Its pity, cause imo this thread is nothing more as an attempt for merit fishing and attention seeking....
Just try to create something thats about BTC or helpful for this place.
Topic: Should merit be disabled on Bitcoin Wall Observer? - page 3. (Read 1407 times)
Imagine if we just stopped looking at others and giving a shit about how or why they are doing things that don't affect anyone else. It's merit and jokes, and dildos galore let's just calm down and move on. Don't like it take your ball start another. I rarely venture there and don't think I've ever posted, but do pop in from time to time for a laugh.
Is merit crazily distorted on that thread? Most certainly. Is it doing any harm? Nope.
A no mark scumbag with evil intentions to rank up wouldn't get anywhere. I doubt it would make any difference to WO poster behaviour if it was gone. It was handed to them and they ran with it. Many were already the most senior rank before the system arrived.
I've no idea what everyone's stats are about handing them out but hopefully some use that excess to splurge on helping lowlier members outside the thread to rank up.
A no mark scumbag with evil intentions to rank up wouldn't get anywhere. I doubt it would make any difference to WO poster behaviour if it was gone. It was handed to them and they ran with it. Many were already the most senior rank before the system arrived.
I've no idea what everyone's stats are about handing them out but hopefully some use that excess to splurge on helping lowlier members outside the thread to rank up.
It is your earned merit, categorised by thread IDs and the thread ID of Wall Observer is 178336. Data is last Friday merit data dump.
In sum:
In percent
Summary stats for WO:
- In both sum or frequency stats: you earned most of your merit in WO.
In sum:
Code:
+------------------------+
| topic emerit_topic |
|------------------------|
1. | 4745089 15 |
2. | 4758313 15 |
3. | 178336 12 |
4. | 5222343 11 |
5. | 5193860 6 |
|------------------------|
6. | 5229611 3 |
7. | 5159576 3 |
8. | 5231762 2 |
9. | 5226139 2 |
10. | 5191989 2 |
|------------------------|
11. | 5267500 2 |
12. | 5255102 1 |
13. | 5231766 1 |
14. | 4707054 1 |
15. | 5037973 1 |
|------------------------|
16. | 5245061 1 |
+------------------------+
| topic emerit_topic |
|------------------------|
1. | 4745089 15 |
2. | 4758313 15 |
3. | 178336 12 |
4. | 5222343 11 |
5. | 5193860 6 |
|------------------------|
6. | 5229611 3 |
7. | 5159576 3 |
8. | 5231762 2 |
9. | 5226139 2 |
10. | 5191989 2 |
|------------------------|
11. | 5267500 2 |
12. | 5255102 1 |
13. | 5231766 1 |
14. | 4707054 1 |
15. | 5037973 1 |
|------------------------|
16. | 5245061 1 |
+------------------------+
In percent
Code:
topic | Freq. Percent Cum.
------------+-----------------------------------
178336 | 10 19.23 19.23
4707054 | 1 1.92 21.15
4745089 | 7 13.46 34.62
4758313 | 9 17.31 51.92
5037973 | 1 1.92 53.85
5159576 | 2 3.85 57.69
5191989 | 1 1.92 59.62
5193860 | 5 9.62 69.23
5222343 | 7 13.46 82.69
5226139 | 2 3.85 86.54
5229611 | 1 1.92 88.46
5231762 | 1 1.92 90.38
5231766 | 1 1.92 92.31
5245061 | 1 1.92 94.23
5255102 | 1 1.92 96.15
5267500 | 2 3.85 100.00
------------+-----------------------------------
Total | 52 100.00
------------+-----------------------------------
178336 | 10 19.23 19.23
4707054 | 1 1.92 21.15
4745089 | 7 13.46 34.62
4758313 | 9 17.31 51.92
5037973 | 1 1.92 53.85
5159576 | 2 3.85 57.69
5191989 | 1 1.92 59.62
5193860 | 5 9.62 69.23
5222343 | 7 13.46 82.69
5226139 | 2 3.85 86.54
5229611 | 1 1.92 88.46
5231762 | 1 1.92 90.38
5231766 | 1 1.92 92.31
5245061 | 1 1.92 94.23
5255102 | 1 1.92 96.15
5267500 | 2 3.85 100.00
------------+-----------------------------------
Total | 52 100.00
Summary stats for WO:
