Topic: ✨ Shuffle.com | The next generation of crypto casinos | Sports, Casino + token - page 48. (Read 21094 times)

Hmm sound like a nice story but you know what? I'm not going to buy your fake story anymore.

No, my friend never even bet on any same game, he is not even playing on Shuffle anymore. Also myself I did not do arbitrage at all.
All I did was play casino games (what can be wrong about that, it's even dumb to play those games in the long run but I liked it just for fun) and some NBA sports bets. I guess they did not like that I won more than I lost. And therefore they conveniently assume I must be the same person as my friend. To confiscate my winnings is extremely rough and very doubtful act, but to even confiscate my deposit it simply theft.

What on earth has lying to do with that?
Yes, I got help from another user as I wanted to contact you. He said he initially sent you a message and then I said it's better if I talk to you myself and therefore he deleted his message to you, what is so strange about that?
That has nothing to do with my issue with Shuffle.

FelixH is a liar. He lied to me in telegram. Before reaching me in telegram from his Felix account, he reached me from his original account. I got his message notification in telegram. As I was busy, I didn't check at that time. When Felix reached me, surprisingly the previous message from his original account was deleted.
This guy has alt account bitcointalk (his main account who has problem with almost all the casinos). I don't want to mention who I'm talking about. I had tried my best to help him in another case but I'm now getting convinced that he is an abuser as he didn't bother to lie when he reached me in telegram.

Does your “friend” bet on same matches as yours but on opposite side? Because there’s no problem if you both on same matches on same exact pick. But if you’re always have a contradicting bet then this will surely raise a suspicion for arbitrage betting which is not allowed in the casino because you can freely get rakeback and other passive reward such as airdrop and lvl up reward without losing anything.

But at least you should recover your initial deposit unless the other account successfully manage to withdraw the balance which cover your initial deposit. This story of yours about multiple account that involves family, friends and other relatives is the common reason of those players caught doin arbitrage bet and different kind of abuse.

That is scary to hear even when you are providing KYC they are refusing to pay out lol! I was looking at trust pilot reviews and I came across this https://www.trustpilot.com/reviews/655a1873fbd4bd4b20c90cfd which looks really similar to your case! This is very worrying signs. Personally for my case even with less than $1000 total wager they are enforcing KYC and holding my funds hostage.

6 weeks? you are a very patient man.

Hello all

My name is Felix from Germany and I would like to express my displeasure of what is going on with my Shuffle account.
Let me explain what is going on. I opened an account on 27th January and wagered $57,634 ever since. This was over $50,000 in casino (keno, plinko and some other games) and also for about $6300 in sports bets (just 4 NBA bets and 1 soccer test bet on Barcelona). See screenshot of my sports bets here:
https://i.ibb.co/Zdm7B89/Shuffle-Sports-bets.png
And of my overall wagers here: https://i.ibb.co/rchHTV1/Shuffle-SCREEN-Total-Wagered-FEB-26.png
My original deposit was 100mbtc and my current balance is 177mbtc. See here: https://i.ibb.co/YTw2ZMK/Shuffle-SCREEN-26-FEB.png
When I wanted to request a withdrawal it was rejected however and I was asked to complete KYC. I submitted the documents they asked from my and you can see it was accepted:
https://i.ibb.co/R00bkxZ/Shuffle-Verification.png
Then they went on to ask me all kinds of questions in the chat. They asked if I had already another account and I said no. Then they went on to say that they had noticed there was another account which was from the same region. Then I admitted that I indeed have a friend who lives about 15km away from me (thus same region and some similarities in the IP-address) and this friend initially recommended Shuffle to me. Me and some friends have an app group in which we discuss all kinds of private things and from time to time recommend casinos/sportsbooks who still accept German customers (cause many these days don't accept Germans anymore). After his recommendation I checked Bitcointalk forum and after reading good comments I decided to join a few days later. Shuffle said they find it suspicious that I joined a few days after my friend had his last withdrawal but it's only logical that people only recommend sites after they successfully received their funds.
The problem however is that simply because of this Shuffle refuse to let me request a payout. Shuffle states that because my IP is from same region and I quote "the betting pattern has similarities with another user" I have apparently violated their terms in such a way that I am not only not getting my winnings, but not even my deposit also!
I find this very very unfair. Literally the only thing I have in common with my friend is that we both live in the same region and we love the same games (mostly keno and plinko and NBA). But let's be honest, how many friends are there who share their favourite games and therefore have a similarity in what they play? We have not shared a wallet (we both have our own finances), we have not shared a laptop and we have not shared an IP-address (yes, they have similarities because we live in the same region but they are not the same). And also, we did not place any of the same bets....it's the same sport (NBA) we placed some bets on but not the same games and not the same bets! Furthermore I have also never used a VPN or taken any deposit bonuses.
Shuffle claims that I gained an unfair advantage by opening my account because they think I am working together with my friend and that I opened a second account to circumvent betting limits. Now, if we used the same wallet to deposit, the same laptop to play, the same IP to log in from I would somehow understand their stance, but nothing of this all is the case (and these are all FACTS, simple to check).
But even IF (not saying I agree but just playing devil's advocate here) they are true in this assumption, then why did they not want to pay back my deposit and my casino winnings even? If they cancel all my sports bets in retrospect I would still have around 111 mbtc balance left, which belongs to me even in the worst case scenario I think. Even though I find it very harsh if they are going to punish me for my friend's betting history, I am willing to accept receiving just 111mbtc as a resolution because this situation has been spoiling my mood for the past 6 weeks now and it's stressing me out. 100+ mbtc is a LOT of money for me and I need it.

