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Topic: Silk Road Founder Ross Ulbricht Sentenced to Life in Prison - page 15. (Read 50152 times)

legendary
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Consider that the court has ruled that illegal aliens have 2nd Amendment rights. How could they rule such except to state that people are outside the formal laws if they don't harm anyone or damage his property?

https://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/182492-2015-08-30-court-rules-that-illegal-aliens-have-second-amendment-rights.htm

http://www.prisonplanet.com/court-rules-that-illegal-aliens-have-second-amendment-rights.html

The Constitution was written before all the laws that followed it. Nowhere in the Constitution or its preamble is the authority of the writers or anybody else placed under the Constitution or the laws that flow out of it.

The point is this. When there is no harm or damage done by a human being, the courts and government do NOT have authority over the human being, except that he/she (usually out of ignorance) allows them to have authority over them.

There are hundreds of thousands of people in prison simply because of their own ignorance about this. And they remain there because they simply don't have the knowledge of how to get themselves out by going back to foundational law found in the 6th, 7th, and 9th Amendments.

Smiley
legendary
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If he was such a genius he wouldn't be sitting in a jail cell right now.
Living in a Jail or in your House have nothing to do with being a genius or not. As I said, Socrates and Galileo were behind steel bars too and they were genius for sure.

That's true. I'd rather be a free idiot than a genius behind bars.

The difference with Ross is, he knew for sure that he was butting heads with the legal system. If Ross were a genius, he would have used that knowledge to keep himself out of trouble.

I haven't been keeping up with his current status, but if he isn't out, or on the way out, he certainly isn't a genius. After all, his accuser the plaintiff never faced him by taking the stand in court, a basic requirement of law, except if one doesn't require it.

I'd say Ross wasn't a genius at all, except if this is all a show to slander Bitcoin, and Ross is part of the show intentionally.

Smiley

This was not a civil case, therefore there is no plaintiff (it is not J Smith v Ulbricht). This was a criminal case, and therefore the moving party was the government, or to be more specific the DOJ (US v Ulbricht). Whether or not the DOJ met their burden of proof (beyond a reasonable doubt) can be argued, but you can't sit here and say nobody took the stand against him in court because that is not true. The DOJ had witnesses and those witnesses testified. Again, whether the DOJ proved the accusations beyond a reasonable doubt can be argued, but there certainly were people who took the stand to testify for the government.
I agree with several of the posts above. Personally, I think they proved their case, but I think the sentence imposed by the judge was a harsh statement that did not fit the crime. Ulbricht's best appeal will be based on the 4th amendment

This is an important thing that people don't understand about law. You can bring your civil (7th Amendment requirement for a common law trial) case right inside and on top of any criminal complaint that is brought against you. When you do this, your claim must be heard before the complaint brought against you. Since in a case like this, you have plenty of time to file your notices with the court clerk well in advance of any trial, the trial may essentially be done long before the court date.

So, what would you do in your claim? You would require any person that you have harmed or injured to come forward and state the damages so that you can compensate him for the damages. He must come forward in a court of record (common law court), take the oath, get on the stand and testify, express the harm and/or injury, provide evidence that and a witness that verify it was you that did the harm or injury, and if someone shows up, bring it before a jury.

Now, Ross is way too dumb to know this. Other Americans are as well. But the people are waking up. Google and Youtube "Karl Lentz" and "Bill Thornton" and "Richard Cornforth" to find out what this is all about and how it can be done in every government case against a human being.

Smiley
newbie
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If he was such a genius he wouldn't be sitting in a jail cell right now.
Living in a Jail or in your House have nothing to do with being a genius or not. As I said, Socrates and Galileo were behind steel bars too and they were genius for sure.

That's true. I'd rather be a free idiot than a genius behind bars.

The difference with Ross is, he knew for sure that he was butting heads with the legal system. If Ross were a genius, he would have used that knowledge to keep himself out of trouble.

I haven't been keeping up with his current status, but if he isn't out, or on the way out, he certainly isn't a genius. After all, his accuser the plaintiff never faced him by taking the stand in court, a basic requirement of law, except if one doesn't require it.