- emerit_topic: Sum of earned merits in each topic
- cmerit_topic: Frequency (count) of merit transactions in each topic
- pemerit_topic: Percent of sum of earned merits in each topic / total earned merits
- temerit: Sum of earned merits till last Friday data dump
Code:
+-----------------------------------------------------------------+
| topic emerit_topic temerit pemerit_topic cmerit_topic |
|-----------------------------------------------------------------|
1. | 178336 53976 737258 7.4 38972 |
2. | 5193860 22280 737258 3 6378 |
3. | 1006631 9402 737258 1.2 6313 |
4. | 2818350 3483 737258 .4 1609 |
5. | 313900 3303 737258 .4 2016 |
|-----------------------------------------------------------------|
6. | 26136 3190 737258 .4 2561 |
7. | 5105163 1887 737258 .2 1480 |
8. | 2360806 1821 737258 .2 1658 |
9. | 5 1670 737258 .2 209 |
10. | 2827596 1622 737258 .2 188 |
|-----------------------------------------------------------------|
11. | 2840438 1609 737258 .2 1004 |
12. | 1458034 1582 737258 .2 1006 |
13. | 5095156 1398 737258 .2 702 |
14. | 5156376 1375 737258 .2 352 |
15. | 2818398 1242 737258 .2 782 |
|-----------------------------------------------------------------|
16. | 2823701 1097 737258 .2 705 |
17. | 753252 990 737258 .2 602 |
18. | 4871955 967 737258 .2 498 |
19. | 2683530 932 737258 .2 316 |
20. | 1976285 883 737258 .2 556 |
|-----------------------------------------------------------------|
21. | 5044331 856 737258 .2 185 |
22. | 4415262 834 737258 .2 662 |
23. | 5053833 830 737258 .2 322 |
24. | 750446 787 737258 .2 477 |
25. | 1608859 784 737258 .2 348 |
|-----------------------------------------------------------------|
26. | 569449 779 737258 .2 399 |
27. | 5157696 772 737258 .2 226 |
28. | 1935179 761 737258 .2 568 |
29. | 1883902 759 737258 .2 339 |
30. | 5149062 737 737258 0 451 |
|-----------------------------------------------------------------|
31. | 1336682 735 737258 0 418 |
32. | 2820637 733 737258 0 326 |
33. | 155054 731 737258 0 113 |
34. | 2874360 728 737258 0 397 |
35. | 317658 705 737258 0 154 |
|-----------------------------------------------------------------|
36. | 570886 691 737258 0 417 |
37. | 583449 682 737258 0 309 |
38. | 3015517 645 737258 0 91 |
39. | 2818404 642 737258 0 268 |
40. | 2544574 632 737258 0 403 |
|-----------------------------------------------------------------|
41. | 4742257 632 737258 0 210 |
42. | 628413 619 737258 0 488 |
43. | 615953 616 737258 0 329 |
44. | 421615 613 737258 0 234 |
45. | 4657305 595 737258 0 406 |
|-----------------------------------------------------------------|
46. | 2897545 575 737258 0 160 |
47. | 0 571 737258 0 354 |
48. | 5236380 569 737258 0 113 |
49. | 375643 561 737258 0 101 |
50. | 2040221 542 737258 0 297 |
+-----------------------------------------------------------------+
| topic emerit_topic temerit pemerit_topic cmerit_topic |
|-----------------------------------------------------------------|
1. | 178336 53976 737258 7.4 38972 |
2. | 5193860 22280 737258 3 6378 |
3. | 1006631 9402 737258 1.2 6313 |
4. | 2818350 3483 737258 .4 1609 |
5. | 313900 3303 737258 .4 2016 |
|-----------------------------------------------------------------|
6. | 26136 3190 737258 .4 2561 |
7. | 5105163 1887 737258 .2 1480 |
8. | 2360806 1821 737258 .2 1658 |
9. | 5 1670 737258 .2 209 |
10. | 2827596 1622 737258 .2 188 |
|-----------------------------------------------------------------|
11. | 2840438 1609 737258 .2 1004 |
12. | 1458034 1582 737258 .2 1006 |
13. | 5095156 1398 737258 .2 702 |
14. | 5156376 1375 737258 .2 352 |
15. | 2818398 1242 737258 .2 782 |
|-----------------------------------------------------------------|
16. | 2823701 1097 737258 .2 705 |
17. | 753252 990 737258 .2 602 |
18. | 4871955 967 737258 .2 498 |
