Topic: [SHUTTING DOWN] [DiceBitco.in | BE THE BANK ! | 1% House Edge] - page 29. (Read 102259 times)

Hello Stars, that would mean we would have to shift the bets and not fill up the bets, and we went with the second scenario, since is the most logical and fair to everyone(favors and winners and losers!) Imagine, since you kept betting non stop @ the same odd, you would end up with that roll sequences anyways(only diference is you may have stopped on first winning roll, meaning you could cash out 9 BTC profit or never reached the last one which gave more BTCs). Filling the missing winners with net profit is the most sensible resolution we could came up with, and its fair for everyone(i will agree fair it would be never to have happened, but you get what I mean!)

Yeah i guess it is hard to prove all that what u are saying .

As for red, well you (your site) did scam people , u failed to provide proof that it was third party who actually made scam happen, so by default until u prove otherwise, scam is on u . I didn't invest nor gamble at ur site so i didn't leave negative trust but i was following this thread rly closely .

As for "not running with 1700 btc" argument , yeah it does mean something...
But it could mean simply that u didn't have balls to run with that amount of money.
Or that u just wanted some exstra profit in long run while still running the site.
Or what u saying it true and u are legit. ( which rly u failed to convince me)

As always to all gamblers, no matter if u intend to gamble, or invest  , u should always invest ONLY what u can afford to lose!

I hope eventually u can prove that u are legit  coz btc community needs safe place to invest in, after JD is gone, and primedice doesn't take investments.

Right after jd closed i was talking to Stunna about it , and we both ware  concerned about great opportunity for scamers to simply make new dice site accept investments and later run with the money, coz people started looking for new places to invest in.
 
I still can't trust any site besides that two , what happened to everydice and this , only put me away even more.
In bitcoin community , trust is everything , its hard to earn that , but easy to lose it. So everybody be careful with ur bitcoins .

Cheers.

Ok so I understand why you got mixed up with sending me 20.08 instead of 26.28. You need to remember that I lost my initial bet of 2 BTC because of the skipped nonce so instead of you re-funding me the profit of the 2 BTC bet, you need to re-fund the bet + the profit as that's what I would have won if the nonce's weren't skipped.
If you do do everything properly, put the chat back up and work hard to build your community and reputation back up which you once had I see a bright future ahead.

Edit: 2+1+2+0.5+0.5+0.2 = my bets that I lost. 26.28 BTC (the correct number you owe me) minus 20.08 BTC (the number you gave me) = 6.2 BTC.

Will you publish mateo's rolls, seeds, etc?

Its not like i refuse to give details of the 3rd dev. Its that i CANNOT give details of the 3rd dev, simply because its a connection from real life, which could end up very bad for us.  I understand and fully respect that it may not convince you. Tbh it wouldnt convince me either! Neither i expect magically thousands of BTCs to roll into the site again. HOWEVER, before we took down chat(and with whoever i talked after that, given emails or support tickets) I kept saying one thing: I'll make it right for eveyrone, to the extent i can.

As for mateo - How could i possibly prove to you about mateo sign up date? I have it on the base - but then again you could say i altered it.

At that point, im just glad it could work out for every user. Apparently im not here for my user trust(thank you stunna for the red), neither i mind the"trade with extreme caution" sign. EVERYONE shoudl trade with caution with anyone in this forum, trusted or not.

Only proof I have, is we didnt run with thousands of coins(if that means something). Apart from this, i will agree with you. Everything else is simply words!

Regards

Yea exactly.

But since it considered it a loss didn't it take his BTC?  Meaning he should be getting the rest too.



for ex. he would have PROFITED 55.18 BTC and kepy his BTC.  Instead it took his BTC so he should be returned his BTC plus the profits.  Which is 61.38 BTC

Glad you got it! Its 6.2*8.9 = 55.18 and not 6.2*9.9. 9.9 is the payout, so the clear profit is x8.9!

Long post but u didn't say anything more than ur last statement.

Like refusing to give out details of that "third dev" , is like saying he doesn't exist. (not saying that he doesn't but it looks like that)

Also mateo situation , ur explanation doesn't rly excludes that dev or even u or other owner.

