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Quote from: Bitinity on September 23, 2023, 06:26:43 PM

currently I spend most of my money to rebuild my small business

You are on the right track mate, you know which ones to prioritize and gambling is part of entertainment so you have every reason to ignore it. Keep going Cool

Quote from: mu_enrico on September 24, 2023, 07:54:03 AM

Hahaha, I spent all day doing bonus buys. Luckily, I could withdraw a few million IDR at the end.
Got many <300x results as well which is not worth sharing :p
Nice replay btw with an insane x500 hits. Wish you luck for the hunt! Grin

You know the formula for gambling, right? the longer you play, the greater your chance of losing Cheesy

So this time I can say you are lucky but be careful next time
By the way yesterday I got a big win x5550 multiplier. Honestly, I don't expect to hit big win in this game because other gamblers have never played this game
I play this game just to complete the wagering requirements unexpectedly I got it Grin

here if you want to watch Fire Strike 2

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Quote from: BitcoinHunt3r on September 23, 2023, 06:05:50 PM

You got all these wins in a day? amazing bro Cheesy

I'm guessing you spent at least 3 hours to get it, right? don't forget to cash out before they suck it again
My hunt finished today in the same game Candy Blitz by Pragmatic Play, my latest multiplier is x1055 https://replay.pragmaticplay.net/nrRxMSjJd8
That's enough for today but I'll keep hunting for multipliers next week, this game offers multipliers up to x10000 it wouldn't make sense if I stopped with the x1000 multiplier.

Hahaha, I spent all day doing bonus buys. Luckily, I could withdraw a few million IDR at the end.
Got many <300x results as well which is not worth sharing :p
Nice replay btw with an insane x500 hits. Wish you luck for the hunt! Grin

Quote from: Bitinity on September 23, 2023, 06:26:43 PM

Hitting more than 1500x in a game under the sweet bonanza family is already an extraordinary hit because we all know that it is so hard to get high multiplier in any sweet bonanza family games. What a big luck and congrats for the nice win.

The enhanced RTP one is easier to land big multipliers, but it only has a 5966x max win...
The original Sweet Bonanza is still unbeatable lol. I never get more than a couple hundred x results IIRC and gave up a long time ago.

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Quote from: Betwrong on September 23, 2023, 04:50:41 AM

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That's what I'm trying to say. You can calculate the theoretical probabilities without resorting to any tests, but if you want to check how does a particular slot work in reality, you need to make simulations at least, and that's where you simulate millions of rolls, or your data will be unreliable otherwise.

Exactly.

But also we know that most gamblers are basically superstitious and ignore the odds, so they would pick a slot machine by how it feels, or trying to pick one that is "due".

I wonder if casinos are less crowded on days like 13, 4, etc.

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Quote from: BitcoinHunt3r on September 23, 2023, 03:31:11 AM

Quote from: Bitinity on September 22, 2023, 02:28:44 AM

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I hesitate to explain, but since you asked, I have to answer Cheesy

So far there are no big wins, all my wins are standard that is not worth posting here
Lately I've been playing Candy Blitz more often I bought hundreds of buy spins and my highest multiplier is x800 for some reason, since it was launched I have been curious about this game, have you tried it? and what is your highest multiplier? This week Stake released 2 new games from Pragmatic and this will be my target this week.

Since I did not play since last month so I have not tried any new game released by Pragmatic in the last 30 days. Aside the fact that I got bad result continuously in my last gambling sessions last month, currently I spend most of my money to rebuild my small business at the moment (I was scammed by my business partner few months ago) so I have to reduce my gambling activity a lot and I have to focus on rebuilding my small business. Once everything is running smoothly, I may come back to spend some money in gambling.

Quote from: mu_enrico on September 23, 2023, 01:41:07 PM

Here we go:
- Sweet Fiesta 1901x > https://replay.pragmaticplay.net/PZtnZapTTB

Hitting more than 1500x in a game under the sweet bonanza family is already an extraordinary hit because we all know that it is so hard to get high multiplier in any sweet bonanza family games. What a big luck and congrats for the nice win.