19. | 2683530 932 737258 .2 316 |
20. | 1976285 883 737258 .2 556 |
|-----------------------------------------------------------------|
21. | 5044331 856 737258 .2 185 |
22. | 4415262 834 737258 .2 662 |
23. | 5053833 830 737258 .2 322 |
24. | 750446 787 737258 .2 477 |
25. | 1608859 784 737258 .2 348 |
|-----------------------------------------------------------------|
26. | 569449 779 737258 .2 399 |
27. | 5157696 772 737258 .2 226 |
28. | 1935179 761 737258 .2 568 |
29. | 1883902 759 737258 .2 339 |
30. | 5149062 737 737258 0 451 |
|-----------------------------------------------------------------|
31. | 1336682 735 737258 0 418 |
32. | 2820637 733 737258 0 326 |
33. | 155054 731 737258 0 113 |
34. | 2874360 728 737258 0 397 |
35. | 317658 705 737258 0 154 |
|-----------------------------------------------------------------|
36. | 570886 691 737258 0 417 |
37. | 583449 682 737258 0 309 |
38. | 3015517 645 737258 0 91 |
39. | 2818404 642 737258 0 268 |
40. | 2544574 632 737258 0 403 |
|-----------------------------------------------------------------|
41. | 4742257 632 737258 0 210 |
42. | 628413 619 737258 0 488 |
43. | 615953 616 737258 0 329 |
44. | 421615 613 737258 0 234 |
45. | 4657305 595 737258 0 406 |
|-----------------------------------------------------------------|
46. | 2897545 575 737258 0 160 |
47. | 0 571 737258 0 354 |
48. | 5236380 569 737258 0 113 |
49. | 375643 561 737258 0 101 |
50. | 2040221 542 737258 0 297 |
+-----------------------------------------------------------------+
*It isn't hard to get in the WO-thread, there are plenty of bearish people in there (or with slow growth, new bottom or whatever perspective), when they post and they don't troll then other engage with serious talk and answer... Only a moron would say that this isn't the case...
There is a very big different in the WO for those who enter with trolling intentions and breaking down BTC and disrespect the environment, to those who have an opinion and talking about a lower bottom or a slow growth etc like majormax for example ---> he always talks slow and not parabolic but on a normal way and not trolling (merited him a lot even when I didn't agree, but I he's just reasoning as all of us).
*True there are many OG posters there those who are core BTC'ers and whom are active from the very start of BTC-talk, please show some respect for the piece of BTC-history they have build and just see that this thread is a piece of BTC-history as well.
*There are many different posters in the WO and probably more whom doesn't post at the WO, but read it daily to gain knowledge around what is happening in BTC-land, and probably can have a good laugh with some A+++ jokes and good GIF usage etc
*Just a few examples myself, VB1001, fillippone, JSRAW, ivomm, exstasie, toxic2040 and many more are all people started on BTC-talk as a newbie, started at the WO as a newbie but all have gained much more respect and been way more rewarded as for example you are ...
We all made useful threads in English sections as in our own sections and we have all helped out new members, all contributed in our own way.
*Contribute, don't try to break some community and community spirit where we all build upon as people with similar interest BTC
*Also I know a lot of very quality posters who I have helped to rank up a bit... but never trolling or non contributing members. I write this cause your first lines in the OP are posting to a few members who are granted legendary recently... Those are more than deserved legendary members, sometimes a small merit boost is very appropriate as long as it is send for good reasons, those members are more as well deserved and they all resent there gained merit to quality members as well.
