the following off-topic personal attack in a Politics & Society debate where PrimeNumber7 was thoroughly trouncing nutildah:

An exact, unedited full quotation of suchmoon’s post:

Check the context.  Observe how, after PrimeNumber7 used facts and reason to shoot down some of nutildah’s idiocy, suchmoon stepped in to deflect ad hominem with a personal attack that has neither any relevance to the thread, nor any basis in reality.  suchmoon further smeared Quickseller by cherry-picking part of a quote, while removing the tag’s link attribute so that people could not click through to see that Quickseller was actually defending nutildah’s freedom of expression (albeit not defending nutildah himself).  Of course, suchmoon snipped out anything that PrimeNumber7 had actually said.

I saw that post because, although I am not generally following the forum right now, I occasionally glance through the e-mailed copies of replies in threads where I have posted.  It caught my eye.  Although suchmoon dishonestly avoided linking to this thread in any way, that post tipped me that I should check Reputation for new threads about nutildah.  So, I guess that the tactic backfired there.  Whoops!

I can't disclose my sources but they are almost as reliable as Quicksy making shit up.

Wait a minute... that's my kink! Who told you about that??   

I stand corrected. This is much more serious than being married to a doctor. The dream team consisting of a hypertroll, a wordy blowhard, and an account farmer without a doubt has the capacity to make up any stupid shit they want and prove it with circular reasoning and secret sources. Nutildah should be tarred and feathered and forced to listen to Taylor Swift for 3 weeks for the grave crime of having the audacity to offend or otherwise fail to worship the aforementioned dipshits.

I don't like double standards either. I would agree that nutildah is probably benefiting from double standards. Do I like it? No. Am I going to make a big deal about it? Also no.

You are putting pressure on bestchange to stop paying him for his speech (posts). Removing one's ability to earn income from speaking is the same as preventing him from speaking. This is a common tactic on the left to control what people say.

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I would encourage you to take nullius' advice and look for evidence his account changed hands.  You can use tools run by forum members, but only trust the results as much as you trust the forum member. If you find evidence his account changed hands, you can present the evidence. I think it is well established that nothing will happen to nutildah for offering his account for sale years ago, with the reasoning being irrelevant.

Good question.  Let’s see:

https://web.archive.org/web/20210129212517/https://bpip.org/Profile?p=nutildah

https://web.archive.org/web/20200510115833/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1622642.0
Post date: September 20, 2016, 06:54:36 PM
"Last edit: November 01, 2019, 10:32:27 AM by nutildah"
(Apparently edited in response to TOAA’s accusation?)

Earliest archive that I can find in a hurry:
https://web.archive.org/web/20190704162438/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1622642.0

In July of 2017, when the account sale offer thread had apparently not been bumped for almost nine months, nutildah suddenly issued this denial:


It is still more than a year prior to the weird string of password changes.  That does not necessarily mean that the account was not sold prior to that post—and it obviously doesn’t prove that the person who originally offered the account for sale didn’t change his mind again.  I am hereby simply stating facts; I will decline to state here whatever inferences I may draw from this timeline.

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OP, if you want to pursue this, I suggest that you look for any circumstantial evidence indicating when the account may have been sold.  Establishing a timeline is important.

I have some other suspicions about the nutildah account, but I am not ready to discuss those publicly.  nutildah has a nasty habit of editing or deleting posts to cover his tracks; and I don’t want to give even the slightest hint of what type of thing he should look to scrub.  I am pressed for time lately; and forum DT-related investigations are quite low on my priority list.

If you sift nutildah’s post history for leads, I suggest that you should avoid saying anything publicly, and avoid sharing information with anyone who may warn nutildah, until you have built a solid case with archives of everything that you could potentially need.  That’s not covering anything up; to the contrary, it is how police detectives handle investigations.

If the nutildah account really was sold, such an approach would be far more effective than repeated threads restating information that most Reputation regulars already know.  For better or for worse, many people seem to accept nutildah’s explanation that he “decided to keep” the account.

There is no attacking anyone.

Does the victim of a robbery attack the robber by reporting him to the police?

Does the child victim of a pedophilia attack his abuser in later life by reporting him to the school the pedo is now a caretaker at?


Lol at attacking Nutildah.

This shit stain nutildah has proven he is willing to facilitate scamming for a price.

He has also proven he will try to hide the evidence once busted.


https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.52697074

Read comprehend and understand.

How is this concept difficult to grasp?



Has ANYONE read the link provided entirely to the end of that thread?

1.. quickseller

You are wrong. I am pushing for the abolishion of double standards.
This shit cunt weasel nutildah the willing scam facilitator for pay is running around trust abusing others accounts for simply daring to whistle blow on him. He is using the shitty broken control systems on this forum to conduct financially motivated wrongdoing by his own definition with impunity aka he is trust abusing people that dare to present independently verifiable truths that he is untrustworthy by his own definition and observable actions.

