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legendary
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This is not true.

About USA:
The money that you are getting has completely made you biased beyond repair.

It's about you. (and me in some fact) I will even merit this, because it's perfectly fits to any gambling supporter.

I will not compensate you anything. The same if you'll jump from a roof i will not go to prison because of that. Even if i advertised this house or a roof. Because you have your brain and i doubt that you have certificate from hospital that you're ill and not responsible for your actions.
Quoted for reference. I will now go invest in this legitimate company and when I become rich (and I will very soon given the very juicy returns), I will share it with everyone who advertises it. If I get scammed, I will hold you and anyone else advertising Yobit accountable.

Ehm, what?
"You told me that you will not compensate me anything, and i think that this is scam, but i will invest in it and you will be guilty in that!"

"O мaй гaд Лayдa, ты чтo, кpeйзи?"


Edit:
What i'm trying to say: You can't accuse someone while doing the same (in fact) things. So we have here two ways: do not accuse anyone, or accuse anyone with crystal reputation. And shilling shitty gamblings is not fitted for point "crystal reputation"
legendary
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If Yobit is banned from the forum then I will tag every and any user showing the banner after the ban is enforced but any user displaying the banner would probably get banned quick-time anyway.
If Yobit is banned as in sig. banned, then they won't be able to wear them anyway (theymos stripped all the signatures last time for 60 days). And we are likely going to end up with "we're letting this one slide" until we have a "Yobit 2.0" case.
legendary
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There is a difference between somebody deliberately promoting something they believe to be a scam and somebody who promotes the same thing but does not believe it is a scam.

I'm not convinced that Vispillo thinks he is advertising a "scam".. I think he thinks he is advertising a somewhat useful exchange that also happens to have some very stupid "investments" and gimmicks associated with it..
I don't think he is maliciously trying to get people scammed..
I also agree that from his posts that here is no evidence he is trying to get anybody scammed but he should be very careful about the words he uses when he expresses his opinions because he called it a scam and he called it a pyramid scheme. Further implying that victims should either not invest or should invest but sell up/get out before the scam implodes and allowing other victims to carry the can - again is not a good thing.



Like I mentioned to you a while ago, YOU are the expert scambuster here.. Is it a "scam" or not?
All tags or no tags IMO..
You give me more credit than I deserve  Grin

I have been fairly inactive investigating scams for some time now and am no expert scam-buster but I do have an opinion. In my opinion Yobit is a scam but I will not tag all users showing the Yobit banner simply because there are people in this forum that display the Yobit banner believing it is not a scam. I will tag every single participant of any project that I become aware of that claims they knowingly are promoting a scam.



I don't know if it's a "scam".. I know I don't like them because Yobit is a spam financier..
It's just as scammy to me as it was years ago and yet here they still are..

If ya'll pro scambusters think they are a scam then GOOD..
Get TF rid of them to where they won't come back already, and stop their spaming and all this drama over them..

a well-known scam. We are not talking about something that is allegedly a scam.. Undecided

It looks like Lauda is quite confident that it's a scam..
Gotta admit that Lauda has some balls..
If Yobit is banned from the forum then I will tag every and any user showing the banner after the ban is enforced but any user displaying the banner would probably get banned quick-time anyway.
legendary
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In my country, people who advertising gambling services is also punished by law. Not only in my - in USA, in EU and many other.
This is not true.

I will not compensate you anything. The same if you'll jump from a roof i will not go to prison because of that. Even if i advertised this house or a roof. Because you have your brain and i doubt that you have certificate from hospital that you're ill and not responsible for your actions.
Quoted for reference. I will now go invest in this legitimate company and when I become rich (and I will very soon given the very juicy returns), I will share it with everyone who advertises it. If I get scammed, I will hold you and anyone else advertising Yobit accountable.

The more responses I get and the more that I read, the case to tag everyone as opposed to singular cases (as I previously quoted eddie) grows stronger.

P.S: Here we go again. While anyone Yobit promoters silently making their money, i'm argue with Yobit haters and as in russian "Бyдy кaк вceгдa кpaйним". At least, increasing my english skills Tongue
You are Russian?
legendary
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Do you think that people who advertise ponzis do not get punished by law?

In my country, people who advertising gambling services is also punished by law. Not only in my - in USA, in EU and many other.

You are knowingly enabling and promoting them, and by doing so are increasing the user base of potential victims of their scam product.

