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Do you guys stop playing slot games already or do you get bad luck with slot lately? Its been quite a while without huge win in this thread, do you feel that the RTP is getting crazier than before in Pragmatic Play? To be frank, I have not played slot game for a month now because I feel that the RTP is really bad since my last play last month. Most new games by Pragmatic seems to be harder game to hit nice multiplier although the RTP and the max win is mostly the same as older games.
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Well, I agree with this and last week I also experienced the same thing where for the initial session in two types of pragmatic games I could easily collect profits in just a few rounds but considering that the profits were not really feasible I continued 500 rounds but as a result I actually lost the entire balance I had.
Well, I agree with this and last week I also experienced the same thing where for the initial session in two types of pragmatic games I could easily collect profits in just a few rounds but considering that the profits were not really feasible I continued 500 rounds but as a result I actually lost the entire balance I had.
You can't make any conclusions from just hundreds or even thousands of bets. You need tens of millions for that.
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Well you only really need the underlying math for calculating the probabilities, you really don't even need a single instance of the experiment being done to know the odds.
Of course if you want to see the odds in the real world, yes, you need lots and lots of data.
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With 10 million spins, the total results should be closer to the theoretical RTP, but still, since the number is still far from infinity, it won't be the exact 102%. See this article: https://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk/licensees-and-businesses/guide/page/how-to-calculate-return-to-player-rtpFrom the above example, 1 million spins still deviate the RTP by +/- 1.09%, so yeah, the expected range from your case should be about 101-103% assuming it has the same volatility (std dev) of 5.6.
I thought with 10 million spins the result will be very close to actual RTP, with deviation only maybe about 0.1%. Interesting. It looks like deviation by 1% in either side is acceptable.
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No one knows since gambling is not a math that can be calculated on when we will win because it is pure luck game. Luck may come anytime without notice. If we are in our great luck time, no matter how much is the RTP or house edge of the game, we may win some money in our very first spins. Vice versa, we may not even win some money after thousands or even million spins when we are in bad luck time.
Back to slots. If there was a slot where the house edge was negative, meaning that a player had, say, a 2% advantage. Would that imply that you would definitely win money on that slot after playing it a thousand times? It's obvious that after 100 million times you would win some money, but what about a thousand spins?
No one knows since gambling is not a math that can be calculated on when we will win because it is pure luck game. Luck may come anytime without notice. If we are in our great luck time, no matter how much is the RTP or house edge of the game, we may win some money in our very first spins. Vice versa, we may not even win some money after thousands or even million spins when we are in bad luck time.
What depends on luck when we are making several bets is almost guaranteed when there are millions of bets made. Big casinos survive because of this rule. They have their house edge, around 4%, and with millions of bets they get their profit, around 4% of all money wagered.
Moreover in the gambling industry casinos are always the most profitable and the percentage of profits owned by casinos is almost 70% of the gambler chances of winning.
But we are here to have fun so whatever happens,defea whether it is luck to win or even defeat we must be able to accept it without the slightest feeling of annoyance.
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Sorry, I don't understand what you are talking about here. Can you please elaborate more?
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Nothing in real life has a 100% probability of happening, there is always a small chance of weird things to happen.
Right, but the more attempts is made the closer you are to what is expected: losing the house edge to the house.
You can't make any conclusions from just hundreds or even thousands of bets. You need tens of millions for that.
It is only luck guys,RTP is there to make our luck go away but if we persist we will win that max win.Personally I was near it finally and bought the bonus in FISH EYE slot from Pragmatic Play with 20.000 IDR and won 1.977.000 IDR,so just 23.000 IDR before I got to max win.I will post the link here when I go home as I am at work now and normally should not be playing with my phone 
but I am very very happy that at least my super bad luck got away for at least once.