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Quote from: mu_enrico on September 23, 2023, 01:41:07 PM

Here we go:
- Sweet Fiesta 1901x > https://replay.pragmaticplay.net/PZtnZapTTB
- Wild West Bounty 801x > https://replay.pragmaticplay.net/VjVxLG7CaA
- Sugar Twist 836x > https://replay.pragmaticplay.net/0h8gJZ0Dpu

Finally, I taste some sweet-sweet win Grin

You got all these wins in a day? amazing bro Cheesy

I'm guessing you spent at least 3 hours to get it, right? don't forget to cash out before they suck it again
My hunt finished today in the same game Candy Blitz by Pragmatic Play, my latest multiplier is x1055 https://replay.pragmaticplay.net/nrRxMSjJd8
That's enough for today but I'll keep hunting for multipliers next week, this game offers multipliers up to x10000 it wouldn't make sense if I stopped with the x1000 multiplier.

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Here we go:
- Sweet Fiesta 1901x > https://replay.pragmaticplay.net/PZtnZapTTB
- Wild West Bounty 801x > https://replay.pragmaticplay.net/VjVxLG7CaA
- Sugar Twist 836x > https://replay.pragmaticplay.net/0h8gJZ0Dpu

Finally, I taste some sweet-sweet win Grin

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Quote from: nullama on September 17, 2023, 03:40:57 AM

Quote from: Betwrong on September 16, 2023, 05:15:17 AM

~ You can't make any conclusions from just hundreds or even thousands of bets. You need tens of millions for that.

Well you only really need the underlying math for calculating the probabilities, you really don't even need a single instance of the experiment being done to know the odds.

Of course if you want to see the odds in the real world, yes, you need lots and lots of data.

That's what I'm trying to say. You can calculate the theoretical probabilities without resorting to any tests, but if you want to check how does a particular slot work in reality, you need to make simulations at least, and that's where you simulate millions of rolls, or your data will be unreliable otherwise.

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Quote from: Bitinity on September 22, 2023, 02:28:44 AM

Do you guys stop playing slot games already or do you get bad luck with slot lately? Its been quite a while without huge win in this thread, do you feel that the RTP is getting crazier than before in Pragmatic Play? To be frank, I have not played slot game for a month now because I feel that the RTP is really bad since my last play last month. Most new games by Pragmatic seems to be harder game to hit nice multiplier although the RTP and the max win is mostly the same as older games.

I hesitate to explain, but since you asked, I have to answer Cheesy

So far there are no big wins, all my wins are standard that is not worth posting here
Lately I've been playing Candy Blitz more often I bought hundreds of buy spins and my highest multiplier is x800 for some reason, since it was launched I have been curious about this game, have you tried it? and what is your highest multiplier? This week Stake released 2 new games from Pragmatic and this will be my target this week.

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Do you guys stop playing slot games already or do you get bad luck with slot lately? Its been quite a while without huge win in this thread, do you feel that the RTP is getting crazier than before in Pragmatic Play? To be frank, I have not played slot game for a month now because I feel that the RTP is really bad since my last play last month. Most new games by Pragmatic seems to be harder game to hit nice multiplier although the RTP and the max win is mostly the same as older games.

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Quote from: Betwrong on September 16, 2023, 05:15:17 AM

~snip~
Well, I agree with this and last week I also experienced the same thing where for the initial session in two types of pragmatic games I could easily collect profits in just a few rounds but considering that the profits were not really feasible I continued 500 rounds but as a result I actually lost the entire balance I had.

You can't make any conclusions from just hundreds or even thousands of bets. You need tens of millions for that.
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Well you only really need the underlying math for calculating the probabilities, you really don't even need a single instance of the experiment being done to know the odds.

Of course if you want to see the odds in the real world, yes, you need lots and lots of data.

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Quote from: mu_enrico on September 10, 2023, 05:27:06 PM

Quote from: Betwrong on September 09, 2023, 04:06:18 AM

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With 10 million spins, the total results should be closer to the theoretical RTP, but still, since the number is still far from infinity, it won't be the exact 102%. See this article: https://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk/licensees-and-businesses/guide/page/how-to-calculate-return-to-player-rtp

From the above example, 1 million spins still deviate the RTP by +/- 1.09%, so yeah, the expected range from your case should be about 101-103% assuming it has the same volatility (std dev) of 5.6.

I thought with 10 million spins the result will be very close to actual RTP, with deviation only maybe about 0.1%. Interesting. It looks like deviation by 1% in either side is acceptable.

