Topic: SILENTARMY v5: Zcash miner, 115 sol/s on R9 Nano, 70 sol/s on GTX 1070 - page 13. (Read 209334 times)

The Stratix 10 MX is targeted at high-end switches and routers.  We're not talking about a $5 Lattice iCE...

a 1070 can do 220 sol but it's locked on nicehash, still around the same profit as mining zcash

if you want something cheap, the 1060 3gb can do 140 sol and it's $200, wattage should be around 60w(not sure i'm asking around about this as i don't have one)

Nvida is just too expensive you can now buy a 480 4gb for $179 and prices are just going lower
with vega comming in december , i have some 1070/ got them to play around with i love them but
i only get 120 sols or so and the cost me $400 each i can now get two 480s
for that that hash at 195 sols each at 130 watt

you have forgot the resale value which is huge for nvidia, a 1070 can be sold again at 80% of its retail price, so i'm not actually paying more in the end

also there is the 1060 which is cheaper and has a 140 sol/60watt ratio which is better than amd and price is there same as a 480 4gb

Currently, some AMD cards can hash at the same efficiency as this, at a fraction of the cost. Efficiency is only part of the game, if you are 15% more efficient, but cost 2-3x as much, you don't have an advantage.  Sure you could save the money in power in like 8 years (assuming all your cards last that long), but by then you are obsolete, and missed a huge opportunity to be mining twice as fast for 8 years, so still a loss. Also, what are specs that will mine  Nvidia at this rate, consuming that much at the wall?

I suppose it all comes down to the old adage of where the is a market for a product there is some to exploit it (just like the old snake old salesmen from back in the day).

I guess they hope those with little knowledge of mining will buy their wonder product to help to supposedly make them rich but in fact all they are doing is handing over large sums of money for something that isnt worth it in the long run.

FPGA Altera Intel Stratix 10 MX have HBM2 onboard with 1 TB/s
So it's not a big problem.

Sure it will not become a mass product like GPU, but ...
And the other question - cost.

 Known scammers that do NOT in fact have an ASIC for ETH.

 On the other hand, ZCash doesn't have a "pre-planned obsolete date" like ETH does so if it stays profitable enough it COULD attract the interest of one or more LEGITIMATE ASIC designers.

 The amount of RAM needed isn't prohibitive - but the algorythm's "lots of memory access limiting the speed" issue might limit the gains an ASIC can manage to the point it's not cost-effective enough to bother.


 I'm still a bit amazed that not just one, but *3* different ASIC showed up pretty close together for X11 a while back - that was a MUCH smaller market by the time the first one arrived than any other ASIC had ever been built for.

Since you want to use space metaphors: the black holes are created in the other galaxies. The smaller miners get to watch the black hole's beauty through their telescopes.

Anyways, we're drifting off topic. It was a legitimate question to the dev since his work benefits lots of smaller miners.
You don't have to have understand (or even agree with the question) in order for him to give his opinion.

Isn't just that what I meant?
If looking into your own cup and your profit makes you happy - then you are happy. This is simply narrowing your point of view and not caring about cosmic problems(like what if black hole opens in our solar system).
 

Legally, sure. However people do in fact have "trust" by the community that is built up with years of interaction.
Does that mean it will prevent anything malicious from occurring? No.
Does that mean it is less likely from anything malicious occurring? Yes.


That's where we disagree. If such effort is being put into a miner that wants to remain "free" for people to use, the net effect of that means that if it is kept "closed and still free", it means they get to stay profitable for longer.

Ok...glad you agree with me at some points. But I have to disagree on "Trusted source" note you've mentioned.
Do you have contract with Claymore? Do you by any chance know him in person?
Your definition of "trusted source" is legally absurd.  Finally if you squeeze your point of view to only a few positions it doesn't matter at all since "small miner" is happy with what he/she gets for what he/she gives.

Having it closed source isn't going to defer the functionality as the devs are adding it anyways.


As it's coming from a trusted source, that should be enough when combined with hashes to verify its the correct binary.
Look at Claymore's miners for example.


My view is: new opensource releases will be adopted faster by larger farms in an automated fashion, thereby putting smaller miners at a disadvantage.


I'm all for opensource (it's part of my profession) so I agree with your points on the positive aspects of open source.

As you wish.
Cons of CS miner.
1. Not having open source miner leaves small miners narrowed to use only closed source miners and what they offer.
2. Not knowing what's inside that closed source miner may put you and your system in a risk which depending on the person(company,farm) that created this miner may take advantage of your rig(small farm).
3. How about previous 2?
Pros of CS miner.
1. Big farms will hash exactly with your speed multiplied times your rig is capable of using same miner disassembled and probably optimized for certain ASIC/FPGA.

Cons of FOSS miner.
1. Big farms can use the code to optimize it for their systems/rigs and probably ASIC/FPGA.
Pros of FOSS miner.
1. Code is open and anyone with decent coding knowledge could see if there is maliscious stuff in it.
2. If you are brilliant coder you can port the code for your individual use as you like on any operating system you like.
3. COMMUNITY! Quantity + Quality. Or in other words "If you can see my big balls it really means they are big!"
4. How about previous 3?

And last but not least I am not mentioning DevFee anywhere because it's not important at all.
When you use someone's piece of work you should pay for it. Really doesn't matter the exact payment method (DevFee, One time purchase, Donation, etc...)
I think I covered most of what you're asking...

How fast is it? When do you plan to publish your work?

Yes, obviously you are seeing something I do not and unlike most people I don't assume I'm correct or call people idiots/crazy for having their own opinion.
So go ahead..

Are you really asking me that?

How exactly do small miners suffer?

These guys aren't getting what they say..the just have $$$ in mind and profit .soon there will be no miner anymore thank to those cashing guys.

Again and again...making closed source miners only brings hell on author's head. Private farms have the resources and coders to disassemble anything they want. From closed source miners the only who suffers is small miners...there is no point to release binary versions of the miner.