You advertising gambling where people lost their money so you "are inscreasing the user base of potential victims".
Or people who will lost their money on dice it's not victims, but people who will lost their money in invest box - it is? "O мaй гaд Лayдa, ты чтo, кpeйзи?" No, really.

In my childhood, when casinos and gamblings were allowed in Ukraine, a man from our house, in fact, our neighbor killed his wife with an butcher axe because she tried to stop he from going to shitty casino. And you're advertising such shit, so you're increasing the probability of such cases.

I can understand people without signature, or people with mixers signature or any other service who is calling "you doing bad thing, man". But i will not listen blinded people who wear shitty gambling signatures, promoting services which is destroing someone's lives and trying to accuse me in something. That's all, discussion end.


That I knowingly went to get scammed? That you're only advertising a different product of a scamming entity so it's alright? Will you compensate me for my money?

I will not compensate you anything. The same if you'll jump from a roof i will not go to prison because of that. Even if i advertised this house or a roof. Because you have your brain and i doubt that you have certificate from hospital that you're ill and not responsible for your actions.


P.S: Here we go again. While anyone Yobit promoters silently making their money, i'm argue with Yobit haters and as in russian "Бyдy кaк вceгдa кpaйним". At least, increasing my english skills Tongue
legendary
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I'm not getting scammed while using Yobit exchanger. Why anyone another should? I mean if you prove that my signature which i'm wearing now - is scam (or at least with high probability) i'll remove it. But if you tried to give me narrative like "Yobit - scam" when you should better try, because i'm using it and don't have any problems with it. Yep, i'm not investing in "investbox" or something another shit. But i don't see any reason why anyone another should do that. Or at least forced to do that.

here is my topic about real scam - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53659941
You can notice that it's enough different. User was fooled, ToS was edited (to cover malicious actions), feedbacks were deleted and money were stolen.

I don't see such kind of actions from Yobit. I would call it like "use it carefully using your brain".

The same example with your signature - noone is forced to use gambling, but without brain anyone will obvious lost all his money. There is not any chance to "win" in long distance. Despite some idiots telling another.

So mu view is clear: Invest box is scam, but Yobit itself it's not. It's the same as gambling. If you have conscience to advertise gambling, when i will advertise Yobit.
The money that you are getting has completely made you biased beyond repair. Do you think that people who advertise ponzis do not get punished by law? You are knowingly enabling and promoting them, and by doing so are increasing the user base of potential victims of their scam product. Whether you yourself got directly scammed or not is irrelevant. This is one of the most pathetic displays of "trustworthy members" in these numbers in the recent years on this forum.

What would happen if I went and used the investbox now and got scammed? Will you protect Yobit again, under what pretenses? That I knowingly went to get scammed? That you're only advertising a different product of a scamming entity so it's alright? Will you compensate me for my money?
legendary
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Have you lost your mind?

No.

Do you really believe that people aren't getting scammed as a indirect and direct consequence of your advertising?

I'm not getting scammed while using Yobit exchanger. Why anyone another should? I mean if you prove that my signature which i'm wearing now - is scam (or at least with high probability) i'll remove it. But if you tried to give me narrative like "Yobit - scam" when you should better try, because i'm using it and don't have any problems with it. Yep, i'm not investing in "investbox" or something another shit. But i don't see any reason why anyone another should do that. Or at least forced to do that.

here is my topic about real scam - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53659941
You can notice that it's enough different. User was fooled, ToS was edited (to cover malicious actions), feedbacks were deleted and money were stolen.

I don't see such kind of actions from Yobit. I would call it like "use it carefully using your brain".

The same example with your signature - noone is forced to use gambling, but without brain anyone will obvious lost all his money. There is not any chance to "win" in long distance. Despite some idiots telling another.

So mu view is clear: Invest box is scam, but Yobit itself it's not. It's the same as gambling. If you have conscience to advertise gambling, when i will advertise Yobit.
legendary
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It's promising mathematically impossible returns.Therefore, it can objectively be nothing other than a scam.

As i see, noone advertising Yobit invest box. So, what's a problem? All who weared signature were tagged by suchmoon with neutral tags (and still tagged as i remember). So, again, what's a problem?
So not directly advertising the ponzi/scam, but rather the creator/owner of the ponzi/scam is okay? Have you lost your mind? Do you really believe that people aren't getting scammed as a indirect and direct consequence of your advertising?
legendary
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It's promising mathematically impossible returns.Therefore, it can objectively be nothing other than a scam.