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Quote from: Bitinity on August 30, 2023, 03:48:34 AM

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Quote from: Betwrong on August 30, 2023, 03:22:44 AM

Back to slots. If there was a slot where the house edge was negative, meaning that a player had, say, a 2% advantage. Would that imply that you would definitely win money on that slot after playing it a thousand times? It's obvious that after 100 million times you would win some money, but what about a thousand spins?

No one knows since gambling is not a math that can be calculated on when we will win because it is pure luck game. Luck may come anytime without notice. If we are in our great luck time, no matter how much is the RTP or house edge of the game, we may win some money in our very first spins. Vice versa, we may not even win some money after thousands or even million spins when we are in bad luck time.

What depends on luck when we are making several bets is almost guaranteed when there are millions of bets made. Big casinos survive because of this rule. They have their house edge, around 4%, and with millions of bets they get their profit, around 4% of all money wagered.

It doesn't seem like it because luck never comes suddenly and we don't know when luck will come when betting so it's not like we guarantee a winning bet but it's really uncertain and we can't expect when it will come.
Moreover in the gambling industry casinos are always the most profitable and the percentage of profits owned by casinos is almost 70% of the gambler chances of winning.
But we are here to have fun so whatever happens,defea whether it is luck to win or even defeat we must be able to accept it without the slightest feeling of annoyance.
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Sorry, I don't understand what you are talking about here. Can you please elaborate more?

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Quote from: Betwrong on September 09, 2023, 04:06:18 AM

Quote from: nullama on August 31, 2023, 05:02:32 AM

Quote from: Betwrong on August 30, 2023, 03:22:44 AM

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Nothing in real life has a 100% probability of happening, there is always a small chance of weird things to happen.

Right, but the more attempts is made the closer you are to what is expected: losing the house edge to the house.

Well, I agree with this and last week I also experienced the same thing where for the initial session in two types of pragmatic games I could easily collect profits in just a few rounds but considering that the profits were not really feasible I continued 500 rounds but as a result I actually lost the entire balance I had.

You can't make any conclusions from just hundreds or even thousands of bets. You need tens of millions for that.

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It is only luck guys,RTP is there to make our luck go away but if we persist we will win that max win.Personally I was near it finally and bought the bonus in FISH EYE slot from Pragmatic Play with 20.000 IDR and won 1.977.000 IDR,so just 23.000 IDR before I got to max win.I will post the link here when I go home as I am at work now and normally should not be playing with my phone Grin

but I am very very happy that at least my super bad luck got away for at least once.

Normally it says that it is a 98.xx multiplier but that because it consider the bet as 20.000 IDR,the bonus buy amount and not real bet of 200 which should have been 98xx as multiplier.

https://replay.pragmaticplay.net/5WCCCtTQQx

Here is another 3538x now as today seems the day,same game same bet

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Quote from: Betwrong on September 09, 2023, 04:06:18 AM

Quote from: Bitinity on August 30, 2023, 03:48:34 AM

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Quote from: Betwrong on August 30, 2023, 03:22:44 AM

Back to slots. If there was a slot where the house edge was negative, meaning that a player had, say, a 2% advantage. Would that imply that you would definitely win money on that slot after playing it a thousand times? It's obvious that after 100 million times you would win some money, but what about a thousand spins?

No one knows since gambling is not a math that can be calculated on when we will win because it is pure luck game. Luck may come anytime without notice. If we are in our great luck time, no matter how much is the RTP or house edge of the game, we may win some money in our very first spins. Vice versa, we may not even win some money after thousands or even million spins when we are in bad luck time.

What depends on luck when we are making several bets is almost guaranteed when there are millions of bets made. Big casinos survive because of this rule. They have their house edge, around 4%, and with millions of bets they get their profit, around 4% of all money wagered.

It doesn't seem like it because luck never comes suddenly and we don't know when luck will come when betting so it's not like we guarantee a winning bet but it's really uncertain and we can't expect when it will come.
Moreover in the gambling industry casinos are always the most profitable and the percentage of profits owned by casinos is almost 70% of the gambler chances of winning.
But we are here to have fun so whatever happens,defea whether it is luck to win or even defeat we must be able to accept it without the slightest feeling of annoyance.