*The OP of the WO is very known and doesn't need a closer look from a bitter person who can't handle it that some others members are receiving some merit... when you're jealous at fellow people on the same boat, then better don't be on it please.... it only ruin the good healthy spirit for others.
The whole forum or relevant people that are familiar with the WO-thread already knows that its more as the OP... Its a seed that has been planted in the forum, where everyone can write and talk BTC among others... As long if its a bit respectful and a bit about BTC then there is a lot to discus, serious matters and as well with some kind of humor and a bit of hang out ....
I can't read your whole OP cause I know the rest will all be the same and drama for some send merits....
Please don't be that guy, join the BTC-community and respect its history and the people involved in it and those that have build on it, its the soul of the whole thing.
There is a very big different in the WO for those who enter with trolling intentions and breaking down BTC and disrespect the environment, to those who have an opinion and talking about a lower bottom or a slow growth etc like majormax for example ---> he always talks slow and not parabolic but on a normal way and not trolling (merited him a lot even when I didn't agree, but I he's just reasoning as all of us).
*True there are many OG posters there those who are core BTC'ers and whom are active from the very start of BTC-talk, please show some respect for the piece of BTC-history they have build and just see that this thread is a piece of BTC-history as well.
*There are many different posters in the WO and probably more whom doesn't post at the WO, but read it daily to gain knowledge around what is happening in BTC-land, and probably can have a good laugh with some A+++ jokes and good GIF usage etc
*Just a few examples myself, VB1001, fillippone, JSRAW, ivomm, exstasie, toxic2040 and many more are all people started on BTC-talk as a newbie, started at the WO as a newbie but all have gained much more respect and been way more rewarded as for example you are ...
We all made useful threads in English sections as in our own sections and we have all helped out new members, all contributed in our own way.
*Contribute, don't try to break some community and community spirit where we all build upon as people with similar interest BTC
*Also I know a lot of very quality posters who I have helped to rank up a bit... but never trolling or non contributing members. I write this cause your first lines in the OP are posting to a few members who are granted legendary recently... Those are more than deserved legendary members, sometimes a small merit boost is very appropriate as long as it is send for good reasons, those members are more as well deserved and they all resent there gained merit to quality members as well.
*The OP of the WO is very known and doesn't need a closer look from a bitter person who can't handle it that some others members are receiving some merit... when you're jealous at fellow people on the same boat, then better don't be on it please.... it only ruin the good healthy spirit for others.
The whole forum or relevant people that are familiar with the WO-thread already knows that its more as the OP... Its a seed that has been planted in the forum, where everyone can write and talk BTC among others... As long if its a bit respectful and a bit about BTC then there is a lot to discus, serious matters and as well with some kind of humor and a bit of hang out ....
I can't read your whole OP cause I know the rest will all be the same and drama for some send merits....
Please don't be that guy, join the BTC-community and respect its history and the people involved in it and those that have build on it, its the soul of the whole thing.
First, I have once raised an issue like this acoupke of months ago before I later understand that there are a lot of real bitcoin hodlers and traders who are not after merit and campaign in the WO but there are some which seize the thread the rank up either.
Second, WO is an independent thread but managed by @infofront and could be change according to Theymos message in the year 2017 if hes not moderating the thread verywell or if the thread is complicated complicated by cause I also believe the thread rules are follow in terms of multi-posting (except obvious spam), trolling and off-topicness.
Second, WO is an independent thread but managed by @infofront and could be change according to Theymos message in the year 2017 if hes not moderating the thread verywell or if the thread is complicated complicated by cause I also believe the thread rules are follow in terms of multi-posting (except obvious spam), trolling and off-topicness.
Hey theymos, please disable merits on WO.
For SwayStar God damn it.
This sounds so obnoxious.
Nice to see you masterlogic. 
For SwayStar God damn it.
~ as much as i hate the toxicity in WO i dont mind it being open if the merit issue is solved. ill rename the thread now
This sounds so obnoxious.
