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Quote from: masulum on December 18, 2023, 07:29:26 AM

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what differentiates the most between the demo and real versions is emotion. because the money used in each bet is not the money we have. It's just virtual money for playing in the demo. When he in a real game, apart from finding it difficult to win, emotional stress which can be unstable for each person can influence the desire to place a bet. especially when he have been waiting for free spins, but he can't get a single free spins until his balance runs out.

Yeah, the actual odds and mechanics of the game should be the same in both cases.

But as you mentioned, the emotion that the gambler feels is way different when playing with real money.

When the gambler just wins "fake points" then nothing really exciting happens, if anything the gambler would be annoyed that he didn't play with real money.

And when they lose those "fake points" then also nothing happens because the gambler doesn't feel the loss of real money.

In the end, if it was the same, most gamblers would simply play with "fake points", but in reality it is the idea of getting rich that makes gambling interesting.

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Quote from: the rise on December 18, 2023, 04:00:54 AM

why are you telling the truth, when playing slots at the beginning which is relaxing, step by step emotions will increase whether you are experiencing defeat or winning, and finally you raise your bet and everything runs out and you close the device, then imagine winning and the thing repeats itself again.

But now I can anticipate it I mean when I win big then I will move to another game we must realize the game will not give a continuous wins so when the game gives it once, we have to stop or move right? almost all of us understand about the theory but failed in practice Grin

Oh yah, I just tried the new game Candy Jar Clusters from 10 times the experiment only won once for me this is a bad game as a new game, he didn't even welcome me well, but it's normal because this game offers high multiplier up to10000 I don't advise you to try it unless you are ready to lose and sometimes the luck of each player is different.

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Quote from: panjul07 on December 18, 2023, 08:27:14 AM

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Quote from: panjul07 on December 17, 2023, 03:11:28 PM

Quote from: dansus021 on December 17, 2023, 07:16:59 AM

btw back to demo, the pragmatic gives 100K and I bet around 240$ per spin. try it auto with 6 spins I already earn 5.6K and i don't know why in the demo I always win

That's the magic of demo game, most of the time we will win while playing it which is something reasonable as it is part of how the provider want to attract players.
While on the other side, when we are playing it with real money, it is harder to win unless we are so lucky to hit nice multiplier in several spins only.

Not entirely true though, I tried demo games on different slots provider but not all of them give bonus round that easy, I tried some demo games on new released slots but it gives me a hard time triggering bonus round.

We are not talking about how often triggering bonus round in demo mode vs real mode, it is more about the RTP.
To make it sure, you need to compare like playing 100-200 spins in demo mode vs 100-200 spins in real mode.
Although it is just small size of sample, but I think you will find the difference, which one give you better return.
There is no proof that the RTP in demo mode is bigger than real mode, but I believe most people agree that demo mode gives better result than real mode most of the time.

Oh I don't know guys I Tried Directly start demon in stake.com and the pragmatic website both give me big win. even my friend tried it too. maybe the only reason is like @panjul07 said that is because demo account or like @mu_enrico said that maybe we can get easy profit with 100K balance

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I believe the RTP is the same between demo and real mode... The big difference is the user's balance. It's way easier to profit if you have a $100K balance compared to, let's say, $100 in real play. For example, after I lost 10 times buying bonuses @$20 in the demo, I'd start buying with @$100, and so on, after that, I would 99% end up in profit before I got tired—the 1% of the time I left the game not because of I wasted all my balance, but simply got bored/tired. But keep in mind your profit will be small, compared to your $100k balance.

The same scenario can be applied when you, let's say, deposit IDR 2 million and do IDR 20K bonus buys. It's easier to get small profits because you can do enough spin to feel the volatility.

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Quote from: BitcoinPanther on December 17, 2023, 04:05:26 PM

Quote from: panjul07 on December 17, 2023, 03:11:28 PM

Quote from: dansus021 on December 17, 2023, 07:16:59 AM

btw back to demo, the pragmatic gives 100K and I bet around 240$ per spin. try it auto with 6 spins I already earn 5.6K and i don't know why in the demo I always win

That's the magic of demo game, most of the time we will win while playing it which is something reasonable as it is part of how the provider want to attract players.
While on the other side, when we are playing it with real money, it is harder to win unless we are so lucky to hit nice multiplier in several spins only.

Not entirely true though, I tried demo games on different slots provider but not all of them give bonus round that easy, I tried some demo games on new released slots but it gives me a hard time triggering bonus round.

We are not talking about how often triggering bonus round in demo mode vs real mode, it is more about the RTP.
To make it sure, you need to compare like playing 100-200 spins in demo mode vs 100-200 spins in real mode.
Although it is just small size of sample, but I think you will find the difference, which one give you better return.
There is no proof that the RTP in demo mode is bigger than real mode, but I believe most people agree that demo mode gives better result than real mode most of the time.

