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Topic: Sick of Martingale? Give this a shot... It works. Chart and Instructions. - page 5. (Read 7555 times)

newbie
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I've tried this a couple of times now and it doesn't do too bad, again it's all about the luck
legendary
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Looks like martingale.. maybe it will work from someone but i think it always depends in our luck..
i will try this in faucet bonus maybe it will work.. just try..
newbie
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I made a script based on this idea. U can check it out here https://bot.seuntjie.com/Scripts.aspx
legendary
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Crypto for the Crypto Throne!
Interesting. But it hav`nt much sense, cause only stupid gyus plays in casino.
newbie
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 Smiley Nice Strategy, but house edge will catch you out at some point Sad
newbie
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Ermm so tried this with a script based on the method..and so far its not profitable..Care to show us a video of you profiting using this method?
sr. member
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Even when this should work and more people start using this the Dice sites will anticipate on this and change there Dice script.
That isnt how provably fair works
full member
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I played a while with a starting bet of 0.00025000.

Made 0.6000000 in under an hour.
member
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damn thanks to this i will try it let's see how it works Cheesy
it looks better than martingale tho
full member
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Ive been playing 1000 usually. Sometimes 2000, sometimes 500 (satoshis)

Ok thanks, will give your method a chance later, but I guess this will be pain in the ass to play manually, what kind of bot you're using?

Its just a simple bot I created using WinAutomation. Unless you have the program, you can't read the source... it's their own propriatary "waj" format. The only other option I can output is an EXE, which is what I use. It runs as a sidecar to chrome or firefox.

You can see if you can download a free trial, I could then post the source waj project file for you. (That way you can read it for your safety - as while my EXE is totally non-malicious I would never recommend using an EXE file from someone on a site like that where it could steal coins.

But long short of it is, you set your base, it rolls, and follows the rules. Add base to each bet until win, double 3 times, reset. Rather simple.

Its slow though, but I dont code js or c+ so my coding ability is limited in that sense.
full member
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Ive been playing 1000 usually. Sometimes 2000, sometimes 500 (satoshis)
full member
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This is the chart I created which shows the possible progression for the betting pattern.

If you look at the max loss vs payout, it can be a good way to play, and is also customizable, you could do 4x streaks, or even 5x. Depending on your bankroll.

3 seems to be the best overall for me, it has the least amount of up and down swings in balance.

I have run this with my bot starting at 100k satoshi a number of times, and a half day later the balance is 400k to 600k.

Here is the link to the chart:


hero member
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I will try this, at least it look better than martingale style

martingale strategy for dice is not good
you can't always profit for this strategy for the long time.
full member
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I think..strategies always loose at the long term..well technically its really like that due to house edge.
Indeed. It does not matter what 'strategy' you come up with, long term the house edge will always catch you.

Didn't the OP just said spare the "the house always have an edge" thing? Jeez.

Anyways, I tried this method. It honestly doesn't pay off at 45% (x2.2) imo. It brought me down to -23% of my bankroll just from the mere fact that it's harder to reach a 3 consecutive win streak. I had better payouts with martingale with x2.2. However, when I tried 49.5% (x2) it brought me back to +2 of my original bankroll. Of course it took a very long time but was worth it. Could've potentially have been at +25% if I went x2.

Just wanted to tell that it works! Well, to an extent, at least.

Yea of course duration of play in terms of rounds does come in to play, so you went down on 2.2; but you (and of course you know) could have come back up; as luck does fall into the equation.

Another variant you can try; is to play for 4 consecutive wins, or 5 consecutive wins.

At 2x payout (49.50% chance of win); your maximum loss per roll is limited to whatever you set your base bet at provided you play through to a win of X (number of consecutive wins) you decide on in the begining.

