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Topic: Silk Road Founder Ross Ulbricht Sentenced to Life in Prison - page 11. (Read 50097 times)

legendary
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It is enough this that him be punished with lifetime in prison or not?  


It would be if he'd actually been tried for it and it had been proven. It didn't come up in the case at all. I've no idea what the truth is regarding that area but it seems a little strange that they didn't pursue it. Perhaps they felt they already had enough.

It is true who must not be? I read it from several sources since the times when Ross Ulbricht was arrested. Nob has no one interests to lie. And cannot be proved differently as it is already. It was something between Ulbricht and Nob. And in such situation it is normal that be Nob to be credible and not Ulbrich (if he denied this thing). Nob have no reason to lie. Ulbricht is a criminal. It is normal that him deny everything against it (always if deny something). Who would be more credible for you?

DA's lie, cops lie, special agents lie....they all lie!  I don't believe none of them!  This whole thing was wrong from inception to outcome on all sides, period!

Lol. "Agree" with you. Only Ross Ulbricht don't lie. He is not guilty for everything and must go ahead with its wonderful and necessary former activity. In this way all the people will feel free from every kind of lie and cheat made from every USA Authority. Long live to Ross Ulbricht, long live to drugs and every kind of such things, long live to the american freedom which allow such very needed things for every person..  Shocked
legendary
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It is enough this that him be punished with lifetime in prison or not?  


It would be if he'd actually been tried for it and it had been proven. It didn't come up in the case at all. I've no idea what the truth is regarding that area but it seems a little strange that they didn't pursue it. Perhaps they felt they already had enough.

It is true who must not be? I read it from several sources since the times when Ross Ulbricht was arrested. Nob has no one interests to lie. And cannot be proved differently as it is already. It was something between Ulbricht and Nob. And in such situation it is normal that be Nob to be credible and not Ulbrich (if he denied this thing). Nob have no reason to lie. Ulbricht is a criminal. It is normal that him deny everything against it (always if deny something). Who would be more credible for you?

DA's lie, cops lie, special agents lie....they all lie!  I don't believe none of them!  This whole thing was wrong from inception to outcome on all sides, period!
legendary
Activity: 1134
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It is enough this that him be punished with lifetime in prison or not? 


It would be if he'd actually been tried for it and it had been proven. It didn't come up in the case at all. I've no idea what the truth is regarding that area but it seems a little strange that they didn't pursue it. Perhaps they felt they already had enough.

It is true who must not be? I read it from several sources since the times when Ross Ulbricht was arrested. Nob has no one interests to lie. And cannot be proved differently as it is already. It was something between Ulbricht and Nob. And in such situation it is normal that be Nob to be credible and not Ulbrich (if he denied this thing). Nob have no reason to lie. Ulbricht is a criminal. It is normal that him deny everything against it (always if deny something). Who would be more credible for you?
legendary
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Khazad ai-menu!
Read this dialog:

Later that day, DPR messaged Nob.

DREAD:  ok, so can you change the order to execute rather than torture?

[...]

This dialog is taken from: The Untold Story of Silk Road. Who want to learn more can read here: http://www.wired.com/2015/04/silk-road-1/

It is enough this that him be punished with lifetime in prison or not? 


Not enough.  To be misquoted or libeled in any advertisers fishwrap is surely grounds for execution. 
legendary
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It is enough this that him be punished with lifetime in prison or not? 


It would be if he'd actually been tried for it and it had been proven. It didn't come up in the case at all. I've no idea what the truth is regarding that area but it seems a little strange that they didn't pursue it. Perhaps they felt they already had enough.
legendary
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Read this dialog:

Later that day, DPR messaged Nob.

DREAD:  ok, so can you change the order to execute rather than torture?

DREAD:  he was on the inside for a while, and now that he’s been arrested, I’m afraid he’ll give up info.

Of course, DPR was right that Green had been flipped—by the very same man he’d just hired as an assassin. It was a surprising escalation. The Silk Road leader, who waxed lyrical about “respecting” the Silk Road community, was now pondering pricing for murder.

DREAD:  never killed a man or had one killed before, but it is the right move in this case.

DREAD:  how much will it cost?

DREAD:  ballpark?

DREAD:  less than $100k?

DREAD:  have you killed or had someone killed before?


DPR is for Dread Pirate Roberts alias Ross Ulbright.

This dialog is taken from: The Untold Story of Silk Road. Who want to learn more can read here: http://www.wired.com/2015/04/silk-road-1/

In other words, Ross ask to someone to kill someone. Want to hire someone to kill someone. Paying for this.

It is enough this that him be punished with lifetime in prison or not? 
legendary
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The United states government likes to make an example out of these smart tech savvy kids. Federal prosecutors were really harsh with Aaron Swartz too.

This only happens in the United States and the European Union. Had Ross Ullbrich resided in either China or Russia, then the governments there would have asked him to join their cyber army, rather than locking him up for the rest of his life. What happened to Aaron Swartz was tragic. I hope that the people responsible for his death will die of cancer.
sr. member
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They are charged for different crimes and sentenced accordingly.
Yeah... "sentenced accordingly". It is obvious, isn't it? A Mexican drug lord, who is behind dozens of murders gets 20 or 30 years behind bars, and Ross Ullbricht, who didn't had any previous criminal record gets a life without parole. And the United States is going to have a mass murderer as its president after the 2016 elections (Hillary Clinton).
The United states government likes to make an example out of these smart tech savvy kids. Federal prosecutors were really harsh with Aaron Swartz too.
legendary
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They are charged for different crimes and sentenced accordingly.

