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Topic: Slovenski ICO Verity [ex. Eventum] nagradjuje Alfa Testere! (Approx $150) - page 15. (Read 5272 times)

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Ako kome pomogne, mislim da je ovo najbitnije - mada nista groundbreaking...one prave informacije nam tek dolaze nakon token generation eventa:



Q:
When is the wallet supposed to come out so we can run nodes?
And why are the rewards for demo events going down? There's still a lot to be distributed in demo events right?

A:
Mobile client will be launched on the main net somewhere in Q4, exact timetable will be released somewhere after TGE.



Q:
to run a consensus node, does it pay out more to have above said requirement, like if you had 113000 compared to 13,000 tokens.. would there be any staking advantage in the size, could you give any specifics about consensus nodes or is there an article about the payouts and how it works?

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Validation nodes initially weren't planned to be tiered, but once recruitment phase ends and development and brainstorming phase kicks in, expect much more announcements from a developer's perspective. Of course running more nodes means higher returns, but not because of a higher level or score of a validation node per se. The amount will be fixed relative to the tokens in circulation, so the more tokens you have the more validation nodes you will be able to run (concurrently, if chosen). Essentially, validation nodes act as just-in-time masternodes. They are only active during the specific time frame the market is online. As more data is being validated and the platform adopted, developers will buy EVT to reward users who report data and as more of them do, the prices (and fees) will rise accordingly.
We are still preparing the article for validation nodes, but if you have any specific questions to ask just shoot. Are you interested about the hardware required, how they're projected to run or how they're chosen from the pool? Smiley



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so youre saying itll be easy to have 5-8 validation nodes?
what type of interaction would it require to be a validation node?
im trying to wrap my mind around this and struggling a bit, i guess the worst masternode is throwing me lol
i guess hardware required would be one, am i penalized for it being down is two (but youre saying it doesnt have to be up all the time so i guess thats a no)

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If you have enough tokens, sure. But setting them up and running them isn't the same. Once you have enough tokens you will have to stake them (essentially just proving that you have them). Once a developer creates a market, a few validation nodes (number varies per his request) are chosen at random (reputation and network statistics come in to play as well, to a degree). This means that the chance all of your validation nodes will be running simultaneously is quite low. If you are chosen, you will have a certain amount of time before the market starts to accept this task before it is delegated to another node. If you accept, these tokens are then locked for the duration of the market (voting process + dispute time, if required). If your node comes to the same conclusion as the rest of the nodes, the tokens are released back to you. If you try to manipulate the consensus outcome, the tokens are sent to the common pool from which participants doing certain actions are rewarded.
Once the app is released and the functionality implemented, all settings will be available for you to adjust manually. But because understanding and knowing current market statistics can be time consuming and too much of a hassle, a built-in algorithm will automatically calculate the optimal settings for you, you will just need to set it up initially. You won't need any specialized hardware for that matter, any new smartphone will be able to run it.


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okay so what would "going against the consensus" look like.. like what would i be validating? im getting a disconnect there, can you give an example of 3-2=1 or something simple
im following so far, that a few random nodes will be selected, and im assuming the nodes themselves need to come to a conesus

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You personally won't be doing anything, the app will do it automatically. Validation node has to analyze all of the incoming votes (like the ones submitted during current events) and process it and build a consensus. Because having only one validation node could pave the way for manipulation, at least 3 or more validation nodes have to participate in a given market at the same time. They then share the incoming votes between themselves and evaluate each other for any discrepancies. They then build the consensus when enough similar votes come through and then after the market ends send this outcome back to the developer who initiated the market.

Indeed, validation nodes process the votes and build the consensus we're seeing in events now, much like how it will be later on. Right now we only have three validation nodes on our side that are processing the votes (as a proof of concept), you can how they are chosen exactly 10 minutes before the event starts when the registration period ends.



Q:
so what happens if the 3 validation nodes dont agree? do you reward the 2 and take from the 3rd

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Yes, something like that. Exactly what happens is still in the brainstorming phase, but a penalty is certainly in place. It would be a good idea to place something of a "validation dispute mechanism" into play as well, something that's automatic and notifies all participants in a market that validation nodes had trouble coming to an understanding of sorts.