I rly hope what are u saying is true , people need safe place to invest , but ur statement doesn't convinces me at all.
All i see are words. There is no proofs at all. Like that actual code, logs of updates and changes to the site, devs personal info, proof of mateo's signup date and time (which doesn't rly change much but anyways) etc...

Ok, I recieved the 20.08 BTC. Thanks a lot! But if you're going to do this, I think you should make sure everything is perfect. When I asked dooglus to check the bets for me, this is what he got :
40156079   2.00000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   18.7159   -2.00000000       46 :0.8867   ->   47 :18.7159     
40155389   1.00000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   75.4344   -1.00000000       44 :4.8272   ->   45 :75.4344     
40143529   2.00000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   37.0200   -2.00000000       40 :9.2106   ->   41 :37.02       
40125973   0.50000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   56.0960   -0.50000000       36 :9.6882   ->   37 :56.096     
40125765   0.50000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   10.4268   -0.50000000       32 :2.0807   ->   33 :10.4268     
40114847   0.20000000   9.9000   ↓10.0000   32.7034   -0.20000000       27 :9.5783   ->   28 :32.7034   

That's a total of 6.2 BTC at 9.9x for a payout of 61.38 BTC. I already received the 35.1 and then I just received the 20.08 which is a total of 55.18 BTC.

OP is unlocked, and official announcement is here :  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=789339.new#new  



Hello everybody. There has been a lot of speculation going around, especially since we decided to stop forum announcements/communications and locked our official topic. Threfore, we decided to come straight and give all the explanations people wanted/demanded.


Due to the massive and fast growth of DiceBitcoin, we decided to hire one more coder, who would help us with the load (new features, various fixes, etc) we were dealing with. If you were following DB from the start, you would notice that every few days we were fixing / upgrading / implementing new features non stop. We had and still have tons of ideas and things we want to deploy, so we decided that hiring one more guy would be a good idea. We first assigned him some simple tasks and he was quickly adapting to the demanding environment that we have. The payment agreement was a simple one that we thought it would give extra motivation to work harder: 20% of our cut, per month. So far so good.


However,  thats where the problem apparently begun. On 27th of August, we merged some of his changes without proper review of the code. We made sure that the build is not broken - that all tests were passing. There are no excuses for that. We didn’t review it like we should, and thats how we ended up in this shitty situation. The code, which went live, was allowing the skipping of winning bets when the bet met some criteria (e.g. the bet wins X amount of btc with odd higher than Y). This was not active by default, he had to chose manually which player to ‘cheat’ and this is why not all users were affected. That was a totally stupid way to implement it, since if you do that, the bets will not be verifiable since the nonce sequence would be broken. But we will return to that in awhile.


On the 7th of September, one of our players (finnile) noticed that something was wrong on his rolls. All his rolls were skipping winning nonces. When we confirmed it, we halted betting for everyone immediately (made all accounts invest-only, so betting was prohibited). It took us a lot of time to find out WTF was happening and just winning bets were skipped. Our first thought was that our database was having issues but then again why only the winning bets?. When we found out that in fact this was deliberate we looked for malicious code. We wrote some failing tests, due to non verifiability of the bets, then rolled back the commit that introduced this and having tests passing we deployed the fix and we re enabled betting.In addition, we refunded EVERY PLAYER who lost his coins due to this malicious code, from our own stash of bitcoins, leaving both the website's and investors' coins completely untouched. We took full responsibility for the mistake and we paid for it.


However, what followed was chaos(or shall i say, bank run).A lot of trolls, both on chat and on the forum didnt lose a chance and went apeshit on us, scaring everyone away and warming users to pull their coins immediately because we would steal them - disappear them - abracadabra them. What we did though, was non stop refunds on accounts that got negatively affected by this, processing thousand coins withdrawals and refilling the hot wallet. Betting resumed since the incident was fixed on the spot, and all refunds were carried by our stash, leaving investors intact, giving them zero reason to worry about their coins. Although, they were free to act at will. Not to mention investors were the only ones that got massive profit out of this!