As i see, noone advertising Yobit invest box. So, what's a problem? All who weared signature were tagged by suchmoon with neutral tags (and still tagged as i remember). So, again, what's a problem?
legendary
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a well-known scam. We are not talking about something that is allegedly a scam.. Undecided

It looks like Lauda is quite confident that it's a scam..
Gotta admit that Lauda has some balls..
It's promising mathematically impossible returns.Therefore, it can objectively be nothing other than a scam. People can discuss semantics and their prior behavior all they want (e.g. individual cases of scamming users, of which there are quite many - for reference see all their negatives and the 3 flags that they have), but this is a fact. It's math, not religion. I'm actually quite surprised by the lack of outrage by certain members, but it just proves that this shift to the more decentralized trust system has some side effects. At the very least it is as political as it ever was, if not more.

Can someone please compile a list of all users wearing any Yobit signatures? Thanks.
I'm on it: I'll make a list of all users who have posted in the past 7 days, and have "yobit" in their profile. Give me a few hours, scraping 8290 profiles now.
Thank you!
legendary
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If you are sincere, you will drop yahoo from DT1. He is yobit's campaign manager and Dt1. If you are going to give negative feedback, give it to him first.
My messages are being deleted because I swear, I wrote this without swearing, let's see if it will be deleted again?
legendary
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There is a difference between somebody deliberately promoting something they believe to be a scam and somebody who promotes the same thing but does not believe it is a scam.

I'm not convinced that Vispillo thinks he is advertising a "scam".. I think he thinks he is advertising a somewhat useful exchange that also happens to have some very stupid "investments" and gimmicks associated with it..
I don't think he is maliciously trying to get people scammed..


Like I mentioned to you a while ago, YOU are the expert scambuster here.. Is it a "scam" or not?
All tags or no tags IMO..

I don't know if it's a "scam".. I know I don't like them because Yobit is a spam financier..
It's just as scammy to me as it was years ago and yet here they still are..

If ya'll pro scambusters think they are a scam then GOOD..
Get TF rid of them to where they won't come back already, and stop their spaming and all this drama over them..

a well-known scam. We are not talking about something that is allegedly a scam.. Undecided

It looks like Lauda is quite confident that it's a scam..
Gotta admit that Lauda has some balls..
legendary
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Is it a "scam" or just a predatory "high risk" investment offering? Where is the line?
Is X10 scam "or just predatory high risk investment offering"?

What would most users consider as being the difference between the two of them? I see myself applying the two sides of the same coin analogy.

It's a good question.. That's why I asked..

Maybe Yobit will prove itself useful and help us find out..
What is the difference between Yobit and the last cases of campaigns advertising scams getting every advertiser red-tagged if they don't stop?
Yobit must be pretty borderline if it is so shady but this has not happened.. It is even allowed back after a spam ban.. Why?

If it's a scam enough to tag Vispillo over it then it is surely scam enough to tag all of the participants until removal no?

Starting with Vispillo, picking on Vispillo, and using it as a reason to tag just Vispillo, is a little fucked up if you won't even tag shitposters for advertising the same "scam"..


Not everyone sees situations the same way..
Obviously their are plenty of users in favot of Yobit being allowed to advertise here despite all these detractors.. Or it would be tagged up and run out of here by now, as usual..

Why don't you take it up with Yahoo?
There you have a highly trusted user in favor of it being allowed to advertise here, and if it wasn't for him, it would be banned and gone anyway..


I agree that not everybody will see everything in the same way. We all are entitled to our opinions and rightfully so.

I started this thread with the purpose of asking whether Merit Source or DT users should promote a known scam and explained "the banner he promotes could be from LLC1 or LTD2 or Company3, it would make no difference but it just so happens to be a Yobit banner"

I also explained a blanket ban just for displaying a banner should not warrant a tag unless exceptional circumstances and in my opinion when a user states he is promoting a scam and furthermore adds victims are blamed because they got scammed then yes that user deserves a tag in my opinion.

~snip~

Whether promoting a Yobit banner or any other banner it should not warrant a tag unless there are exceptional circumstances. I have not come across any exceptional circumstances that fit that description yet except for user Vispilio because he has openly stated he is promting a banner in full knowledge it is a scam and that is unacceptable. The banner he promotes could be from LLC1 or LTD2 or Company3, it would make no difference but it just so happens to be a Yobit banner.