The strange thing is, my account is still open and I can still bet, just not withdraw. Whenever I try to withdraw I get a message saying it's disabled. See here: https://i.ibb.co/LnqH7xY/Shuffle-withdrawal-restricted.png

So, I am really amazed by this decision of Shuffle and I would like to ask Noah Dummett (ndumm user in this forum) to have a second opinion look at this decision and if he feels this outcome is really too harsh, then reconsider it please. Noah, I have sent you my username per PM.
I am not going to open a scam accusation topic yet because my account is still open and active and funds have not really been confiscated yet, but if this will happen then I will not just accept this and I will also contact a lawyer in Curacao for it. But ofcourse, I will give Shuffle the chance to solve it right here and this also has my preference.

If casinos are going to confiscate balances simply because of assumptions and not facts, then this is really the wrong path to go on for Shuffle.
And btw, if they still think me and my friend are the exact same person and they believe my ID is not real, then I will gladly do an extensive verification with camera and all, no problem.

Hope to hear from you soon Shuffle!

Kind regards, Felix
 

Hey guys, I just want to post my experience with this casino/sportsbook. The first couple of days my experience playing the sportsbook was smooth! nearly instant deposits and withdrawals, and the betting experience was very nice.

2 days in, I am a couple of hundred dollars up with less than $1000 total wagered and now they disabled my withdrawal option, betting option and want me to provide KYC to even withdraw my money just $100 balance! I never saw that before with my 5 years+ gambling on casinos. 

I do not have any bonuses enabled. I tried to complain in the chat  and I got muted for 20 days. Maybe I was a little rude with my rant for them asking KYC but 20 days really? Luckily I did not deposit thousands.

https://prnt.sc/rBkIf1xLK-8q

I'll edit my reply, if this get's resolved.

I am assuming you haven't read shfl whitepaper yet?

If that was too long or complex, it's basically reward token for using the casino, and 15% of shuffle revenues are weekly used to buyback and burn SHFL tokens directly from open market. So it will definitely add some value to the token, as casino itself is providing buy pressure.

Token holders will get some vip perks and there will be more utility for it in the future, we don't know what all that is yet though. And You can also use it to wager in the casino, which is handy but nothing special.

As in comparison $fun token didn't have any kind of deflationary tokenomics if i recall correctly.

I have wagered around $2k only on Shuffle until now, and I haven't received any SHFL tokens from the airdrop. I couldn't find out the requirement to be eligible for the SHFL airdrop.

FUN tokens came with some beneficial features for the users (E.g. Freebitco premium membership), still they failed to recover it's previous price. Shuffle team has already described about the utility of SHFL token, you may check them here: Token Utility

There will be some exclusive benefits for the VIP users. And they will burn the tokens occasionally by using a part of their revenue. Anyway, SHFL tokens price won't fluctuate highly like the FUN token.

Yeah, 500$ for an airdrop while I’m in profit on this casino is really a good reward. I wish I just discover this casino first then coins.game which I wager most of the time. I only play on shuffle using my excess money which is why I only have few wager here. I’m not expecting to receive this amount for my wager volume contributed on this casino.


