Should Peter Vessenes resign as the Executive Director for Bitcoin Foundation ? - page 8.

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Please just disband the Bitcoin foundation and stop trying to form organizations that claim to represent people when they actually don't, I'm getting sick of this, it's exactly how groups like the Federal Reserve got started and will also be why I diversify into alternative currencies, I will never acknowledge the 'Bitcoin foundation' as any sort of regulatory or representative body of Bitcoin or it's users and do everything to fight against them.

Well you guys can complain about it or you can help me design and implement my course. The better it becomes; the more people take it and recommend it. If it becomes the entry point into the bitcoin world for the general public, then those who control the course; control the opinions and level of participation for all who learned from it. I want the veterans in this community to step up or you will have to just accept the bitcoin foundation as your defacto leader. The media will give them this title soon enough.

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Quote from: Chakraball on April 24, 2013, 02:50:09 PM

There are some rather, quite disturbing in my opinion, facts about the foundation that have never been mentioned on this forum, indeed anywhere on the web, unless perhaps on a members only site.

It's the first I've heard of it and I'm a lifetime member. Granted, I don't frequent the foundation's forums, so perhaps I'm just out of the loop.

If an email was sent out about this to foundation members, I missed it.

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Quote from: Brushan on April 24, 2013, 04:09:54 PM

Quote from: Chakraball on April 24, 2013, 03:50:31 PM

Quote from: Herodes on April 24, 2013, 03:02:25 PM

Quote from: Chakraball on April 24, 2013, 02:50:09 PM

There are some rather, quite disturbing in my opinion, facts about the foundation that have never been mentioned on this forum, indeed anywhere on the web, unless perhaps on a members only site.

Could you please elaborate on what's disturbing ?

When I saw and read this thread I thought the same as your last post - "They'll probably do a great job and all, but non-profit ?

There's at least 3 major business owners in the board of important people there." -

So I did some searching and what I found prompted me to join the forum to comment, I will PM you shortly Herodes.

Why don't you tell us all?

I am not one to accuse before I am sure of my facts, Herodes is a long standing member and may be able to confirm some things for me and because he started this thread I don't think he will try to deflect my questioning of the foundation.

When I have collated and verified all my info I will post it here.

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The Bitcoin Foundation Inc. constitutes a serious risk to Bitcoin's independence that should not be taken lightly.

What they seek is Bitcoin's approval by the establishment by adjusting it to their requirements, which is a severly misguided aim.

The fact that they wish to take control of bitcoin.org raises a huge red flag.

What they exhibit first and foremost is constant usurpation for (more) power. They do not act in the interest of the majority of Bitcoin users - they act as they see fit.

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Please just disband the Bitcoin foundation and stop trying to form organisations that claim to represent people when they actually don't, I'm getting sick of this, it's exactly how groups like the Federal Reserve got started and will also be why I diversify into alternative currencies, I will never acknowledge the 'Bitcoin foundation' as any sort of regulatory or representative body of Bitcoin or it's users and do everything to fight against them.

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Quote from: Chakraball on April 24, 2013, 03:50:31 PM

Quote from: Herodes on April 24, 2013, 03:02:25 PM

Quote from: Chakraball on April 24, 2013, 02:50:09 PM

There are some rather, quite disturbing in my opinion, facts about the foundation that have never been mentioned on this forum, indeed anywhere on the web, unless perhaps on a members only site.

Could you please elaborate on what's disturbing ?

When I saw and read this thread I thought the same as your last post - "They'll probably do a great job and all, but non-profit ?

There's at least 3 major business owners in the board of important people there." -

So I did some searching and what I found prompted me to join the forum to comment, I will PM you shortly Herodes.

Why don't you tell us all?

Chakraball

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Quote from: Herodes on April 24, 2013, 03:02:25 PM

Quote from: Chakraball on April 24, 2013, 02:50:09 PM

There are some rather, quite disturbing in my opinion, facts about the foundation that have never been mentioned on this forum, indeed anywhere on the web, unless perhaps on a members only site.

Could you please elaborate on what's disturbing ?

When I saw and read this thread I thought the same as your last post - "They'll probably do a great job and all, but non-profit ?

There's at least 3 major business owners in the board of important people there." -

So I did some searching and what I found prompted me to join the forum to comment, I will PM you shortly Herodes.

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Quote from: Chakraball on April 24, 2013, 02:50:09 PM

There are some rather, quite disturbing in my opinion, facts about the foundation that have never been mentioned on this forum, indeed anywhere on the web, unless perhaps on a members only site.

Could you please elaborate on what's disturbing ?

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Quote from: Severian on April 24, 2013, 01:55:02 PM

Quote from: DeeSome on April 17, 2013, 08:40:55 PM

" Should Peter Vessenes resign as the Executive Director for Bitcoin Foundation ?"

Perhaps you should give it it's proper name. The Bitcoin Foundation has been voluntarily dissolved according to .gov records and the new entity is called "THE BITCOIN FOUNDATION, INC. DBA THE BITCOIN FOUNDATION"

Well, I'll be damned.

http://www.bizapedia.com/wa/THE-BITCOIN-FOUNDATION-INC-DBA-THE-BITCOIN-FOUNDATION.html

There are some rather, quite disturbing in my opinion, facts about the foundation that have never been mentioned on this forum, indeed anywhere on the web, unless perhaps on a members only site.