Isn't Yahoo DT member and Yobit campaign manager also?
People are talking bad about everyone else except about Yahoo, that is something like taboo Smiley

I don't like yobit, but I think opening so many topics about it you give it free advertisement.
I am not sure how it all worked out but think there was some form of consensus that led to yahoo62278 being asked or volunteering to manage the Yobit campaign because of previous issues with either non-payment to participants or thread flooding (or maybe both). It has been quoted in several places he managed to clean up a lot the forum by banning several spammers and low-level trash posters which many users appreciated. I think only yahoo62278 can elaborate further or to correct me.

Having said that, this thread was not created about any user showing Yobit or any other banners. I have no interest in which user displays which banner or participates in which campaign unless when the user states he knows he is promoting a scam.

In the case of Vispilio, he is DT yet he is participating in a campaign promoting a project that he has himself labelled a scam. Furthermore he believes victims who fall prey to the scam are effectively to blame for getting scammed and on top of that he has no issues displaying the Yobit banner.

Why is this different from the other many, many users displaying Yobit banners and getting paid for it? As mentioned in the OP:

In simple terms, if a user promotes a scam but does not believe or accept it is a scam, then it is up to the community to present evidence to show them they are wrong.

If however a user openly states he knows he is promoting a scam and then fault blames victims for getting scammed then that clearly shows the user is unsuitable for any responsible role.

If you know of any other users that say they know the banner they are promoting is a scam then please let me know so I can open a thread highlighting them or kindly open a thread yourself and others will post their views there.



If it's a scam enough to tag Vispillo over it then it is surely scam enough to tag all of the participants until removal no?

The answer to the question is "no". I made it clear several times and the reason is above and I am highlighting it again below:


If however a user openly states he knows he is promoting a scam and then fault blames victims for getting scammed then that clearly shows the user is unsuitable for any responsible role.

If you know of any other users that say they know the banner they are promoting is a scam then please let me know so I can open a thread highlighting them or kindly open a thread yourself and others will post their views there.

There is a difference between somebody deliberately promoting something they believe to be a scam and somebody who promotes the same thing but does not believe it is a scam.
legendary
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Can someone please compile a list of all users wearing any Yobit signatures? Thanks.
I'm on it: I'll make a list of all users who have posted in the past 7 days, and have "yobit" in their profile. Give me a few hours, scraping 8290 profiles now.
copper member
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Note the timestamps.  The desperate little boy who impugns the “manhood” of others lacks even the self-control to keep me on ignore.

https://web.archive.org/web/20200123074933/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5219981.0#msg53678428
~~~ sockpuppet with extreme butthurt joining the crusade against intellect and virtue on this forum

[...]

Ignored,

https://web.archive.org/web/20200123080645/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5219538.60#msg53679268
~~~ unemployed virgin imbecile begging for attention as per usual

Don't pollute threads with your off-topic inferiority complex nullius,

I know you get sexual pleasure from being intellectually overwhelmed, it's the closest substitute you can find for the real orgasms you must be desperately craving  Smiley,

but we have much better things to do, so you'll have to go beg someone else. Bye.

And Vispilio, please keep your sick homoerotic fantasies to yourself.

it might make a man out of you yet

Also, don’t dish out extremely personal attacks if you can’t take them.  You insulted another man’s honour before his ancestors while threatening him, you insulted another man’s manhood, you insulted the intelligence of one of the forum’s high-intelligence moonstars—and you do all that, to “sell your soul” for a few scam Yodollars!  Whereas now, I will hold up a mirror to show what you most fear, your true face.  Just look above, at what you are revealing about yourself—the shame you reveal in public!  Disgusting.

Your Middle Eastern ancestors would spit on your face if they knew you would stoop to dishonorable lies


I would teach you a lesson that your ancestors would be proud of

I will teach you such a lesson.  And I will do it with the power of words.
legendary
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Can someone please compile a list of all users wearing any Yobit signatures? Thanks.

I'd be more in favor of tagging all Yobit signatures than tagging just you..
This shouldn't happen at all. All these allegedly trustworthy members should voluntarily stop advertising a well-known scam. We are not talking about something that is allegedly a scam.. Undecided

Unbelievable and frankly a very sad display for this forum.
legendary
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DarkStar said that there would likely be a few spots open next week. And then you were active only two days after this announcement, right?

This user recently woke up from a long period of inactivity.