In around 24hrs past the incident, the bankroll shrinked from 7500 coins to ~1700. Then,we had one user, mateo, which was hitting the bankroll non stop for almost 12hrs more, eating almost 600 BTC of profit (site was ~288 BTC profit prior to the 7th of September and around -320 BTC when mateo stopped playing).. Lot of speculation exists as well around that user, so please allow me to elaborate. User mateo was registered on 2014-08-06 18:22:05 and before the incident of 7th of September was -33 BTC in total. The date he registered the other developer was not hired yet, so it is impossible that it was him. The new hire had no access to the database (or to the production server) which means that it is impossible for him to know other users’ seeds. On top of that, mateo did randomize his rolls before he goes on with his crazy streak (my guess would be to verify if he got affected by the malicious code - btw he was not affected). Given all those facts there is 0% chance it could be someone that knew the server seed and played against it. When he asked for a withdrawal when done, we are left astonished with that run (like we didn’t have enough shit already to deal with). We postponed his withdrawal for several hours. We went through his rolls again and again, we searched every possible way of ”cheating”. Everything was legit, so we paid him out.

Story doesn’t finish here though! Bankroll was left ”bleeding” and nearly dead at around ~500 BTC, when people started investing little by little again. Finally two days ago, when we touched ~1k BTC bankroll again (and ~1700 BTC invested, exactly as it was before he started his crazy run), mateo returned. He made a massive deposit of 650 BTC, and after near half day of betting plus lot of fluctuations (we was winning up to 140 BTC at one point again - that sure made us shit our pants) he ended up losing everything he won on his previous lucky run plus some more. So what that means? That means that everyone who did not divest when mateo won, didn’t lose a single satoshi and made a very nice return on top (let alone those that invested after mateos’ huge win and stayed invested until his bust).

So does this make it right for everyone? Has our behavior been correct?
The answer is "No".

We did 3 mistakes. I will get to all 3 of them in detail among with solution.
   
1   We put code live on our site, without testing. No excuses for that. Its no others' fault apart from ours, and we took full responsibility for it (that is why we paid from our own stash of bitcoins, and not from   investors' or sites' coins). Our fault, our bill. We decided from now on that only we will work on this project, even if it means that future features will be delayed.
2   When shit hit the fan, we said that we will not refund people who didn’t lose from that (i.e. ended up with profit). That was wrong. Some users(with best example user marie_lemke ) even if he got his initial deposit refunded, he should end up with much higher profit if the skipped nonces were not in place.. So what we decided to do is simple: We credited all winning nonces that got skipped. That creates three types of users affected :
    a)    User had negative profit but he would end up with negative profit anyways. We refund the initial deposit anyways (favors user)   
    b)    User had negative profit but he would end up with positive profit if it wasnt for the skipped nonces. Initial deposit is already refunded and we are crediting all the positive skipped rolls as well.   
    c)    User had positive balance despite the malicious code. We are crediting all the winning skipped rolls as well.   
3       We abandoned forum / closed chat / locked our topic because we got so fed up with trolls and flaming.We allowed it to go under our skin, and that was our mistake. Communication is crucial, and absence of it is what they wanted and allows them to shrine. We wont do them the favor anymore! Effective immediately we are back on forum, back on twitter (will post a link to this topic so everyone can be aware of what happened) and unlocking our original topic. Chat also will be re-activated but we want first to think some way to limit spam there. One idea is to allow chat to active members (x amount of BTC wagered OR x amount invested OR x amount in balance). Please allow us a few days or best case tomorrow.


To sum it up:
-We made a major mistake and 2 smaller ones. We took everything we could to make it right for everyone and make sure they wont happen again.
-Rolls ARE provably fair. That was patched the same moment we became aware of It.
-All accounts that were affected by skipped nonces have been refunded, to their best interest. List of usernames among with voucher code (tied to their account) is posted here. The list is here publicly available and we have emailed all the users who were affected and had email in their profile.
-All refunds are made from our own stash, and not investors' or sites' money.
-All withdrawals / divests honoured. Never missed even one.

Bottom line, BankRoll was 7500BTC, which means we COULD HAVE STOLEN 3m$, but we didn't. Those BTCs missing are from investors who pulled out their own coins. Not only we never stole one btc, but we did return ~6k btc to date back to whoever requested it. Some people try very hard to take DB down, but we wont do them the favour!

I would like also to grab this opportunity again, and re-invite dooglus to co-sign the cold wallet with us. I think we proved ourselves that we didn’t run with 7500 coins when we could, but it would relax a lot of people if a co-sign was a possibility (especially now that it starts growing again and passed 1600 coins). Also, we have no problem if there is a way to take the roll server. For the story, we did discuss that in the past but we couldn’t find an efficient way to do it. That to answer to a lot of people who wondered ”why you didn’t take up dooglus offer?”. We never said no to dooglus. We just haven’t found a way to make it possible yet.