Nice to see you master
Although you have a point Merit always seems easy to get in the Wall Observer topic, I don't think that topic harms the forum. Merit was introduced to stop spammers, and I see no harm in a bunch of guys posting in one very big topic.
There are a lot of Merit sources active in that topic, just like in Meta, which makes it easier to earn Merit. I would love to see technical topics earn more Merit than WO or Meta posts, but I think less people read those, or the people who do read them have less sMerit to share.
I wish the WO-topic had a summary, because there are interesting posts, but there's just far too many other posts to read too.
For anyone who likes scrolling, I made WallObserver.tk
To answer your questions:
Should Bitcoin Wall Observer thread be deleted? No.
Should merit be disabled on Bitcoin Wall Observer? No.
There are a lot of Merit sources active in that topic, just like in Meta, which makes it easier to earn Merit. I would love to see technical topics earn more Merit than WO or Meta posts, but I think less people read those, or the people who do read them have less sMerit to share.
Well i think you get the point, lets now look at the merit flow for one of the WBO regulars..
You forgot to compare this data to their actual posts: if 95% of their posts and reading happens in the WO-thread, it's not surprising their Merit activity happens in the same thread too.I wish the WO-topic had a summary, because there are interesting posts, but there's just far too many other posts to read too.
For anyone who likes scrolling, I made WallObserver.tk
To answer your questions:
Should Bitcoin Wall Observer thread be deleted? No.
Should merit be disabled on Bitcoin Wall Observer? No.
The WO is a huge and (arguably) historic thread with millions of views.
Personally, I see it as the beating heart of the forum. Yes it is populated by the OG bitcoiners, people who have been around for years, been through the crypto winters and hung on through rain and shine. For many people it is the best old school bar in town. Sometimes they let off steam, sometimes soak up the heat for everyone with a quip.
Old warriors who have seen it all are indeed scathing of those who have yet to learn, but it is also the place where news often surfaces first, and where the mood of the entire community of the forum is displayed. The memes can encapsulate the mood, the jokes offer gallows humour when things are grim. It is welcoming of new members who 'get it' and gives short shrift to those who don't.
There are indeed a lot of merit sources there, inevitably they are people who are always checking in on the WO - for many who have been around a long time the WO is their home page. Sources do have to use merits (or lose them) and it is entirely up to them where they send them.
It will not change and personally I don't think it should. It is an open and tough debating forum - yes, with humour and chat. But if you look closely there is much to learn.
I did.
Personally, I see it as the beating heart of the forum. Yes it is populated by the OG bitcoiners, people who have been around for years, been through the crypto winters and hung on through rain and shine. For many people it is the best old school bar in town. Sometimes they let off steam, sometimes soak up the heat for everyone with a quip.
Old warriors who have seen it all are indeed scathing of those who have yet to learn, but it is also the place where news often surfaces first, and where the mood of the entire community of the forum is displayed. The memes can encapsulate the mood, the jokes offer gallows humour when things are grim. It is welcoming of new members who 'get it' and gives short shrift to those who don't.
There are indeed a lot of merit sources there, inevitably they are people who are always checking in on the WO - for many who have been around a long time the WO is their home page. Sources do have to use merits (or lose them) and it is entirely up to them where they send them.
It will not change and personally I don't think it should. It is an open and tough debating forum - yes, with humour and chat. But if you look closely there is much to learn.
I did.
Should merit be disabled on Bitcoin Wall Observer?
No .....I mean Yes I really don't care
No .....I mean Yes I really don't care
If your not gonna bother using logic, im not gonna bother replying
Good. Stop crying then.
This subject has been discussed multiple times before, and you think it's logical to bring it up again?
For what? What do you think you can accomplish?
Just fuck off sweetheart.
Theymos' clarifications change absolutely nothing from my argument, the fact that the mods stopped caring about the off topic posts doesnt change the fact that the posts are off topic and low effort and are getting merited if they really just wanted to talk with each other they wouldnt care if merits were disabled on WO
Well, then make up your fucking mind and open a new thread for that. This one (per the OP) is about if the WO thread should be deleted or not.