Normally it says that it is a 98.xx multiplier but that because it consider the bet as 20.000 IDR,the bonus buy amount and not real bet of 200 which should have been 98xx as multiplier.
https://replay.pragmaticplay.net/5WCCCtTQQx
Here is another 3538x now as today seems the day,same game same bet
https://replay.pragmaticplay.net/I80rLn3L2P
but I am very very happy that at least my super bad luck got away for at least once.Normally it says that it is a 98.xx multiplier but that because it consider the bet as 20.000 IDR,the bonus buy amount and not real bet of 200 which should have been 98xx as multiplier.
https://replay.pragmaticplay.net/5WCCCtTQQx
Here is another 3538x now as today seems the day,same game same bet
https://replay.pragmaticplay.net/I80rLn3L2P
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No one knows since gambling is not a math that can be calculated on when we will win because it is pure luck game. Luck may come anytime without notice. If we are in our great luck time, no matter how much is the RTP or house edge of the game, we may win some money in our very first spins. Vice versa, we may not even win some money after thousands or even million spins when we are in bad luck time.
Back to slots. If there was a slot where the house edge was negative, meaning that a player had, say, a 2% advantage. Would that imply that you would definitely win money on that slot after playing it a thousand times? It's obvious that after 100 million times you would win some money, but what about a thousand spins?
No one knows since gambling is not a math that can be calculated on when we will win because it is pure luck game. Luck may come anytime without notice. If we are in our great luck time, no matter how much is the RTP or house edge of the game, we may win some money in our very first spins. Vice versa, we may not even win some money after thousands or even million spins when we are in bad luck time.
What depends on luck when we are making several bets is almost guaranteed when there are millions of bets made. Big casinos survive because of this rule. They have their house edge, around 4%, and with millions of bets they get their profit, around 4% of all money wagered.
Moreover in the gambling industry casinos are always the most profitable and the percentage of profits owned by casinos is almost 70% of the gambler chances of winning.
But we are here to have fun so whatever happens,defea whether it is luck to win or even defeat we must be able to accept it without the slightest feeling of annoyance.
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Nothing in real life has a 100% probability of happening, there is always a small chance of weird things to happen.
Right, but the more attempts is made the closer you are to what is expected: losing the house edge to the house.
Back to slots. If there was a slot where the house edge was negative, meaning that a player had, say, a 2% advantage. Would that imply that you would definitely win money on that slot after playing it a thousand times? It's obvious that after 100 million times you would win some money, but what about a thousand spins?
It's easier to imagine if you use RTP instead since I've seen Live RTP that went 200%+So regarding your question, if the dev programmed the theoretical RTP to be more than 100% (in this case 102%), again it's in the assumption of infinite spins. If you do only a thousand spins, anything can happen just like usual. It can be a W or an L, depending on your luck
You can even get rekt pretty quickly if the volatility is extreme.
From the above example, 1 million spins still deviate the RTP by +/- 1.09%, so yeah, the expected range from your case should be about 101-103% assuming it has the same volatility (std dev) of 5.6.
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No one knows since gambling is not a math that can be calculated on when we will win because it is pure luck game. Luck may come anytime without notice. If we are in our great luck time, no matter how much is the RTP or house edge of the game, we may win some money in our very first spins. Vice versa, we may not even win some money after thousands or even million spins when we are in bad luck time.
Back to slots. If there was a slot where the house edge was negative, meaning that a player had, say, a 2% advantage. Would that imply that you would definitely win money on that slot after playing it a thousand times? It's obvious that after 100 million times you would win some money, but what about a thousand spins?
No one knows since gambling is not a math that can be calculated on when we will win because it is pure luck game. Luck may come anytime without notice. If we are in our great luck time, no matter how much is the RTP or house edge of the game, we may win some money in our very first spins. Vice versa, we may not even win some money after thousands or even million spins when we are in bad luck time.
What depends on luck when we are making several bets is almost guaranteed when there are millions of bets made. Big casinos survive because of this rule. They have their house edge, around 4%, and with millions of bets they get their profit, around 4% of all money wagered.
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Nothing in real life has a 100% probability of happening, there is always a small chance of weird things to happen.
Right, but the more attempts is made the closer you are to what is expected: losing the house edge to the house.
Back to slots. If there was a slot where the house edge was negative, meaning that a player had, say, a 2% advantage. Would that imply that you would definitely win money on that slot after playing it a thousand times? It's obvious that after 100 million times you would win some money, but what about a thousand spins?