P.S Our sister site, DiceLiteco.in was not affected by this, since we didnt push any fix on that site for the last 2months+(we were waiting to finish with all the addons on the BitCoin version first, to pass it on the LTC site)


P.S.2 If possible please bitcoininformation and dooglus inform me about the signature campaign (who got paid, who is crossed out etc.) so I can finalize the payments at end of the month. Having said that, we are back and I do apologize for 10 days bsence.

P.S. 3 The reason we are making this post self-moderated, is simply to avoid troll posts like this one : https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8878492  . That doesn’t mean you can’t address your concerns here/mention our fuckup/ criticize us. Thats why we reopen our original topic as well. However since this is our official statement, we would like to keep it clear and on topic as much as possible.

I want to thank all users who send support tickets wishing us good luck and to hopes to stand again in our feet, even if they cannot express it on the forum, because they are afraid of ”negative trust” from alt accounts. Again thank you for your support. We will return stronger than ever!

Thank you all.

Regards




The list with affected users and vouchers follows:



ID          USERNAME     TOTAL AFFECTED         ALREADY REFUNDED           WE OWE                 VOUCHER
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861       cuwirebeard          7.1556                     5.90107777                 1.25452223            DICE-OOMZ-RHAO-VVJM-NADM-VPID
4153    chris.jakubowski    0.17653184                       0                          0.17653184            DICE-WRER-RGQN-WBQK-SAKG-YVCY
4433    presto                 0.92611544                       0                           0.92611544            DICE-SGXP-HDOH-NQIJ-OBHR-BSNH
12599    RNG                   6.93989901                2.62806461                 4.3118344              DICE-IQPB-VQHY-KRQN-NJLW-LLRQ
13835    Altitude             0.51368555                       0                          0.51368555            DICE-YVKB-WGVS-LROH-QUHU-QKNT
16189    andyazz            1.49798912                       0                          1.49798912            DICE-KTAW-CVNY-QCTR-BSBT-POYV
16511   marcellus_hand   1.23665803                        0                          1.23665803            DICE-GLXJ-BGHY-DNHT-JPXB-UKCD
16657   kinki                   1.234375                          0                          1.234375               DICE-POMK-UXEH-EACC-IYDC-YHHK
18541   coty_predovic     27.64702008                     20                        7.64702008             DICE-IEZN-HFKV-OEUX-RTXE-WPBD
18544   Degenerate            0.4                                0                            0.4                    DICE-RVYD-WUQQ-NTPH-YIEJ-TJKH
19864   marie_lemke         55.18                            35.1                         20.08                  DICE-WFQT-YWBJ-JFSC-KLLM-LROU  + 6.2  DICE-NHLI-XYNK-YUYW-JXWK-GDFX
19914  lewis.aufderhar     1.781328                          0                           1.781328              DICE-CIFJ-FTUE-OSIP-MYIU-RPWD
20178  esperanza.ritchie  1.74797619                       0                        1.74797619             DICE-HHWZ-LVKF-ZVMM-HRLK-UJQD
10637  themikego           1.50665557                 2.85665558                       0  
18165  Focus                   7.5                          8.00258683                       0
6769    finnile                  1.47746763                     2                               0
16416  James                       7                       14.3792809                        0

Note vouchers are bind to account, meaning only the spesific userid/username can claim it!

Thats just.... getting better and better. Like we dont have enough problems already, i have now to prove that this guy is not me.

This will be my last post here, and I will lock the topic.

Dooglus asked me yesterday, how can i be sure its not our ex-employee, knowing the seed. I checked that, the guy also zeroed nonce(provably to verify his rolls after all the fuckup) and he started rolling. Before today, his account was sitting at -33 BTC, and now he fluctates like hell. I will not enter any more arguments with you guys. You are entitled to your own opinion, and I respect that. I am highly dissapointed from the"community", espesially after we came out clear about this. We didnt try to hide anything, we didnt blame aliens, we didnt make up stories. Not only that, we didnt run with the bankroll and we didnt rejected ANY withdrawal. But again you are missing the point. So its my playing against the site. SHOULDNT I DO THAT when the shit started, at 7 or 6 or 4k BTC? I could say and support exactly the same"story", only difference i could "walk away" with thousands of BTC. Im done with that and all the crap you guys throwing at me. I guess forum is indeed conquered by troll and kiddies accounts. Fine.