I say NO.
Arguments?
Nah, I thought we were trying to impose our personal opinion(s) to others.
Nah, I thought we were trying to impose our personal opinion(s) to others.
The forum is the bitcoin forum and the Bitcoin Wall Observer thread is unique on the forum. It's the place to visit for bitcoin enthusiasts.
Next, please read to know the history of Wall Observer thread:
- Signature is disabled in Wall Observer thread and posters can not get their post quota in WO. No advertisement in WO.
- People can complain about how merit is distributed in WO but please remember that even if you earn thousand of merit in WO but you simply earn it from shitposts and you are a shitposter, you will not get acceptances from managers of good campaigns. It makes sense to stop complaining about merit in WO.
Next, please read to know the history of Wall Observer thread:
In the last link you posted, the poll option "Transfer ownership of the current thread to someone active, and trust them to enforce on-topicness." Won the most amount of votes, and well clearly the on topicness is not very high, so i dont get what kind of arguement you are trying to make here, if anything you just supported me
You are not too good researching a subject, are you? Ok, will spoonfeed you: Keep reading the links provided. Maybe even a couple post beyond the OP... including the Theymos posts/clarifications.
This was my original motivation to write this thread
I think that the real motivation is jealousy.
WO is different from most of this forum and it's OK as it is.
Quite a number of people from there don't even read or post in the rest of the forum.
Quite some people from there don't even care about merits (long time legendaries).
So all this crying / useless drama only makes you ... look small.
PS. Merit is not everything.
PPS. Beware, addiction to Facebook likes is studied as disorder, try to not get something similar about merits.
It was a conditional statement.
There's no need for any change. It's harmless.
There's no need for any change. It's harmless.
id say the majority of merit being holed up and distributed within a single thread is pretty harmful
Most threads last a day or two at most. That thread has been going on for years, so your categorical statement does not make sense.
the difference is that in WO if you are a member of the upper echelon you can get merited for posting ameme that has absolutely nothing to do with bitcoin! far from bitcoin price discussion dont you think
This (yours not WO) thread would be completely worthless except for that "upper echelon" meme worthy statement. We had Wealthy Elite before, now we have Upper Echelon too. Thanks whinyboy.
The WO thread is the ONLY thread I have been visiting for many years now on bitcointalk.org. I always have a tab open in my browser and try and keep up to date on the pages of posts. I don't post often there, although I read it on a weekly basis. I have been visiting bitcointalk since 2011, although my username was only registered in 2013. There are many of us who find comfort in reading WO when the HODL gets tough and celebrate together when the bull gets going. The merits are also useful to identify the quality posts from the perspective of like minded WO readers when scanning pages of posts trying to catch up to the latest posts. If you remove WO thread, you kill bitcointalk.org for me and others.
Love your recommended exchanges btw.
I think you should delete them, and put Bitstamp and Kraken instead.
In fact, I demand that you do. Your choice of exchanges is toxic.
I think you should delete them, and put Bitstamp and Kraken instead.
In fact, I demand that you do. Your choice of exchanges is toxic.
The forum is the bitcoin forum and the Bitcoin Wall Observer thread is unique on the forum. It's the place to visit for bitcoin enthusiasts.
Next, please read to know the history of Wall Observer thread:
Edit:
I appreciate them that they have kept their market observations despite of what's going on the market. Pump or dump, bull or bear they still keep their observation going/
- Signature is disabled in Wall Observer thread and posters can not get their post quota in WO. No advertisement in WO.
- People can complain about how merit is distributed in WO but please remember that even if you earn thousand of merit in WO but you simply earn it from shitposts and you are a shitposter, you will not get acceptances from managers of good campaigns. It makes sense to stop complaining about merit in WO.
Next, please read to know the history of Wall Observer thread:
Edit:
I appreciate them that they have kept their market observations despite of what's going on the market. Pump or dump, bull or bear they still keep their observation going/
id say the majority of merit being holed up and distributed within a single thread is pretty harmful
Most threads last a day or two at most. That thread has been going on for years, so your categorical statement does not make sense.
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