Topic: Should DT and Merit Source Members Be Promoting A Known Scam? - page 4. (Read 2623 times)

It seems the community came to the general consensus that yobit is not too much of a scam for it to be advertised on the forum right?
I don't like that they were allowed to come back and advertise after being banned for it but the community allowed it..

"Oh well I guess CryptoTalk isn't really directly a scam though its parent Yobit facilitates extremely likely scams" -let them advertise
"Oh well I guess Yobit isn't directly a scam though it facilitates extremely likely scams" -let them advertise
"Oh noes!! X10 coin? That is almost definitely a scam so we can't advertise that!!  Better just go back to advertising only Yobit, who is a scam advertiser, but indirectly advertising scams is ok? Right guys?" -let them advertise

X10 coin is nothing new for Yobit.. They have been pushing similar "scams" for years since the ROM crap..

I wonder how many DT members are currently accepting payment from Yobit?

Is Yobit a scam or not?
Is advertising for Yobit advertising for a scam or not?
If it is, then why is it here advertising at all?

It's just too darn close to the edge for a clear consensus it seems..

Why can Vispillo be tagged for advertising a "scam" but all the other that do can not?
Because he posted that he thinks one of Yobit's products is a "scam" and therefore is knowingly advertising a "scam"?

So let me get this straight..
If I go find any posts from anyone currently being paid by Yobit, or has been paid by Yobit, who has previously stated that they think any of Yobit's products (past or present) are a "scam" prior to them accepting any form of payment for their advertisement, they should be red tagged?

But no red tags for anyone advertising Yobit as long as they have never themselves stated that they think any Yobit products are a "scam"?
What a situation in that it depends on the post history of all individual advertising users..

Their are probably plenty to be tagged on this basis.. How many even in DT I wonder?

How can this be made consistent one way or another?


Maybe if I go find a couple more examples of users advertising for yobit while having previously stated they think that any yobit product is/was a scam, then it can be decided to tag them all or tag none..
Sound fair?

That doesn't really answer the question. Ignore the second part as it's admittedly a bit loaded.

What injustices?

You and your sweet friends are the authority here.
Enjoy.

You are on to something suchmoon but there is an obvious contradiction in what Vispilio writes because in one place he accuses/alludes to Chipmixer being nothing more than a scam (which is what Yobit is) and on the other hand he asks to join the Chipmixer campaign:






It is clear that those duplicitous traits are not enough to ask whether he deserves to be DT ranked or not but what cannot be ignored is his promoting of a banner he himself calls a scam. No user, especially a DT ranked should be able to do that.

What injustices are those? Do they correlate at all with Vispilio's inability to grasp the difference between a diary and a trust system?

Forbidden has nothing to do with this topic.

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Although I do not like Vispilio, the injustices all of you made to him clearly prove that you are not objective.

These guys are classing up the Chipmixer campaign in a hurry:

I am not trying to mislead, the above statement of your was what you used against me to call me a lier. Me clearing this up just triggered you to bring up my accusation which was merely solved by my apology and willingness to not repeat it in there respective thread.

I thought that it really contradicts what you said earlier hence enlighted it. I don't have any hidden motives against you nor you should deem too. My feedback on your trust wall stands about you fighting the scams from the bottom of your heart but you are really pushing users into your grudge against YoBit overall. Did you ever thought of complaining to theymos about it once ? IIRC he banned the campaign last time when it was creating spam, this time there are clear evidences of listing scam tokens. I think he would consider. Just an advice.

You are not mistaken, you are deliberately trying to mislead just as you did by perpetuating a lie in the other thread (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53658209) and now here too. Your motives for doing so are open to interpretation:




Well, you changed your tune quick but let us not call that another lie from you


You may have locked your thread after users were discussing whether adding DT negative trust for you was appropriate or not, but it will still be discussed at some point. Maybe your post here was to pre-empt my input in it but it will not: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53659644


So going back to your post here, if you think it is important for you to consider me as a liar or not and you want to open a thread to discuss it and ask opinions from other users, please feel free to create one but this thread is about whether it is right for a DT ranked user to promote what he himself has called a scam so kindly stay on topic please.

Red trust on @Vispilio by @JollyGood.


Recent statement by @JollyGood.


Source: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5211902.180

I don't know if lier word suits here better or with me.

As you highlighted, retaliatory feedback shows he is not suitable for DT but by his own admission he said he knew he was promoting a scam therefore how can anybody provide any justification for Vispilio to be DT rank when he is the antithesis of what a DT member should be?




Well, it seems threatening DireWolfM14 with physical violence is another reason to continue holding Vispilio the low regard that he deserves after knowingly promoting a project that he himself calls a scam. Shocking.



I am not sure how it all worked out but think there was some form of consensus that led to yahoo62278 being asked or volunteering to manage the Yobit campaign because of previous issues with either non-payment to participants or thread flooding (or maybe both). It has been quoted in several places he managed to clean up a lot the forum by banning several spammers and low-level trash posters which many users appreciated. I think only yahoo62278 can elaborate further or to correct me.

Having said that, this thread was not created about any user showing Yobit or any other banners. I have no interest in which user displays which banner or participates in which campaign unless when the user states he knows he is promoting a scam.