I'd say Ross wasn't a genius at all, except if this is all a show to slander Bitcoin, and Ross is part of the show intentionally.

Smiley

This was not a civil case, therefore there is no plaintiff (it is not J Smith v Ulbricht). This was a criminal case, and therefore the moving party was the government, or to be more specific the DOJ (US v Ulbricht). Whether or not the DOJ met their burden of proof (beyond a reasonable doubt) can be argued, but you can't sit here and say nobody took the stand against him in court because that is not true. The DOJ had witnesses and those witnesses testified. Again, whether the DOJ proved the accusations beyond a reasonable doubt can be argued, but there certainly were people who took the stand to testify for the government.
I agree with several of the posts above. Personally, I think they proved their case, but I think the sentence imposed by the judge was a harsh statement that did not fit the crime. Ulbricht's best appeal will be based on the 4th amendment
legendary
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If he was such a genius he wouldn't be sitting in a jail cell right now.
Living in a Jail or in your House have nothing to do with being a genius or not. As I said, Socrates and Galileo were behind steel bars too and they were genius for sure.

That's true. I'd rather be a free idiot than a genius behind bars.

The difference with Ross is, he knew for sure that he was butting heads with the legal system. If Ross were a genius, he would have used that knowledge to keep himself out of trouble.

I haven't been keeping up with his current status, but if he isn't out, or on the way out, he certainly isn't a genius. After all, his accuser the plaintiff never faced him by taking the stand in court, a basic requirement of law, except if one doesn't require it.

I'd say Ross wasn't a genius at all, except if this is all a show to slander Bitcoin, and Ross is part of the show intentionally.

Smiley
legendary
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You lead and I'll watch you walk away.
If he was such a genius he wouldn't be sitting in a jail cell right now.
Living in a Jail or in your House have nothing to do with being a genius or not. As I said, Socrates and Galileo were behind steel bars too and they were genius for sure.

That's true. I'd rather be a free idiot than a genius behind bars.
sr. member
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Do they still have him separated from the general population? Does he at least get to pump iron there? He was pretty skinny from what I remember.
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Salí para ver
If he was such a genius he wouldn't be sitting in a jail cell right now.
Living in a Jail or in your House have nothing to do with being a genius or not. As I said, Socrates and Galileo were behind steel bars too and they were genius for sure.
member
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Life in prison without the possibility of parole... Meanwhile cops are murdering our citizens at an alarming rate and not even being charged. The United States of America, Sad to say this is my country.

The state will always be on the side of employees of the executive branch.
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This guy is a genius. Just like those persons that the church killed back in the day, in the future this will be seen like the death of socrates.

If he was such a genius he wouldn't be sitting in a jail cell right now. I admire what he did to some extent, but not his stupidity. He did a lot for bitcoin though and that shouldn't be forgotten but I think the whole thing went to his head.
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This guy is a genius. Just like those persons that the church killed back in the day, in the future this will be seen like the death of socrates.
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I don't disagree that the war on drugs is stupid and utterly futile, but Ross is still a criminal in the eyes of the law with money laundering and facilitating the sale of drugs etc

That may be true but lots of people are criminals in the eyes of the law but that doesn't mean the laws aren't wrong and they should be changed. Why can American presidents get away with war crimes and murder but nothing happens to them?
legendary
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I don't disagree that the war on drugs is stupid and utterly futile, but Ross is still a criminal in the eyes of the law with money laundering and facilitating the sale of drugs etc
donator
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Let's talk governance, lipstick, and pigs.
I'm sure he's missing Eve Online. He was a long time regular in Aridia.
STT
legendary
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Life in Prison as to being worse than death, it really depends on his mind set. On one hand, he's still alive, but not free. After a term of institutionalization, it becomes an everyday way of life

CNN did a quite sympathic cover on this with his family making the basic point that the punishment outweighed any personal involvement he had in the trade.    Im not sure how guilty he is but I'd guess 10 to 15 years as a normal punitive sentence.   No violence was involved by him I believe, bank robbers with shotguns fired would get like 20 ?