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Quote from: swogerino on December 18, 2023, 01:03:14 AM

No matter how big you in a demo there is a huge difference if you want to win it in the real game.I found it funny that when I used to play Viking Forge game not that long ago in the demo it gave me straight away two big wins,one over x1000 and one over x6000 while in the real game only after playing hours and hours it finally gave an x1342 multiplier which was not enough to justify all my loses of before,that is why I think the same as you guys the demo is only there to make you kill time when you are bored and also win a game in order to trick you to go to real mode.

what differentiates the most between the demo and real versions is emotion. because the money used in each bet is not the money we have. It's just virtual money for playing in the demo. When he in a real game, apart from finding it difficult to win, emotional stress which can be unstable for each person can influence the desire to place a bet. especially when he have been waiting for free spins, but he can't get a single free spins until his balance runs out.

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Quote from: dansus021 on December 17, 2023, 07:16:59 AM

So there is a strategy to do slots Cheesy

Yesterday I just tried a new game from the pragmatic you know companies always find a new way to create a new game and yesterday there was a truck and a car in a neighboring city that had a pragmatic play sticker on it. Grin

and that is a lit

btw back to demo, the pragmatic gives 100K and I bet around 240$ per spin. try it auto with 6 spins I already earn 5.6K and i don't know why in the demo I always win

There is always a way to encourage you to keep playing one of them is by giving you a win when playing demo or when you are bored of playing all these games then they will provide you with new games basically there is always a way Tongue

2 days ago I played the Buffalo Megaways game you know this game gives me high multipliers on the first buy feature almost 1/2 of max win unfortunately my base bet is low, only 200 IDR so that's what drives me to keep buying features, instantly I thought why not increase the base bet, right? we can predict the ending I lost all my winnings and deposit and what's more annoying is that Me, you and others are still repeating it Cheesy

I'm not a gambling addict just a small player and I just want to know how the casino attracts me

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why are you telling the truth, when playing slots at the beginning which is relaxing, step by step emotions will increase whether you are experiencing defeat or winning, and finally you raise your bet and everything runs out and you close the device, then imagine winning and the thing repeats itself again.

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No matter how big you in a demo there is a huge difference if you want to win it in the real game.I found it funny that when I used to play Viking Forge game not that long ago in the demo it gave me straight away two big wins,one over x1000 and one over x6000 while in the real game only after playing hours and hours it finally gave an x1342 multiplier which was not enough to justify all my loses of before,that is why I think the same as you guys the demo is only there to make you kill time when you are bored and also win a game in order to trick you to go to real mode.

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Quote from: dansus021 on December 17, 2023, 07:16:59 AM

So there is a strategy to do slots Cheesy

Yesterday I just tried a new game from the pragmatic you know companies always find a new way to create a new game and yesterday there was a truck and a car in a neighboring city that had a pragmatic play sticker on it. Grin

and that is a lit

btw back to demo, the pragmatic gives 100K and I bet around 240$ per spin. try it auto with 6 spins I already earn 5.6K and i don't know why in the demo I always win

There is always a way to encourage you to keep playing one of them is by giving you a win when playing demo or when you are bored of playing all these games then they will provide you with new games basically there is always a way Tongue

2 days ago I played the Buffalo Megaways game you know this game gives me high multipliers on the first buy feature almost 1/2 of max win unfortunately my base bet is low, only 200 IDR so that's what drives me to keep buying features, instantly I thought why not increase the base bet, right? we can predict the ending I lost all my winnings and deposit and what's more annoying is that Me, you and others are still repeating it Cheesy

I'm not a gambling addict just a small player and I just want to know how the casino attracts me

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Quote from: panjul07 on December 17, 2023, 03:11:28 PM

That's the magic of demo game, most of the time we will win while playing it which is something reasonable as it is part of how the provider want to attract players.
While on the other side, when we are playing it with real money, it is harder to win unless we are so lucky to hit nice multiplier in several spins only.

It is bro

I played it their website of pragmatic play and I don't know how much they set the win rate for user. But I Always win can you image 6 spin and I get 5K if those are real money I definitely going to Withdraw it and having some fun in real life.

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Quote from: panjul07 on December 17, 2023, 03:11:28 PM

Quote from: dansus021 on December 17, 2023, 07:16:59 AM

btw back to demo, the pragmatic gives 100K and I bet around 240$ per spin. try it auto with 6 spins I already earn 5.6K and i don't know why in the demo I always win

That's the magic of demo game, most of the time we will win while playing it which is something reasonable as it is part of how the provider want to attract players.
While on the other side, when we are playing it with real money, it is harder to win unless we are so lucky to hit nice multiplier in several spins only.

Not entirely true though, I tried demo games on different slots provider but not all of them give bonus round that easy, I tried some demo games on new released slots but it gives me a hard time triggering bonus round.