In the case of Vispilio, he is DT yet he is participating in a campaign promoting a project that he has himself labelled a scam. Furthermore he believes victims who fall prey to the scam are effectively to blame for getting scammed and on top of that he has no issues displaying the Yobit banner.

Why is this different from the other many, many users displaying Yobit banners and getting paid for it? As mentioned in the OP:

In simple terms, if a user promotes a scam but does not believe or accept it is a scam, then it is up to the community to present evidence to show them they are wrong.

If however a user openly states he knows he is promoting a scam and then fault blames victims for getting scammed then that clearly shows the user is unsuitable for any responsible role.

If you know of any other users that say they know the banner they are promoting is a scam then please let me know so I can open a thread highlighting them or kindly open a thread yourself and others will post their views there.



Thank you IconFirm. I agree the admins should really take note of how a DT member is promoting a project he himself calls a scam, then plays the race card when it suits him. This is beyond diabolical for a DT rank to behave in such a nonsensical unbefitting manner.

What? That is not what I said, it is taken out of context and it is complete nonsense.


Another proof that you don't read anything, you are just posting crap!


It is retaliation feedback!

Anyway, this user got my attention when they start defending plagiarist scam account, some banned accounts, some users who gamed DT system, continued to defend proven scam advertiser and merited lie, everything is documented here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53365479. Also, deflection and ad hominem attacks are very usual behavior of this account. (If they remove any post, just go to one of archive sites and search archived threads).

It really does not surprise me to see them shilling hard.

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Can someone translate this post to english:

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Lol!  Well, one reassuring thing is that you can have a sense of humor about it.  I'll chalk that up as one observable instance where you provide concrete, indisputable evidence that you're not a complete sociopath.

Whoever on the forum wearing paid signature this is for financial gain (including me). And that's the bitter truth even though we accept or not. But what about a project that you are agree with that they are scammer and on the other hand you wearing signature? If you are wearing signature then you should not agree that they are scammer, this is the morality. You are right that we don't know any project they will skip or not, but if they skip or scam people still will you wear signature? I think no.

Many user wearing Yobit signature but doesn't mean they should redundancy with it. Even I had not noticed @wolwoo & @Vispilio before they made Yobit drama. There is more participants, no one got tag so why they were made drama? In as result they removed from DT1 and got tag as well. Seems they are leaving retaliatory feedback (although its not worth anymore) but this is not proper use of trust. We should not forget that we are all just forum users, we are not something extra powerful. So we should match ourself with the community.

Your reference link points to this thread, which shows JollyGood explaining their justification for red-trusting you. "Malicious intent" seems to be an excuse for your itch to retaliate.


That's news to me and probably to theymos.

Now here's what you could do for the good of the forum: stop using red trust as your personal blog about people you disagree with.

yahoo  was managing Yobit.net signature campaign and got a lot o merits for that. Now if you go through the forum everyone is calling yobit scam (It is a scam indeed ) All that scam exchange supporters have being red tagged and some of them banned. yahoo62278 might be a great bounty manager but was no one sad anything bad about that campaign. So what is going on on this forum? I am not saying anything bad about yahoo but i need some explanation.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/yobitnet-signature-campaign-5188047

I agree but when someone promotes it proclaims ignorance it is completely different to someone who openly states it is a scam but continues to promote and blames the victims for falling for the scam and not being smart enough to walk away.

When a DT says it no more proof should be needed that the person is completely irresponsible and unsuited to DT rank.



Clutching at straws again. You play the race card as and when it suits your agenda, mostly because you are unable to debate in a civil manner and want to create diversion tactics to deflect away from whatever the topic of discussion was...

Jollygood, everyone in this forum which has sr and upper ranks knows what means %10 guarantee profit, even they didnt write this sentence on forum. There is a lot of members on Yobit campaign and all of them knows Yobit is a very high risk* exchange.

We have two groups for yobit signature campaign.

promoting yobit signature - knowing what means %10 profit and warning users about it.

or

promoting yobit signature - knowing what means %10 profit and not writing anything about it.

There is some other DT members at yobit campaign which choose second choice. Which one is better ? Negative trusting to first group choosers not seems fair. I think it's better than first one.

On the other hand forum did not ban to promoting yobit signature so every one can promote. 

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marlborozo you are promoting X campaign for your own financial gain and i'm promoting Y campaign for my gain. how can we got sure about a project which is not created by ourself ? mt.gox was the most trustfull exchange at 2010-2011 and then they scammed all. May be X or Y campaigns are more proffessional scammers than Yobit, we cant know it anyway before they walk away. Campaign X or Y or Z, it doesnt matters we cant know the reality. we should not promote any campaign if we are speaking about real honesty.

i hope forum cancell all signatures and bounties. we'll have less dramas. (no money, no drama, no bounty scammers, no more empty messages for signatures)

*In my opinion yobit is a big scam and users should walk away from it.

In principle, it is irrefutable. There is a difference between theory and practice. The full disclosure of malicious intent is sufficient to warrant a negative feedback.

When you think about it, everything is an opinion when it comes to moral judgement.

"There are no moral phenomena, only a moral interpretation of phenomena" (one of the strongest quotes from Beyond Good and Evil)

Based on past observations, I don't expect a petty spiteful manipulator like you to understand the intricacies of ontology, but I hope you can at least use your energies to improve your intellectual faculties a bit for the well being of this forum, as theymos seems to so far have placed an inexplicably high amount of trust in you...