It's easier to imagine if you use RTP instead since I've seen Live RTP that went 200%+So regarding your question, if the dev programmed the theoretical RTP to be more than 100% (in this case 102%), again it's in the assumption of infinite spins. If you do only a thousand spins, anything can happen just like usual. It can be a W or an L, depending on your luck
You can even get rekt pretty quickly if the volatility is extreme.
I agree. With just a thousand of spins you can expect anything. But with 10 million of spins you pretty much know what to expect.
Back to slots. If there was a slot where the house edge was negative, meaning that a player had, say, a 2% advantage. Would that imply that you would definitely win money on that slot after playing it a thousand times? It's obvious that after 100 million times you would win some money, but what about a thousand spins?
It's easier to imagine if you use RTP instead since I've seen Live RTP that went 200%+So regarding your question, if the dev programmed the theoretical RTP to be more than 100% (in this case 102%), again it's in the assumption of infinite spins. If you do only a thousand spins, anything can happen just like usual. It can be a W or an L, depending on your luck
You can even get rekt pretty quickly if the volatility is extreme.
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The difference between 99.75% and 100% is huge. It's basically the difference between uncertainty and certainty. Anyone would prefer certainty to uncertainty, that's for sure. Only in reality nothing can be 100% guaranteed. In reality a surgery with a 100% success rate isn't guaranteed to be successful in any particular case in the future. It is likely to be successful, but never guaranteed.
Back to slots. If there was a slot where the house edge was negative, meaning that a player had, say, a 2% advantage. Would that imply that you would definitely win money on that slot after playing it a thousand times? It's obvious that after 100 million times you would win some money, but what about a thousand spins?
The difference between 99.75% and 100% is huge. It's basically the difference between uncertainty and certainty. Anyone would prefer certainty to uncertainty, that's for sure. Only in reality nothing can be 100% guaranteed. In reality a surgery with a 100% success rate isn't guaranteed to be successful in any particular case in the future. It is likely to be successful, but never guaranteed.
Back to slots. If there was a slot where the house edge was negative, meaning that a player had, say, a 2% advantage. Would that imply that you would definitely win money on that slot after playing it a thousand times? It's obvious that after 100 million times you would win some money, but what about a thousand spins?
Nothing in real life has a 100% probability of happening, there is always a small chance of weird things to happen.
In some cases I often experience it when my balance is 1.800k then I will think about looking for another 200k unfortunately my balance continues to decrease until there is nothing left 
I'm pretty sure more than 90% of gamblers in this world experienced this including me
We lose the whole balance while we wanted to add some extra money (maybe only few percent of the whole balance) before withdraw it. That's great, you don't have to be ashamed to say it because you are not alone you are with me, but in the past
By the way today is our payday I managed to increase my balance by 50% from $102 to $158 you know I didn't even think about looking for $2 to make up $160 
Monster Superlanche game on fire on my side I hit x500+ 2 times and I knew it was the right time to out, here is the Replay. Anyone who wants to try this game I recommend starting from the lowest bet, sometimes this game is unfriendly so you must have a balance to cover the next bet.
In some cases I often experience it when my balance is 1.800k then I will think about looking for another 200k unfortunately my balance continues to decrease until there is nothing left
I'm pretty sure more than 90% of gamblers in this world experienced this including me
We lose the whole balance while we wanted to add some extra money (maybe only few percent of the whole balance) before withdraw it. Back to slots. If there was a slot where the house edge was negative, meaning that a player had, say, a 2% advantage. Would that imply that you would definitely win money on that slot after playing it a thousand times? It's obvious that after 100 million times you would win some money, but what about a thousand spins?
No one knows since gambling is not a math that can be calculated on when we will win because it is pure luck game. Luck may come anytime without notice. If we are in our great luck time, no matter how much is the RTP or house edge of the game, we may win some money in our very first spins. Vice versa, we may not even win some money after thousands or even million spins when we are in bad luck time.
But aren't deviations by fractions of percent irrelevant to us gamblers? How many times we have to play a particular to feel the difference? I think it's many millions, but do you think you can feel it right away?