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Quote from: mu_enrico on December 10, 2023, 06:19:05 AM

Quote from: rafaloko on December 10, 2023, 06:09:12 AM

Look at this situation: I am playing a certain slot with 0.50$ stake, next spin would pay 10x.... but what happens if i increase/decrease stake before that spin that was supposed to pay 10x??

There's no way you can predict that the next spin would yield a 10x win. Each spin is random and independent of each other.
In the case of the slot having progressive mechanics like collecting wild (for example Bronco Spirit etc.), you'll lose progression after you change your base bet.

If the progression isn't lost after changing the base bet, tell us here mate what the title is so we can taste the sweet glitch Grin

I'm interested in this progression thing. I was playing Candy Jar Clusters by Pragmatic Play the other day, and I'd noticed that there were these jars to the right of the reels

collecting balls/candies like this

and I mistakenly thought that when the jar is full you are immediately getting free spins or something. But when nothing like that happened, and I kept playing and adding new balls to the full jars, I think I've figured out what the progression is. With collecting balls you are just increasing your chance of getting free spins from, say, 0.1% to 0.2%. Your chance is still very slim, but it's true that it keeps increasing with every new ball collected.

What do you guys think?

I look for this game and read that there is 3 types of bonuses in this game, that may appear wherein one bonus round may trigger the three features depending on what kind of candy appears that triggers the bonus round. It was stated that the appearance of the candy may randomly trigger the bonus round, meaning even if candy appears, the player may not trigger the bonus round.

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In the base game, 3 types of bonus candies may appear. When the yellow candy hits, it is collected in the jar marked Wild, the red candy is collected by the jar marked Free Spins, and the green candy is collected in the jar marked Jackpots. Whenever a candy is collected, it may randomly trigger 10 free spins - 1, 2, or 3 modifiers may trigger with free spins at the same time:

I tried this in demo games and I see it very interesting since one can trigger and claim jackpots simultaneously while in bonus round.

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Quote from: dansus021 on December 17, 2023, 07:16:59 AM

btw back to demo, the pragmatic gives 100K and I bet around 240$ per spin. try it auto with 6 spins I already earn 5.6K and i don't know why in the demo I always win

That's the magic of demo game, most of the time we will win while playing it which is something reasonable as it is part of how the provider want to attract players.
While on the other side, when we are playing it with real money, it is harder to win unless we are so lucky to hit nice multiplier in several spins only.

Quote from: mu_enrico on December 17, 2023, 06:27:35 AM

From the info (i) section, it's clear that there's no such progression... the jar is only for cosmetics since the feature spin will be triggered randomly upon the collection of the candies.

This type of free spins/bonus game which is triggered randomly without scatters is game that I dont like.
Although maybe the probability to trigger free spins with scatter symbol is the same as the one randomly without scatter but I feel that the one with scatter is better.

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So there is a strategy to do slots Cheesy

Yesterday I just tried a new game from the pragmatic you know companies always find a new way to create a new game and yesterday there was a truck and a car in a neighboring city that had a pragmatic play sticker on it. Grin

and that is a lit

btw back to demo, the pragmatic gives 100K and I bet around 240$ per spin. try it auto with 6 spins I already earn 5.6K and i don't know why in the demo I always win

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Quote from: Betwrong on December 17, 2023, 03:51:54 AM

and I mistakenly thought that when the jar is full you are immediately getting free spins or something. But when nothing like that happened, and I kept playing and adding new balls to the full jars, I think I've figured out what the progression is. With collecting balls you are just increasing your chance of getting free spins from, say, 0.1% to 0.2%. Your chance is still very slim, but it's true that it keeps increasing with every new ball collected.

From the info (i) section, it's clear that there's no such progression... the jar is only for cosmetics since the feature spin will be triggered randomly upon the collection of the candies. IMO this cosmetic thingy is like the Caishen series when the pot keeps getting filled when you collect wild symbols, but by no means it will increase the chance of triggering feature spins. Thus, you get this feeling of a 0.1% to 0.2% increase in probability simply because you are playing more and longer. I mean it's like a gambling fallacy when you feel that you'll trigger the feature spin if you keep playing...

If the candy jar is used in progression mechanics, it will 100% reset after you change your base bet.

Quote from: panjul07 on December 12, 2023, 12:21:39 PM

The same may happen in game like Razor Shark may also change the game especially when we get seaweed symbols on the reels.
Lets say we are betting 0.2 earlier and get some seaweed symbols on the top of few reels which is a good sign that there will be higher chance to win something.
But if we increased or even reduced the bet size, the game will be reset and the seaweed symbol will gone.