Quote from: Betwrong on September 09, 2023, 04:06:18 AM

Quote from: nullama on August 31, 2023, 05:02:32 AM

Quote from: Betwrong on August 30, 2023, 03:22:44 AM

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Nothing in real life has a 100% probability of happening, there is always a small chance of weird things to happen.

Right, but the more attempts is made the closer you are to what is expected: losing the house edge to the house.

Well, I agree with this and last week I also experienced the same thing where for the initial session in two types of pragmatic games I could easily collect profits in just a few rounds but considering that the profits were not really feasible I continued 500 rounds but as a result I actually lost the entire balance I had.

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Quote from: Betwrong on September 09, 2023, 04:06:18 AM

Quote from: mu_enrico on September 03, 2023, 07:04:01 AM

Quote from: Betwrong on August 30, 2023, 03:22:44 AM

Back to slots. If there was a slot where the house edge was negative, meaning that a player had, say, a 2% advantage. Would that imply that you would definitely win money on that slot after playing it a thousand times? It's obvious that after 100 million times you would win some money, but what about a thousand spins?

It's easier to imagine if you use RTP instead since I've seen Live RTP that went 200%+
So regarding your question, if the dev programmed the theoretical RTP to be more than 100% (in this case 102%), again it's in the assumption of infinite spins. If you do only a thousand spins, anything can happen just like usual. It can be a W or an L, depending on your luck Grin

You can even get rekt pretty quickly if the volatility is extreme.

I agree. With just a thousand of spins you can expect anything. But with 10 million of spins you pretty much know what to expect.

With 10 million spins, the total results should be closer to the theoretical RTP, but still, since the number is still far from infinity, it won't be the exact 102%. See this article: https://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk/licensees-and-businesses/guide/page/how-to-calculate-return-to-player-rtp

From the above example, 1 million spins still deviate the RTP by +/- 1.09%, so yeah, the expected range from your case should be about 101-103% assuming it has the same volatility (std dev) of 5.6.

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Quote from: Bitinity on August 30, 2023, 03:48:34 AM

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Quote from: Betwrong on August 30, 2023, 03:22:44 AM

Back to slots. If there was a slot where the house edge was negative, meaning that a player had, say, a 2% advantage. Would that imply that you would definitely win money on that slot after playing it a thousand times? It's obvious that after 100 million times you would win some money, but what about a thousand spins?

No one knows since gambling is not a math that can be calculated on when we will win because it is pure luck game. Luck may come anytime without notice. If we are in our great luck time, no matter how much is the RTP or house edge of the game, we may win some money in our very first spins. Vice versa, we may not even win some money after thousands or even million spins when we are in bad luck time.

What depends on luck when we are making several bets is almost guaranteed when there are millions of bets made. Big casinos survive because of this rule. They have their house edge, around 4%, and with millions of bets they get their profit, around 4% of all money wagered.

Quote from: nullama on August 31, 2023, 05:02:32 AM

Quote from: Betwrong on August 30, 2023, 03:22:44 AM

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Nothing in real life has a 100% probability of happening, there is always a small chance of weird things to happen.

Right, but the more attempts is made the closer you are to what is expected: losing the house edge to the house.

Quote from: mu_enrico on September 03, 2023, 07:04:01 AM

Quote from: Betwrong on August 30, 2023, 03:22:44 AM

Back to slots. If there was a slot where the house edge was negative, meaning that a player had, say, a 2% advantage. Would that imply that you would definitely win money on that slot after playing it a thousand times? It's obvious that after 100 million times you would win some money, but what about a thousand spins?

It's easier to imagine if you use RTP instead since I've seen Live RTP that went 200%+
So regarding your question, if the dev programmed the theoretical RTP to be more than 100% (in this case 102%), again it's in the assumption of infinite spins. If you do only a thousand spins, anything can happen just like usual. It can be a W or an L, depending on your luck Grin

You can even get rekt pretty quickly if the volatility is extreme.

I agree. With just a thousand of spins you can expect anything. But with 10 million of spins you pretty much know what to expect.

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Quote from: Betwrong on August 30, 2023, 03:22:44 AM

Back to slots. If there was a slot where the house edge was negative, meaning that a player had, say, a 2% advantage. Would that imply that you would definitely win money on that slot after playing it a thousand times? It's obvious that after 100 million times you would win some money, but what about a thousand spins?