Where do you get I'm punishing him for a different opinion to myself ?

What about punishing scammers? Perhaps their opinion is that scamming is okay?
So yes I guess that would be a difference of opinion.

I'm not attacking his right to earn. I'm pointing out nutildah and the rest of DT claim those that demonstrate they are financially dangerous or willing to facilitate scamming for a price and they to hide the facts should not be milking the forum.

Also in future only respond to me if you will bring details to corroborate your musings
No point just leaving abstract rubbish then refusing to supply details when asked.
Like on the freedom of speech politics thread. You just say I'm wrong and refuse to give any details or enter a debate
I can't see the point of this sort of retort. If you say someone is wrong then explain why in detail.




2. Direposting burger flipper.

Because you're a broke down peasant and feel the dust your sig affords you is anything other than chump change then you may be forgiven for thinking others would be motivated to waste time for such meager rewards.

The community? You mean the colluding mass of greedy losers that have been here years and are still needing their btc dust sig?
Lol the dregs of the community that has been left here whilst the rest of the community are multi millionaires or better.

Think about it? CH was given 300 BTC for saying his name. Lol and that is if he didnt have other nem stakes. Sure some I hear he sold early but I'm sure if you post from multiple accounts 24/7 for the rest of your life you may have 1% of the same wealth he spends on watches a year. Lol. I mean you have people coming here with a few hundred bucks and CH made millionaires for free with his tips. Go ahead and research. You're embarrassing yourself speculating on things you dont have the capacity to correctly process.


ALMOST MADE A MISTAKE ?

Post your argument so I can crush it again.

I enjoy picking you all apart with specifics.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.52697074

Read and try again.



3. Nullius.

Maybe he uses drugs to dull the pain of being the biggest loser on the forum. If this really is the orignal nem stake holder and early dash adopter nutildah recently begging for 0.02btc loans. Lol

Maybe hard drugs can be hard on your crypto stash.

I don't see how one can demonstrate they are more untrustworthy than running around screaming that those selling accounts are facilitating scammers and they must be tagged and punished. That you will make lists of all account seller and see  they are punished.
Going into detail on how account sales can be leveraged to scam.

Then saying who wants to buy my account for 300 bucks ish and leaving it for sale for 6 months?
Then later trying to hide the evidence?

Did it sell?

1. Was the password changed?
2. Why was a nem stake holder and early dash adopter recently begging for 0.02 BTC loans?

This is as untrustworthy and financially dangerous as they come. If you feel so strongly about something you are running around punishing others or arguing with mods publically about? Then you will do it for just 300bucks?

What would he do for a bitcoin lol


I'm not attacking nutildahs income. I'm warning projects about the real nature of the scammy scum bags they are sponsoring.

The innocent are attacked. Scammers and scum like nutildah attack their whistleblowers using the dumbass trust system.

Nutildah is high risk. A man that will run around screaming others are scam facilitating then do the same for 300 bucks then try to hide it and defame anyone that presents those inconvenient truths is a piece of untrustworthy shit. The rest of DT are also for colluding with him.

Fuck nutildah. I will be presenting this same evidence to each new sponsor that sponsors those that by their own words and actions have defined themselves as financially dangerous or scammy.


This is nothing to do with account selling in general.

It is about doing something you state is categorically wrong that will negatively effect honest members to the point you want all persons engaging in it punished and you are going to punish them yourself.

Then you say you will willingly do the same thing yourself so long as you get paid 300bucks

Then you try to delete the evidence

Then you punish others with a scam tag for daring to show others the evidence you tried to delete.

Got it yet?

Read the thread linked in the OP. All of it.  ALL of nutildahs quotes there.

He is certain that selling accounts leads to people getting scammed. Certain and is gonna do something about it lol.

What a slimy cunt.

Regarding suchmoon

Of course she can see this is greedy and financially dangerous behavior.

But as we saw with mozprognoz.

Suchmoon can see someone is willing to facilitate scamming or working with scammers for a price.
But keep silent until it suits her to crush them.
Like as soon as mozprognoz called her fat and said she should be taking care of her kids rather than talking shit on here 24/7
Then she reveals the evidence that crushed poor old moggy.

This is untrustworthy behavior really although not on the nutildah level.
Still I would not call her/him/it trustworthy for sure.

The majority of DTl are greedy self serving scum. The rest of DT are weak and pathetic.
The dregs of the forum with a few exceptions.

You and Og seem to love sarcastic phrases like that, seeing how they are mentally easier to write than what you actually mean.

https://www.goodtherapy.org/blog/the-problem-with-sarcasm-0815185

Doctors are successful.  If you were to marry one, it would be the doctor that was insulted, not you.