Yeah... "sentenced accordingly". It is obvious, isn't it? A Mexican drug lord, who is behind dozens of murders gets 20 or 30 years behind bars, and Ross Ullbricht, who didn't had any previous criminal record gets a life without parole. And the United States is going to have a mass murderer as its president after the 2016 elections (Hillary Clinton).

Yeah, but Hillary Cunton didn't get anyone high. Besides Murrica loves murders. They have a big parade for them on Veterans Day.
legendary
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They are charged for different crimes and sentenced accordingly.

Yeah... "sentenced accordingly". It is obvious, isn't it? A Mexican drug lord, who is behind dozens of murders gets 20 or 30 years behind bars, and Ross Ullbricht, who didn't had any previous criminal record gets a life without parole. And the United States is going to have a mass murderer as its president after the 2016 elections (Hillary Clinton).
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legendary
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It quoted him as saying: “The problem with my father is that he’s not practical. He was always going to lose.”

That makes him an idealist not a master criminal or anyone who is danger to society.   He was treated like a political prisoner in a dictatorship

If anything Im more inclined to believe he was correct and this government can only enforce itself by threat and violence not by laws and standards of a democracy where any are free to peacefully protest
legendary
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Khazad ai-menu!

1) people doing consensual trading with no complaints from any party involved is not illegal
2) even if something illegal were taking place, providing a "platform" for said activity would not be illegal.  Otherwise, it's all technologists ever off to the chopping block.  Windows, Mac, IP, copper wires, qwerty design..   all guilty under your "platform" law.  


His intentions by creating SR (earning money with drug sales) has been pretty much proven. If the feds can prove, that Bill Gates had the intention to help druglords, criminials or pedophiles with his OS, than you are probably right, otherwise no. It is just like almost any "tool" that can turn into a weapon: It is the intention that counts.

I am not talking about these old fashioned drug laws in general, which btw should be updated/deleted. I am refering to the fact, that everybody should know their country laws and act accordingly. If selling drugs" is illegal in your country and you still want to profit from that, this is not a problem of the law, but your very own decision to take the risk of getting arrested.


Everyone with a blue chip index fund wants to make money with drug sales, so yeah Bill Gates is in there too.  I'm not sure what your point is there.  Merck and Pfizer and RJ Reynolds et al. are surely a more negative on people's health than what small time SR dealers peddled but hey that's not really relevant.  Sure, know whatever some orcs might claim is your country/western laws, to the extent that it will help you avoid them.  And stay out of their way, I'm with you on that advice too.  But also, stop breeding the damn orcs how about that eh?  Their behavior is indefensible. 

 

sr. member
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How does dea agent carl mark force get up to 7 years and dpr gets life....he should be retryed

They are charged for different crimes and sentenced accordingly.
AGD
legendary
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This is what justice is? Ulbricht gets sentenced to life for being innovative and an entrepreneur. He could also have committed some crimes, but those wouldn't be enough to jail him for life. as for Carl Force, he gets to have only 78 months from stealing, extortion, money laundering and obstruction of justice.
Call it Justice call it what you will...


If Ultricht does not provide a platform for illegal trading, he will be fine.

1) people doing consensual trading with no complaints from any party involved is not illegal
2) even if something illegal were taking place, providing a "platform" for said activity would not be illegal.  Otherwise, it's all technologists ever off to the chopping block.  Windows, Mac, IP, copper wires, qwerty design..   all guilty under your "platform" law.  



His intentions by creating SR (earning money with drug sales) has been pretty much proven. If the feds can prove, that Bill Gates had the intention to help druglords, criminials or pedophiles with his OS, than you are probably right, otherwise no. It is just like almost any "tool" that can turn into a weapon: It is the intention that counts.

I am not talking about these old fashioned drug laws in general, which btw should be updated/deleted. I am refering to the fact, that everybody should know their country laws and act accordingly. If "selling drugs" is illegal in your country and you still want to profit from that, this is not a problem of the law, but your very own decision to take the risk of getting arrested.
donator
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How does dea agent carl mark force get up to 7 years and dpr gets life....

I'll assume this is a rhetorical question, as the answer is quite obvious.
newbie
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How does dea agent carl mark force get up to 7 years and dpr gets life....he should be retryed
legendary
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Welt Am Draht

That's a sordid tale. However there comes a time when principle is worth toning down for the sake of a quieter life.


By 1980, he had been urging his father “to cease what he saw as futile resistance,” the monthly journal The American Conservative reported in October 2009.

“He admits today that he finds Irwin’s intellectual case compelling,” the journal added, “but is completely disinclined to imitate his father’s radical methods or his idealism.”

It quoted him as saying: “The problem with my father is that he’s not practical. He was always going to lose.”
legendary
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Khazad ai-menu!
This is what justice is? Ulbricht gets sentenced to life for being innovative and an entrepreneur. He could also have committed some crimes, but those wouldn't be enough to jail him for life. as for Carl Force, he gets to have only 78 months from stealing, extortion, money laundering and obstruction of justice.
Call it Justice call it what you will...


If Ultricht does not provide a platform for illegal trading, he will be fine.

1) people doing consensual trading with no complaints from any party involved is not illegal
2) even if something illegal were taking place, providing a "platform" for said activity would not be illegal.  Otherwise, it's all technologists ever off to the chopping block.  Windows, Mac, IP, copper wires, qwerty design..   all guilty under your "platform" law.  

sr. member
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This is what justice is? Ulbricht gets sentenced to life for being innovative and an entrepreneur. He could also have committed some crimes, but those wouldn't be enough to jail him for life. as for Carl Force, he gets to have only 78 months from stealing, extortion, money laundering and obstruction of justice.
Call it Justice call it what you will...


If Ultricht does not provide a platform for illegal trading, he will be fine.
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