I think so, Shuffle is the only casino that has a token with liquidity provider backing them. This makes their token have more liquidity to absorb sell off from airdrop receiver without resulting to huge price impact. I hope to earn more of this token on the next round of airdrop probably on more wagering requirements.

After my pleb "DYOR", probability would say that the market value of new tokens minted during a bull market would absolutely gain more market value as it goes further into the bull cycle. But if the token doesn't surge in market value during a bull market, then probably there's currently not enough interest although that could change.

I believe with the right incentive structure, the token's fair market value will be priced high by the market in general. Plus the social layer/community should be considered by the team to be as important as the casino. The people should like HODLing the token because they themselves feel valued by the team. But how to make them they feel more valued? - Through Incentives.

Can someone explain the purpose of the shfl token?   Serious question. Are they raising money by selling what ultimately amounts to crypto poker chips?  Or is there some other beneficial use? Is this a repeat of the $FUN token for crypto casinosthat saw its investors lose 99% of its value bc it had no purpose, or will the token have some intrinsic value or functional purpose aside from using it as a “crypto poker chip”  Given all the enthusiasm I’m trying to find out more info.

I did not play much at shuffle, but I'm also eligible for 800+ token based on the message from Noah. I read on the X's post that users will be eligible to claim it once the sale is complete or once the hardcap is reached. Sale will start on March 10 and end on March 12, so maybe we all can expect to claim our SHFL on March 13 or earlier if the sale goes well by reaching the hardcap before the sale end. Initial price is $1 on the sale but I don't think that I will buy some more during the sale as I have limited funds now. 800+ token is nice enough if the price will raise after the sale but I think holding it for more times will be better, expecting to see SHFL goes to the moon later. 

With price above $1, your airdrop is good in value as it is about $500 airdrop.

I recalled they did not require too difficult conditions to be qualified for their airdrop so with $500 free money, it's good for you to enjoy. You can use it to bet on Shuffle or to chase hidden gems in a bull run.

By the way, do you see Shuffle token as a hidden gem and can help you to gain more money in next months?

Good on you ser. 👍

I believe that amount is good enough if the token truly has a listing price of $1.00. But that's also depending on how much you have lost in gambling. If you lost thousands, then the price needs to surge to be "good enough".


You probably should give it a chance and just merely HODL. Your 482 SHFL wallet might be worth more than the starting market value if the price surges to $10.00

I tried logging in via my cellphone and didn't get any information, but after I changed the display to the desktop version, I saw a message from Noah and I was eligible for the 400 SHFL airdrop. Not bad and a large amount in my opinion, especially if the price can stay at $1.1 until the tokens are distributed. I only have VIP Bronze 5 with a wager of around $5k. For those who have a high VIP level and a high wager, they will definitely get a lot of SHFL tokens



The latest prices from SHFL can be found at: https://app.aevo.xyz/perpetual/shfl

The current price on the pre market trading is already at 1.25$ per token. You can check trading on this site https://app.aevo.xyz/perpetual/shfl

The initial circulating supply will be 71,126,984.56 SHFL. The current price is still at very low price considering the currently circulating supply. All info is available on their whitepaper that is pinned kn their X account. https://t.co/WhF9SDJcGo

Got 482 tokens which I don’t know if the amount is good or just a penny since I only reach silver rank on my VIP. I fall short on farming more because I’m still invested on my other casino account for VIP rewards.

I hope they will listed this on exchange or provide token conversion on the casino to different currencies with just minimal fee. Is there any info what will be the initial circulating supply of the token once the airdrop release? Finger crossed on 1$ each token price per SHFL.  

It would be something if early players in Shuffle also got discount from the token sale, although i am not sure how legal that would be anymore now that regulators are watching everything more closely.

But it's too early for me to decide if i want to participate to that token sale. It depends on how the token sale is organized, or if it even is a public sale. Because Noah tweets are the only place i've seen talk about token sale. Shuffle whiltepaper search gives zero results. I can't see anything from tokenomics that would fit, so i am speculating where are the tokens for sale coming from:



Early contributors/angel investors have already invested, so if i had to guess they are coming from treasury:


Treasury is 31.2% from total supply, and they can't just sell all from them if token sale allocation isn't even mentioned in whitepaper. And if they are rise money with it, token price could end up being high, as it's not going to be huge part of total supply. So i'll wait for more info to make any decisions.

But maybe i have missed something essential, like a tweet or part of the text in whitepaper. I'll just wait more info