In my previous poll (Enhanced RTP Slots, Your Experience (with Poll))People can't feel the difference even with a 1.5% RTP margin. So 0.25% RTP margin won't have any effect on our playing experience... BUT if you look at percentages differently, let's say you have two options, (1) to do surgery with a 99.75% success rate, with 0.25% of failure (or death), or (2) to do surgery with a 100% success rate. I bet you will choose option (2)
People also say that winning a lottery only has a 1/292 million chance, but if you win, it's 100% for you...
The difference between 99.75% and 100% is huge. It's basically the difference between uncertainty and certainty. Anyone would prefer certainty to uncertainty, that's for sure. Only in reality nothing can be 100% guaranteed. In reality a surgery with a 100% success rate isn't guaranteed to be successful in any particular case in the future. It is likely to be successful, but never guaranteed.
Back to slots. If there was a slot where the house edge was negative, meaning that a player had, say, a 2% advantage. Would that imply that you would definitely win money on that slot after playing it a thousand times? It's obvious that after 100 million times you would win some money, but what about a thousand spins?
Yes and just now all those wins were gone after I decided to go back to playing and try my luck again.
But you don't need to regret that defeat because all wins will definitely return to the house edge when we use to repeat the same game.
At this point, it's better to stop for a moment and wait for money that can really be received when you lose and not use reserve money to meet daily needs.
Bitter experiences will always happen at any time and we must be able to accept all these bitter experiences.
But you don't need to regret that defeat because all wins will definitely return to the house edge when we use to repeat the same game.
At this point, it's better to stop for a moment and wait for money that can really be received when you lose and not use reserve money to meet daily needs.
Bitter experiences will always happen at any time and we must be able to accept all these bitter experiences.
You can try again tomorrow, I know tomorrow is your payday
before starting to gamble you must set a winning target for example 30% or 100% of your initial balance if you have reached it then stop and request for withdrawal don't even think about changing the target while playing because it would mess up your first plan. In some cases I often experience it when my balance is 1.800k then I will think about looking for another 200k unfortunately my balance continues to decrease until there is nothing left As some people here have said who plays the pragmatic game type Forget OF Olympus, it provides a very surprising multiplier and additional free spin bonuses can still be obtained when in free spin conditions.
I got a level 4 multiplier with 50x - 100x and in the last few rounds the table is always breaking even if only by a relatively small amount.
There is a new game in town from the Big Bass saga,Big Bass Hold and Spinner Megaways,I tried it a bit and to me it looks much better than Big Bass Amazon Extreme.
If I remember about bigbas slot, I played this slot about a year ago, I think it's one of the worst slots owned by pragmatic. It is very difficult to get bigwin from the freespin bonus. I don't want to play in this slot anymore
I will play it tonight with signature money to enjoy slots after a long time without doing so,I got 2 bonuses from Stake at August,monthly bonuses so I played a lot at Sweet Bonanza and even got an x2500 multi which the greed got the best out of me and I lost everything soon after.I seem to never be learning that as soon as you increase your bet chances are extremely high that you will see your money gone in an instant .
.Good luck tonight. I'm waiting for you to share your bigwin, I hope you get maxwin tonight. If you get maxwin, I'll say "jangkrik boss"
In my opinion, that doesn't mean you don't learn from experience, but it is the destiny of slot gamblers to lose their money back after getting a big win.. It's hard to decide when to stop spinning the "spin" button
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There is a new game in town from the Big Bass saga,Big Bass Hold and Spinner Megaways,I tried it a bit and to me it looks much better than Big Bass Amazon Extreme.I will play it tonight with signature money to enjoy slots after a long time without doing so,I got 2 bonuses from Stake at August,monthly bonuses so I played a lot at Sweet Bonanza and even got an x2500 multi which the greed got the best out of me and I lost everything soon after.I seem to never be learning that as soon as you increase your bet chances are extremely high that you will see your money gone in an instant .
I tried playing Amazon Extreme Big Bass. Buying Buy Free Spins for $10, I get 14 Free Spins plus 10 as an extra bonus..
And after playing with those 14 Free Spins, I still get another 10 Free Spins.
And this is the result I got.