Not only this project didnt make us money, but left us broke as well due to refunds. if you dont get this, i dont give a fuck anymore. We paid every negative balance that was affected from our pocket, and we take a hit now at our initial 200 BTC investment. But the trashtalk here that you guys put on us, especially from Stunnas puppies and PRC shitholes, I wont tolerate it anymore. YOU GUYS DESERVE primeoffline and PRC-i-get-blind-from-uglyness-ui site. I am done with this forum. If anyone has account issues, he can come at site and open a support ticket.

Note 1: Hot wallet was empty. I just sent the last bunch to proceed pending withdrawals. All pending withdrawals just sent out.

Note 2: We will exit crowdfunded scenario. Dice is provably fair and anyone can verify this(again, not even Stunna would cheat there). We COULD cheat on investors profit, and not been crowdfunded will resolve this once and for all.

Note 3: I offered dooglus again last night, before i go to bed, to take both cold wallet and roll server. Then i asked him again after one hour. I never got a reply.


of course i could understand how dooglus would want to keep his distance from this. Most probably i would too.

Note 4: As said, we are planning to go private funded. I think we proved we are not "flying" with bankrolls . ideal would be a BR of 2k coins, so we can offer at least 10 BTC bets. Multisig cold wallet, investors can have the roll server for full trancparency. We will do all the admin work, UI, support ticket, development, exactly as we were doing till today and before the fuckup. We propose a 30% cut for our work. if you have some serious propositions, drop up a support message.

Note 5: dooglus and bitcoininformation, please proseed with payments for the sig campaign when it expires. You both have from 5 BTC in escrow from me. If people change their signature, or the funds are more than i sent you, you can keep them as a thank you for the service.

Note 6: For crowdfunded i suggest you dice.ninja    Cool developers, cool guys.  By NO MEANS dont go to PRCDice. You will end up blind.

Note 7: Stunna, its funny how you were the FIRST to put negative trust,open scammer accuisation(?) on forum and all the crap you are firing from us from the start, no matter if from first second this went off I kept refunding everyone plus we never haulted withdrawals. A big FUCK YOU to you personally, because your character stinks from Khm away. You cannot stand competition and for good reason. You would lose any fucking given time.

Note 8 : I wont be able to refund and winning accounts. Our wallet is completely dry. I am sorry if you were"affected" and you won(?), I know it may suck for you, but at least the guys who actually LOST from this they got their coins back(and it looked higher priority to us).

Enough said.

Regards

why would manl process my manual withdrawal for a significant amount of btc if he is a scammer?
This does NOT add up.

There are many bad decisions and probably manteo has access to the server seeds, but I do not think manl did all this on purpose.

Honoring the possibility that this "whale" is legitimate is pure naivety. Myself and others predicted this would happen right after the scam, it's the natural move for DB owners. An undetectable method to further their scam which was crushed prematurely. This has further shown me how stupid investments are, what people have to realize is how much could have been scammed by this.

DB rode the coattails of dooglus's fame somehow convincing him that they were worthy of trust and the "dooglus" effect herded thousands of sheep into position. DB could have easily and undetectably scammed tens of thousands of coins if this wasn't uncovered so soon. I still wrestle daily with the idea of whether or not I trust that Nakowa was real. I can only Imagine the whales we'd see come out of DB if it lasted an additional year or two.

Investing is the quickest way to lose your bitcoins. Don't be sheep, from this point forward I won't feel sorry for anyone who loses funds to these ponzi like services. DB will be back with a new design, just give them another week or two.

Says the guy who scammed, sorry, "lost" 4000 coins.

At least Dicebitco.in didn't lose that many.

I just answered this:


You don't know the hot wallet balance, because you don't know all the hot wallet addresses.

i agree, anyone got txs tho

a obvious scam.. a whale can't just drain the whole sites BR like that under 24 hours.

Anyone got any tx's for mateos withdrawals?

Jesus, so they withdrew Mateo's earnings?! What if they were won by cheating!?

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