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They'll probably do a great job and all, but non-profit ?

There's at least 3 major business owners in the board of important people there.

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Quote from: DeeSome on April 17, 2013, 08:40:55 PM

" Should Peter Vessenes resign as the Executive Director for Bitcoin Foundation ?"

Perhaps you should give it it's proper name. The Bitcoin Foundation has been voluntarily dissolved according to .gov records and the new entity is called "THE BITCOIN FOUNDATION, INC. DBA THE BITCOIN FOUNDATION"

Well, I'll be damned.

http://www.bizapedia.com/wa/THE-BITCOIN-FOUNDATION-INC-DBA-THE-BITCOIN-FOUNDATION.html

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Quote from: theymos on April 17, 2013, 08:32:23 PM

I think that this is a very nice arrangement. (And it was set up this way by Satoshi, so it must be good!) Though Gavin has said that he would like the domain name to be under the Bitcoin Foundation's control, which is something I definitely wouldn't support.

Having control spread out a little, only makes sens if you ask me.

Quote from: DeeSome on April 17, 2013, 08:40:55 PM

" Should Peter Vessenes resign as the Executive Director for Bitcoin Foundation ?"

Perhaps you should give it it's proper name. The Bitcoin Foundation has been voluntarily dissolved according to .gov records and the new entity is called "THE BITCOIN FOUNDATION, INC. DBA THE BITCOIN FOUNDATION"

I have absolutely no knowledge about this, in general I know nothing about legal company/organization structures in the US. I obv. don't live in the US.

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Is it safe to say that the USD is the world's currency? Governments will need to regulate the USD side of the Bitcoin imo...thoughts?

Thx

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" Should Peter Vessenes resign as the Executive Director for Bitcoin Foundation ?"

Perhaps you should give it it's proper name. The Bitcoin Foundation has been voluntarily dissolved according to .gov records and the new entity is called "THE BITCOIN FOUNDATION, INC. DBA THE BITCOIN FOUNDATION"

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Quote from: Herodes on April 16, 2013, 04:26:59 AM

But true - what could we do if the official software was in fact changed containing something most people would not approve of. I hope it never comes to that..

The bitcoin.org domain name is thankfully not controlled by the Bitcoin Foundation. It's controlled by Sirius, who was given this control by Satoshi. So if a version of Bitcoin released on bitcoin.org does anything funny, Sirius can take it down. If Sirius does anything funny, the release won't be properly signed, and the Bitcoin developers could also issue a network alert. I think that this is a very nice arrangement. (And it was set up this way by Satoshi, so it must be good!) Though Gavin has said that he would like the domain name to be under the Bitcoin Foundation's control, which is something I definitely wouldn't support.

I don't think that the Bitcoin Foundation does much harm if it doesn't get too much power. It might be useful for it to hold any Bitcoin trademarks and patents in jurisdictions where it's not safely possible for no one to hold such things. It's good that Gavin is getting paid. I haven't been too impressed by their other activities, though they haven't done much harm IMO.

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Quote from: Herodes on April 17, 2013, 07:30:22 PM

Quote from: mobodick on April 17, 2013, 08:44:03 AM

In any case, you would need to make a pretty strong statement of disassociation with BCF to give it any meaning.

Could you elaborate on this please ?

Bitcoin Foundation has an official ring to it. People will give this organisation authority purely because of its name.
If your goal is to show that this organisation is not representative then you have to communicate it well enough because you're fighting an image.

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Quote from: mobodick on April 17, 2013, 08:44:03 AM

In any case, you would need to make a pretty strong statement of disassociation with BCF to give it any meaning.

Could you elaborate on this please ?

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Quote from: Herodes on April 17, 2013, 04:49:37 AM

Quote from: darkmule on April 17, 2013, 01:39:46 AM

Quote from: marcus_of_augustus on April 16, 2013, 05:25:11 PM

tl;dr : Luke-jr (and some part sepa) made the call for the network to return to 0.7.xx fork, not Gavin or the BF.

So, basically, the idea was adopted simply because it was good, and not because of some imputed authority of its proponent?

That's actually a good thing.

I think the concept of this thread may be mistaken. The question isn't really whether some guy should resign from some foundation, but whether we should even be making decisions based on the opinion of some foundation. Really, who cares what BCF thinks? Am I the only person practically unaware of the activities of this entity?

Agreed - while this might've been not the best thread ever created on this forum, it has spured some interesting conversation that I personally have found interesting.

In any case, you would need to make a pretty strong statement of disassociation with BCF to give it any meaning.
The world will see 'Bitcoin Foundation' and think its the singular incarnation of bitcoin.
They have automatically won if there are no voices against it.

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Quote from: darkmule on April 17, 2013, 01:39:46 AM

Quote from: marcus_of_augustus on April 16, 2013, 05:25:11 PM

tl;dr : Luke-jr (and some part sepa) made the call for the network to return to 0.7.xx fork, not Gavin or the BF.

So, basically, the idea was adopted simply because it was good, and not because of some imputed authority of its proponent?

That's actually a good thing.

I think the concept of this thread may be mistaken. The question isn't really whether some guy should resign from some foundation, but whether we should even be making decisions based on the opinion of some foundation. Really, who cares what BCF thinks? Am I the only person practically unaware of the activities of this entity?

Agreed - while this might've been not the best thread ever created on this forum, it has spured some interesting conversation that I personally have found interesting.

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