It's easier to imagine if you use RTP instead since I've seen Live RTP that went 200%+
So regarding your question, if the dev programmed the theoretical RTP to be more than 100% (in this case 102%), again it's in the assumption of infinite spins. If you do only a thousand spins, anything can happen just like usual. It can be a W or an L, depending on your luck Grin

You can even get rekt pretty quickly if the volatility is extreme.

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Quote from: Betwrong on August 30, 2023, 03:22:44 AM

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The difference between 99.75% and 100% is huge. It's basically the difference between uncertainty and certainty. Anyone would prefer certainty to uncertainty, that's for sure. Only in reality nothing can be 100% guaranteed. In reality a surgery with a 100% success rate isn't guaranteed to be successful in any particular case in the future. It is likely to be successful, but never guaranteed.

Back to slots. If there was a slot where the house edge was negative, meaning that a player had, say, a 2% advantage. Would that imply that you would definitely win money on that slot after playing it a thousand times? It's obvious that after 100 million times you would win some money, but what about a thousand spins?

Nothing in real life has a 100% probability of happening, there is always a small chance of weird things to happen.

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Quote from: Bitinity on August 30, 2023, 03:48:34 AM

Quote from: BitcoinHunt3r on August 29, 2023, 06:54:29 AM

In some cases I often experience it when my balance is 1.800k then I will think about looking for another 200k unfortunately my balance continues to decrease until there is nothing left Cheesy

I'm pretty sure more than 90% of gamblers in this world experienced this including me Grin

We lose the whole balance while we wanted to add some extra money (maybe only few percent of the whole balance) before withdraw it.

That's great, you don't have to be ashamed to say it because you are not alone you are with me, but in the past Cheesy

By the way today is our payday I managed to increase my balance by 50% from $102 to $158 you know I didn't even think about looking for $2 to make up $160 Wink

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Quote from: BitcoinHunt3r on August 29, 2023, 06:54:29 AM

In some cases I often experience it when my balance is 1.800k then I will think about looking for another 200k unfortunately my balance continues to decrease until there is nothing left Cheesy

I'm pretty sure more than 90% of gamblers in this world experienced this including me Grin

We lose the whole balance while we wanted to add some extra money (maybe only few percent of the whole balance) before withdraw it.

Quote from: Betwrong on August 30, 2023, 03:22:44 AM

Back to slots. If there was a slot where the house edge was negative, meaning that a player had, say, a 2% advantage. Would that imply that you would definitely win money on that slot after playing it a thousand times? It's obvious that after 100 million times you would win some money, but what about a thousand spins?

No one knows since gambling is not a math that can be calculated on when we will win because it is pure luck game. Luck may come anytime without notice. If we are in our great luck time, no matter how much is the RTP or house edge of the game, we may win some money in our very first spins. Vice versa, we may not even win some money after thousands or even million spins when we are in bad luck time.

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Quote from: mu_enrico on August 22, 2023, 07:47:41 AM

Quote from: Betwrong on August 22, 2023, 03:56:25 AM

But aren't deviations by fractions of percent irrelevant to us gamblers? How many times we have to play a particular to feel the difference? I think it's many millions, but do you think you can feel it right away?

In my previous poll (Enhanced RTP Slots, Your Experience (with Poll))
People can't feel the difference even with a 1.5% RTP margin. So 0.25% RTP margin won't have any effect on our playing experience... BUT if you look at percentages differently, let's say you have two options, (1) to do surgery with a 99.75% success rate, with 0.25% of failure (or death), or (2) to do surgery with a 100% success rate. I bet you will choose option (2) Grin

People also say that winning a lottery only has a 1/292 million chance, but if you win, it's 100% for you...

The difference between 99.75% and 100% is huge. It's basically the difference between uncertainty and certainty. Anyone would prefer certainty to uncertainty, that's for sure. Only in reality nothing can be 100% guaranteed. In reality a surgery with a 100% success rate isn't guaranteed to be successful in any particular case in the future. It is likely to be successful, but never guaranteed.

Back to slots. If there was a slot where the house edge was negative, meaning that a player had, say, a 2% advantage. Would that imply that you would definitely win money on that slot after playing it a thousand times? It's obvious that after 100 million times you would win some money, but what about a thousand spins?

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