Topic: Should DT and Merit Source Members Be Promoting A Known Scam? - page 6. (Read 2623 times)

Yobit is a cancer, not just to the forum, but for crypto in general.  But the two users identified by JollyGood in the opening post wore the signature quoted below, which is obviously a pump-and-dump scheme being used by Yobit to scam their clients.  Promoting another forum or a shady exchange is one thing, promoting an obvious scam is another.

I guess my point is that I think no one should be promoting YoBit. I am not sure but I think yahoo is on DT.

I don’t think it is unreasonable to hold merit sources and DT members to a higher standard, so it would be even more important they not promote YoBit. But just because someone is not on DT or not a merit source doesn’t mean I think it should be okay for them to promote a scam.

I am sorry to highlight it but this thread is not about Yahoo62278 or his management of Yobit campaigns.

This thread is specifically about the manner in which a DT member has claimed he knowingly is promoting a scam and has added at least one merit abuser and fake trust user to his trust list.

I kindly request all to post on topic please. Thank you.

Yobit as a whole is cancer, but the user in question isnt spamming or fucking the forum.

Suggesting Yahoo not do the campaign is crazy dude, he is a great manager and is needed if we want to stop all the shitposting pajeets causing us all eyecancer. The only other option is to ban all yobit sigs IMO

Yahoo62278 has been a tremendous help to the forum for his participation.  Short of a permanent ban against the Yobit campaigns (no objections here) Yobit will continue find a way to spam the forum.  So far theymos has been unwilling to ban the company from advertising on the forum.  Unless or until that happens, we don't have any better option than hoping yahoo62278 continues in his current roll.

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For someone who wants to be a merit source and on Default Trust, don't you think that you should demonstrate better judgement, follow the rules, and lead by example?

It's up to DT1 to clean DT. In wolwoo's case, that works just fine: wolwoo (Trust: +2 / =1 / -3) (DT1 (-8) 413 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP).

Merit sources are up to theymos, and as far as I know his application has not been accepted. I can't really judge his Merit sending judgement because I can't read most of the posts, but if his judgement on Trust is a indicator for this, it's not good.

Since scams aren't moderated, I don't think promoting a scam is necessarily a reason to reject a Merit source application. Clear judgement is what's needed though, and anger tantrums aren't a good sign.

Right on cue.... 

I think wolwoo should stop promoting YoBit so everyone can move on. As a side note, I think the same is true for Yahoo, including him managing (or whatever he is calling it)   

If this means the spam is bad for a few days from YoBit posters, then YoBit signatures will get banned again.

When it comes to Yobit, I have made my position/opinion clear in several places and would like to re-iterate it here before going further.

In my case, for the sole reason of promoting Yobit, before starting this thread I had given red trust to just one user: Yobit (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=406594)

I might have tagged other users for other reasons and stated them but never tagged a user just for showing Yobit banners. It just so happens that Yobit forms part of the conversation here some users mentioned and alluded to below promote it. Everybody has their own view on this issue and those similar to it but in my personal opinion if a user is promoting Yobit they should not deserve a tag on the basis of that alone.

Whether promoting a Yobit banner or any other banner it should not warrant a tag unless there are exceptional circumstances. I have not come across any exceptional circumstances that fit that description yet except for user Vispilio because he has openly stated he is promting a banner in full knowledge it is a scam and that is unacceptable. The banner he promotes could be from LLC1 or LTD2 or Company3, it would make no difference but it just so happens to be a Yobit banner.

It was only because of the sheer ferocity and aggression that Yobit was being defended by a some users I was not familiar towards end of December 2019/early January 2020 that I took a closer look at what was going on. It seemed that some of the members had been part of a merit abuse and fake trust circle which was designed to help them to DT1. Some had more evidence against them than others whereas some were able to semi-distance themselves.



wolwoo's merit source desire: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/wolwoos-merit-source-desire-5205906
Have you seen Yobit's new signature design?: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/have-you-seen-yobits-new-signature-design-5211902
Yobit campaign participants and supporters: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/yobit-campaign-participants-and-supporters-5212036
*Reference topic: Why are these members excluded on trust lists?: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53430210

*This one has special significance because Loyce clearly shows wolwoo being part of a trust circle BUT he is trusted by DT member: Vispilio

In posts from the links at no point did Vispilio make any positive intercession considering he has a special relationship with wolwoo and some others from their local language boards. The general flow of the posts linked above he seemed to egg-on subtly by default backing wolwoo in his aggression and profanities which in turn showed that this person is not suitable for any responsibility as far as this forum is concerned.

His personal insults towards myself or other members are not the issue here, though it sheds some light on his mentality but I want to ask the community if someone making the following statement is an appropriate person to be either Merit Source or DT and ask if you think he is behaving in a manner that is fit for either role. For me this statement from Vispilio raises concerns:


So according to Vispilio it is completely acceptable to promote a company that has some products and services that he himself accepts are a fraud/scam. The reason he cites is because the company also has some products which cannot be confirmed as scams therefore it is perfectly fine to promote it.

This raises a fundamental problem so if a user knows/accepts/states he is promoting a scam but defends either the scam itself or his promoting of it - or even more shamefully if a user implies investors are to blame if they get scammed and become victims because they should be responsible enough to walk away knowing various interest rates cannot be mathematically sustained (ie ponzi) - but will still display the banner promoting the scam, then that sort of thinking is clearly is at odds with the morals and values that any sensible user should have let alone DT or Merit Source member should have.



Furthermore the following are not examples of how anybody with DT really should be behaving, I think playing the "race" card and shouting "victim" is one of the lowest forms of behaviour that any user could stoop to but using that as an excuse for misdirection, diversion and deflection tactics when either Merit Source or DT ranked makes it even more ridiculous than it should be:




Here again Vispilio re-iterates that Yobit is a scam, he calls it a pyramid scheme yet he justifies promoting it by simply saying that users "knowingly chasing these kinds of things, looking to get in early and get out before the scam falls apart". This again is conduct not appropriate for a user with any responsibility attached to them.




Here Vispilio makes another absurd comment because there is no comparison between Chipmixer and Yobit. As far as I know, Chipmixer has no scam allegations against it but he himself calls Yobit a scam yet still promotes it:




I wish to re-iterate the tag for I left for Vispilio and the issues mentioned in this thread are based purely on the basis of the way Vispilio conducts himself and is not based on him being part of any local language group or anything else. There is no conspiracy against him or the group that he holds in high regard, some of which were dropped by DT members after accusations of merit abuse and fake trust circles came to light.


In simple terms, if a user promotes a scam but does not believe or accept it is a scam, then it is up to the community to present evidence to show them they are wrong.

If however a user openly states he knows he is promoting a scam and then fault blames victims for getting scammed then that clearly shows the user is unsuitable for any responsible role.


I ask the community, do you think it appropriate for any Merit Source or DT member to to be in a position of either trust or responsibility after reading the statements outlined?

A final comment from Vispilio with a countering view that I cannot see any considerable contributions made by Yobit to crypto space. I do however see a user that is willing to say and do anything to keep getting paid by Yobit to display their banner but probably would dump them in the blink of an eye and start promoting another banner.



So, should DT or Merit Source members be promoting a known scam? The answer has to be a resounding "no" especially when that member self-admits he is promoting a scam.

This is just one of several examples of how the trust system is not working as it should when users such as Vispilio make it on to DT or Merit Source.