Welcome ChipMixer GANGS

We missed you, welcome.
legendary
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~~~ unemployed virgin imbecile begging for attention as per usual

Don't pollute threads with your off-topic inferiority complex nullius,

I know you get sexual pleasure from being intellectually overwhelmed, it's the closest substitute you can find for the real orgasms you must be desperately craving  Smiley,

but we have much better things to do, so you'll have to go beg someone else. Bye.
copper member
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Behold!  An extreme “I didn’t get what I wanted!” tantrum which is slightly more interesting than a mundane sigspammer whine, because it emits from a current DT1 member (!) who, let me get this straight, is a merit source (!!) with high status on a local forum?

the main underlying reason they are picking on me is because I was a top candidate for Chipmixer, and the DT Chipmixer mafia wants only their own people or alt accounts to benefit from that lucrative bounty...

No one in his right mind can agree with any of the insane babble produced on this thread, yet you have long standing DT members frothing over their mouths in league with NPC trolls going so far as calling me "beyond diabolical", etc.  Grin

[—further rambling snipped—]

No, you paranoid doofus, the reason why people are “picking on you” is that you are a pretentious little twit who defends the Yobit scam, insults the intelligence of people who are smarter than you, makes empty violent threats, insults others’ manhood and honour whereas you have neither, and—worst of all, in my opinion—covers for it all with childish misquotes of Nietzsche.

Unlike liberals, I do not so lightly make accusations of mental defect.  An adequate working definition of paranoia is the combination of:

  • Delusions of grandeur:  Falsely believing yourself to be fantastically much greater than you actually are in reality.  (Protip:  Those who are actually grand needn’t desperately posture with hollow pretenses as you do.)
  • Delusions of persecution:  Constructing in your mind some unrealistic scenario in which everybody is out to get you—and naturally, “they” are all out to get you because you are so great!  (I heard that the “DT Chipmixer mafia” is only a front for NSA reptilians on this forum; and you, the great Vispilio, have been targeted by them due to their discovery of your secret stolen birthright as King of the World.)

If you are actually convinced that a “DT Chipmixer mafia” is “picking on you” with “alt accounts” and “NPC trolls” to prevent the great Vispilio from attaining a coveted Chipmixer slot, then you are crazy; and your ideations about your perceived persecutors “frothing over their mouths” with “insane babble” is merely a projection of your own psychosis.

Or, I have an alternative hypothesis:  You are not only a liar, but a dumb one; thus alas!  The “Chipmixer mafia” theory is the best story that you can devise.  So, which is it?  Are you delusional, or are you so pitiful a wretch that you can’t even weave a plausible tall tale?  Not that I think those options are mutually exclusive!

It's really a very petty circus and a disgrace to a once great forum who now sees some of its seemingly most trusted members sell their souls for a few dollars...

Take it from the only person on this forum who is currently wearing an unpaid Chipmixer ad on principle, as a loose-cannon publicity stunt to promote privacy.  (My signature is not approved by DarkStar_ or ChipMixer; though I somehow doubt they disapprove, either.)  —One who, moreover, has casually told several campaign managers that I am moderately uninterested in ever having a paid ad of any kind.

It is quite revealing that in your small mind, you are only capable of imagining that everyone is only here for a “lucrative bounty”.
legendary
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I doubt it has anything to do with ChipMixer..
Probably more to do with them being pissed off at you over woolowowooo...


It's not all just babbling..
I would be wearing that Yobit signature if it was something that I could feel good supporting, but it is not..

I bet I have a Yobit account older than anyone's in this thread.. I have been around it for its entire existence, and knew it was shit when I first laid eyes on it..

First they added the absolute shittiest of all shitcoins.. The exact correct thing to do to make all of cryptocurrency look like shit.. Even Cryptsy didn't add the likes of those complete shitcoins..
Newbies by the tens of thousands have probably gone there and lost all their money due to bad investment advice and being stupid..

The first exchange manipulated markets I have ever seen with their ROM.. I could have got that the first day, and I didn't touch it, and I can't believe how much stupid bought into that..

Then, they paid to SPAM this forum the worst I have ever seen from a single campaign, with a complete disregard for this place and the users here..
Absolute disrespect IMO and that is a greater sin to me than their stupid coin schemes..

You aren't going to catch me wearing a signature for Yobit no way..
Their are a lot of damn good reasons to dislike Yobit..

I'd be wearing some gambling signature long before I wear some Yobit signature, and I don't, because I don't feel good about promoting casino gambling either..

I'd be more in favor of tagging all Yobit signatures than tagging just you..

I like many points of your idealisms but you Turks have been offbase on a lot of shit..
I don't think being cocky and offensive is the way to go here either..
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