So if you say decide on a base of 10000 satoshi you could see a bet sequence to win as follows:

FOR A LOSING SEQUENCE AIMING FOR 4 WINS:

0.00010000 LOSE
0.00020000 LOSE
0.00030000 LOSE
0.00040000 LOSE
0.00050000 WIN     (AT WHICH POINT YOU HAVE ROLLED 5 ROLLS / NET P/L IS NOW -0.00050000   (0.00010000 PER ROLL)
0.00100000 WIN
0.00200000 WIN
0.00400000 LOSE   (EVEN THOUGH YOU HAVE LOST; YOU HAVE STILL ONLY RISKED AND LOST 0.00050000 YET PLAYED 9 ROLLS = LOSS OF LESS THAN 0.00006000 PER ROLL

NOW FOR A WINNING SEQUENCE:

0.00010000 LOSE
0.00020000 LOSE
0.00030000 WIN    (AT WHICH POINT YOU HAVE ROLLED 3 ROLLS / NET P/L IS NOW 0.00000000   (0.00000000 PER ROLL)
0.00060000 WIN
0.00120000 WIN
0.00240000 WIN   NET WIN:    +0.00420000

REGARDLESS; It doesnt matter how many losses you have before you hit your win streak; your maximum loss per roll is limited by this strategy to your base bet x # of rolls.

Martingale is too risky, a long loss streak wipes you out. But with this strategy, as long as you calculate a safe number of being able to hit some bad losing streaks in a row; as in losing 8x then 10x then 5x then 7x before hitting an actual win/reset- the payout is much higher.

For Martingale, to net 0.00420000 in profit, you have to win 42 martingale series runs; without doubling up every roll and busting out.

This works much better.

I built a bot that does the betting and calculating and resetting all on it's own. It works great and havent lost thus far (knock on wood).
newbie
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I think..strategies always loose at the long term..well technically its really like that due to house edge.
Indeed. It does not matter what 'strategy' you come up with, long term the house edge will always catch you.

Didn't the OP just said spare the "the house always have an edge" thing? Jeez.

Anyways, I tried this method. It honestly doesn't pay off at 45% (x2.2) imo. It brought me down to -23% of my bankroll just from the mere fact that it's harder to reach a 3 consecutive win streak. I had better payouts with martingale with x2.2. However, when I tried 49.5% (x2) it brought me back to +2 of my original bankroll. Of course it took a very long time but was worth it. Could've potentially have been at +25% if I went x2.

Just wanted to tell that it works! Well, to an extent, at least.
hero member
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I think..strategies always loose at the long term..well technically its really like that due to house edge.
Indeed. It does not matter what 'strategy' you come up with, long term the house edge will always catch you.
hero member
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I think..strategies always loose at the long term..well technically its really like that due to house edge.
full member
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So I created a chart in excel to better get an idea of how to use the payout factor correctly... I've been using 2.20 X and have doubled my bankroll in about 45 minutes using a small test amount and a small base bet under 20 satoshis.

Here is the chart (its a large jpg sorry lots of info).

I'll post a video showing gameplay as well. I scripted a small bot to automate the bets and just run automatically without me having to do anything. That was key. But yea so far... nice.

full member
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Interesting results on 3x payout with same betting pattern.

The bets meerly tread water and hold at the same amount... just waiting for a triple win. Just takes longer to hit 3 wins at 3x but losing streaks are nill.
full member
Activity: 149
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Even when this should work and more people start using this the Dice sites will anticipate on this and change there Dice script.

I could have swore they said the rolls were truly random and provably fair Wink

Yea basically you're simply shooting for any 3x streak of wins. Thats it. Roughly 12.5% odds. But a payout of 20x what martingale pays.

So 12.5% win chance with 15-30x payout on win.

or Martingale and get

50% chance on win and 1x payout.


This does work.  Of course yes, either 1 you hit a simply bad loss streak never gaining on 3 wins in a row over 1000s of bets, or the house simply says- yea I dont like this well give you the rolls we like.

But yea, so what the sites manipulate rolls is that what you are saying? Wink
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