Yep the progression will reset, otherwise, we will up the stake Grin

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Quote from: mu_enrico on December 10, 2023, 06:19:05 AM

Quote from: rafaloko on December 10, 2023, 06:09:12 AM

Look at this situation: I am playing a certain slot with 0.50$ stake, next spin would pay 10x.... but what happens if i increase/decrease stake before that spin that was supposed to pay 10x??

There's no way you can predict that the next spin would yield a 10x win. Each spin is random and independent of each other.
In the case of the slot having progressive mechanics like collecting wild (for example Bronco Spirit etc.), you'll lose progression after you change your base bet.

If the progression isn't lost after changing the base bet, tell us here mate what the title is so we can taste the sweet glitch Grin

I'm interested in this progression thing. I was playing Candy Jar Clusters by Pragmatic Play the other day, and I'd noticed that there were these jars to the right of the reels

collecting balls/candies like this

and I mistakenly thought that when the jar is full you are immediately getting free spins or something. But when nothing like that happened, and I kept playing and adding new balls to the full jars, I think I've figured out what the progression is. With collecting balls you are just increasing your chance of getting free spins from, say, 0.1% to 0.2%. Your chance is still very slim, but it's true that it keeps increasing with every new ball collected.

What do you guys think?

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Quote from: Hirose UK on December 03, 2023, 07:45:32 AM

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Yes, that the only advantage of VPN and some people think VPN can influence the results. When you first read a statement like that, it little surprising and little funny because what is being said is just myth that can't be trusted.
I once used VPN on site that was difficult for me to access using the IP address on the PC I was using and tried using VPN by first asking for solutions and opinions from the support team so that I could access it using VPN.
Returning to the discussion regarding using VPN, when I play slots, I can only access one provider, namely Pragmatic, and other providers cannot be accessed using VPN.
It can be concluded that the use of VPN also cannot expand in playing because for other providers we are more limited.

And what you say is true and that is how slots work where everything is set by random system or what can be called RNG and this kind of algorithm can only be beaten with luck.

Yeah, casinos need to ensure they only provide services to the people from countries they are legally allowed to.

People with VPNs cannot easily be traced to their original country, so it's hard for casinos to enforce their rules.

In the end, it's risky to use a VPN because if you win big they might actually do a check and if found that you used a VPN, especially from a country where they cannot provide the service, then you will be out of luck and get no money. And they would be allowed to do that.

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Quote from: mu_enrico on December 10, 2023, 06:19:05 AM

Quote from: rafaloko on December 10, 2023, 06:09:12 AM

Look at this situation: I am playing a certain slot with 0.50$ stake, next spin would pay 10x.... but what happens if i increase/decrease stake before that spin that was supposed to pay 10x??

There's no way you can predict that the next spin would yield a 10x win. Each spin is random and independent of each other.
In the case of the slot having progressive mechanics like collecting wild (for example Bronco Spirit etc.), you'll lose progression after you change your base bet.

If the progression isn't lost after changing the base bet, tell us here mate what the title is so we can taste the sweet glitch Grin

The same may happen in game like Razor Shark may also change the game especially when we get seaweed symbols on the reels.
Lets say we are betting 0.2 earlier and get some seaweed symbols on the top of few reels which is a good sign that there will be higher chance to win something.
But if we increased or even reduced the bet size, the game will be reset and the seaweed symbol will gone.
I'm not sure if there is a connection between betsize and the RTP, but I dont think that changing betsize will affect the RTP.

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Quote from: rafaloko on December 10, 2023, 06:09:12 AM

Look at this situation: I am playing a certain slot with 0.50$ stake, next spin would pay 10x.... but what happens if i increase/decrease stake before that spin that was supposed to pay 10x??

There's no way you can predict that the next spin would yield a 10x win. Each spin is random and independent of each other.
In the case of the slot having progressive mechanics like collecting wild (for example Bronco Spirit etc.), you'll lose progression after you change your base bet.

If the progression isn't lost after changing the base bet, tell us here mate what the title is so we can taste the sweet glitch Grin

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Hello guys... i have a question about slots.

Look at this situation: I am playing a certain slot with 0.50$ stake, next spin would pay 10x.... but what happens if i increase/decrease stake before that spin that was supposed to pay 10x??

So basically, i am asking if changing stake size affects payout or given RTP at that time..

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Quote from: roycilik on December 03, 2023, 09:47:58 AM

Does anyone miss me? LOL
It's been a long time since I played Gates Of Olympus, just try it at sherbet.com, and owh no need for the bonus round, just a base spin Grin

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Holy Mother of God!

570x of your bet just through a base spin? No bonus round, no nothing? Congrats, mate! $570 is a big money in any part of the world!

I went to play Gates Of Olympus rigth away after seeing yor post. And with my very first spin I got 3 scatters

but you need 4 for a bonus round in this game.

And in my next spin I got a Tumble win

and it was more than 10x of my bet, but it's incomparable to yours. Congrats again!

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