At least I won $5 because of the $10 to return the purchase of Buy Free Spins for $10 earlier.
Quite a win for me today
https://replay.pragmaticplay.net/xGcsnkwmfQ
There is a new game in town from the Big Bass saga,Big Bass Hold and Spinner Megaways,I tried it a bit and to me it looks much better than Big Bass Amazon Extreme.I will play it tonight with signature money to enjoy slots after a long time without doing so,I got 2 bonuses from Stake at August,monthly bonuses so I played a lot at Sweet Bonanza and even got an x2500 multi which the greed got the best out of me and I lost everything soon after.I seem to never be learning that as soon as you increase your bet chances are extremely high that you will see your money gone in an instant .
. Yes and just now all those wins were gone after I decided to go back to playing and try my luck again.
But you don't need to regret that defeat because all wins will definitely return to the house edge when we use to repeat the same game.
At this point, it's better to stop for a moment and wait for money that can really be received when you lose and not use reserve money to meet daily needs.
Bitter experiences will always happen at any time and we must be able to accept all these bitter experiences.
But you don't need to regret that defeat because all wins will definitely return to the house edge when we use to repeat the same game.
At this point, it's better to stop for a moment and wait for money that can really be received when you lose and not use reserve money to meet daily needs.
Bitter experiences will always happen at any time and we must be able to accept all these bitter experiences.
You can try again tomorrow, I know tomorrow is your payday
before starting to gamble you must set a winning target for example 30% or 100% of your initial balance if you have reached it then stop and request for withdrawal don't even think about changing the target while playing because it would mess up your first plan. In some cases I often experience it when my balance is 1.800k then I will think about looking for another 200k unfortunately my balance continues to decrease until there is nothing left
Yes and just now all those wins were gone after I decided to go back to playing and try my luck again.
But you don't need to regret that defeat because all wins will definitely return to the house edge when we use to repeat the same game.
At this point, it's better to stop for a moment and wait for money that can really be received when you lose and not use reserve money to meet daily needs.
Bitter experiences will always happen at any time and we must be able to accept all these bitter experiences.
But you don't need to regret that defeat because all wins will definitely return to the house edge when we use to repeat the same game.
At this point, it's better to stop for a moment and wait for money that can really be received when you lose and not use reserve money to meet daily needs.
Bitter experiences will always happen at any time and we must be able to accept all these bitter experiences.
Yes Forges of Olympus gives more than 4 scatters more often than other games. Anyway you got the 526x by buying the highest level, means that the ROI is 5x only. I havent tried to buy the highest level. I tried all with the lowest level including the one that gave me my best multiplier. However I did not say that forges of olympus is better than Wisdom of Athena, I said the opposite because even though this game gives many free spins more often but the frequency of the hammers (multiplier) is very rare.
Haha so far I haven't been able to choose which game is better because this week both games gave me win with x1300 multiplier after winning I don't continue playing it maybe it was a trap to trigger me
anyway this week most of the games from pragmatic gave me nice wins I managed to double my campaign payment up to 5x here is one of my nice wins Hot Pepper with x1500+ multiplier this is not a new game but one of the games I play the most at the moment but sometimes this game sucks my balance even up to 10x buy spins without ROI. today I started trying to use a minimum bet of IDR 200 in this game and the results are the same as you without luck even my biggest multiplier is only 526x by buying IDR 100k bonus spins at level 4.
I think Forgets OF Olympus often gives a scatter of more than 4 and you are right when you say this game is better than Wisdom Of Athena but unfortunately the Wilds of Olympus are not collected like Gates of Oylmpus just try every Wild that comes out to be collected for sure more profitable.
maybe later tonight I'll trying again hoping tonight is mine.
I think Forge
maybe later tonight I'll trying again hoping tonight is mine.
Yes Forges of Olympus gives more than 4 scatters more often than other games. Anyway you got the 526x by buying the highest level, means that the ROI is 5x only. I havent tried to buy the highest level. I tried all with the lowest level including the one that gave me my best multiplier. However I did not say that forges of olympus is better than Wisdom of Athena, I said the opposite because even though this game gives many free spins more often but the frequency of the hammers (multiplier) is very rare.
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