He is basically a victim of a over developed government with no limitations on its spending or accountability to its actions it seems.  His best hope is the government goes broke or defaults and a radical change to the current big gov thinking comes about.   No localised system of justice would require someone like him to die after decades in prison, he is a political pawn.

USA is not isolated in this kind of thing, I believe its relatable news that a citizen was fined for photographing a police car and complaining on facebook about their parking.  This is considered a crime of citizen persecution of government or some weird thinking.  My take, Ulbricht upset the gods and they are wrathful lol  his appeal is not likely to succeed in mitigating that effect but if they even cut it to 40 years that'd be something

https://www.fbi.gov/baltimore/press-releases/2009/ba121109a.htm

Im no way trying to defend him, I think he was an idiot but his sentence is more to do with the system then him personally
legendary
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Life in Prison as to being worse than death, it really depends on his mind set. On one hand, he's still alive, but not free. After a term of institutionalization, it becomes an everyday way of life

I'm sure you could get used to the routine after a while.

Wake up and eat then suck a few cocks.

Be bored your cage for a few hours.

Have lunch then suck a few cocks with a side of ass rape.

Go to the yard for a while and get the shit beat out of you then suck a few cocks.

Be bored in your cage a few hours.

Eat dinner then get raped in the shower.

Be bored in your cage for a few hours.

Cry yourself to sleep bleeding and sore.

Dream about killing yourself.



How is that any different than having to read bitcointalk?


i worry about who's teaching you to read  Shocked
legendary
Activity: 2156
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You lead and I'll watch you walk away.
Life in Prison as to being worse than death, it really depends on his mind set. On one hand, he's still alive, but not free. After a term of institutionalization, it becomes an everyday way of life

I'm sure you could get used to the routine after a while.

Wake up and eat then suck a few cocks.

Be bored your cage for a few hours.

Have lunch then suck a few cocks with a side of ass rape.

Go to the yard for a while and get the shit beat out of you then suck a few cocks.

Be bored in your cage a few hours.

Eat dinner then get raped in the shower.

Be bored in your cage for a few hours.

Cry yourself to sleep bleeding and sore.

Dream about killing yourself.



How is that any different than having to read bitcointalk?

Yeah, I get your point.
donator
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Let's talk governance, lipstick, and pigs.
Life in Prison as to being worse than death, it really depends on his mind set. On one hand, he's still alive, but not free. After a term of institutionalization, it becomes an everyday way of life

I'm sure you could get used to the routine after a while.

Wake up and eat then suck a few cocks.

Be bored your cage for a few hours.

Have lunch then suck a few cocks with a side of ass rape.

Go to the yard for a while and get the shit beat out of you then suck a few cocks.

Be bored in your cage a few hours.

Eat dinner then get raped in the shower.

Be bored in your cage for a few hours.

Cry yourself to sleep bleeding and sore.

Dream about killing yourself.



How is that any different than having to read bitcointalk?
legendary
Activity: 2156
Merit: 1393
You lead and I'll watch you walk away.
Life in Prison as to being worse than death, it really depends on his mind set. On one hand, he's still alive, but not free. After a term of institutionalization, it becomes an everyday way of life

I'm sure you could get used to the routine after a while.

Wake up and eat then suck a few cocks.

Be bored your cage for a few hours.

Have lunch then suck a few cocks with a side of ass rape.

Go to the yard for a while and get the shit beat out of you then suck a few cocks.

Be bored in your cage a few hours.

Eat dinner then get raped in the shower.

Be bored in your cage for a few hours.

Cry yourself to sleep bleeding and sore.

Dream about killing yourself.


full member
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Life in Prison as to being worse than death, it really depends on his mind set. On one hand, he's still alive, but not free. After a term of institutionalization, it becomes an everyday way of life
legendary
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Ross William Ulbricht, legendary creator of the original darknet market The Silk Road, has been sentenced today in federal prison to Life in Prison.

Can he appeal to the higher court ?

There will definitely be appeals.

The sentence is so harsh, because they want to make an example out of him. Only the government can sell drugs and murder people that cause problems.


what this guy said x 1000
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