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but the penalty would be passed on to the users provioding data right? since the validation node itself is automated

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No, data providers get penalized only for reporting the wrong data as a consensus. While validation is automated for the majority of users, there's no doubt that more tech-savvy users could get around it and implement their own solutions. Therefore having a high enough of a deterrent in place should stop any fraudulent behavior in the marketplace.



Q: Really interested in the hardware tip so as to get ready for it Luka. (ovaj lik pita sta mu treba od hardware za node)

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You won't need any specialized hardware to run a validation node, even a smartphone will do in fact. Validation nodes act as temporary masternodes that process the data only for the duration of the market, so you won't have to run them continuously. As long as you have enough tokens in the wallet, you will receive random offers if you're available to process votes in a certain market.




Q:
and how will those fees be calculated?
which factors determine the percentage that a person running a validation node receives?

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These fees are set by validation node themselves. When the app launches, you will be able to adjust these settings according to your requirements, but a built-in algorithm will automatically determine the optimal price based on marketplace conditions. The market price will adjust itself based on supply and demand, essentially fluctuating depending on how many markets are being validated in the market at that time. The app just recommends the optimal price to enter the market but you can manually adjust it to enter with more aggressive approach (in case you need instant validation).


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Danas su se developeri jako razvezali po pitanju raznih stvari tehnicke prirode, o svemu i svacemu, poglavito o stakingu. Sve je dostupno na Telegramu, a mozda bi se nekom i dalo copy pasteati bitne informacije ovdje. Mozda ja budem ta osoba.  Grin

Pa bilo bi ljepo, posto si ti primjetio i objavio to  Grin

Mozes i screenshotove prilozit slobodno.
Ovaj vikend sam malo zauzet, ali sljedeći tjedan ću to riješiti. I kako mrzim stavljati slike na online baze podataka i onda se ubijati s njihovim stavljanjem na forum, stavit ću odgovore u teskt formatu. Evo, obećajem.
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Danas su se developeri jako razvezali po pitanju raznih stvari tehnicke prirode, o svemu i svacemu, poglavito o stakingu. Sve je dostupno na Telegramu, a mozda bi se nekom i dalo copy pasteati bitne informacije ovdje. Mozda ja budem ta osoba.  Grin

Pa bilo bi ljepo, posto si ti primjetio i objavio to  Grin

Mozes i screenshotove prilozit slobodno.
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Danas su se developeri jako razvezali po pitanju raznih stvari tehnicke prirode, o svemu i svacemu, poglavito o stakingu. Sve je dostupno na Telegramu, a mozda bi se nekom i dalo copy pasteati bitne informacije ovdje. Mozda ja budem ta osoba.  Grin
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Jos uvek nista novo na Alphi? Pa kada ce vise? Smiley
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Jako se veselim novim eventima, pogotovo novim tipovima istih. A ne bi skodilo i da cijena tokena drasticno skoci. 😁 danny, nisam jos poslao mail za tebe ali planiram cim dobim pristup kompu.

Nemas frke stari, hvala ti unaprijed  Grin Grin

Btw hvala svima sto ste poslali mail, puno puno hvala!  Grin Grin
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Jako se veselim novim eventima, pogotovo novim tipovima istih. A ne bi skodilo i da cijena tokena drasticno skoci. 😁 danny, nisam jos poslao mail za tebe ali planiram cim dobim pristup kompu.
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E sad me puno pitaš Grin

Trebalo bi sjesti i detaljno proučiti WP, pošto imam već dosta love u ovome napraviti ću to tijekom godišnjeg.

Treba 13.000 EVT-a (po nekim prvim računicama) da možeš imati node i validirati podatke. To je jedan od razloga jer ćeš validacijom i zarađivati.

Da, to zarađivanje s validacijskim nodeom je trebalo biti moje drugo pitanje  Grin Tko će meni dati tu zaradu? Hoće li se određeni postotak tokena koje tvrtka koja radi event dodijeli tom eventu rezervirati za nodeove, a ostatak na korisnike koji će glasati? Pretpostavljam da će biti tako, ali nikad ne znaš...  Smiley

Upravo sam ih pitao to sta si ti pitao, pa kad mi odgovore cu odgovorit i ja tebi  Grin
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Ček, sad mi jedna stvar nije jasna. Koja je uloga EVT tokena osim da budu nagrada na eventima? Mislim, zašto bi netko kupio 1.000 EVT tokena ako ih ja hoću prodati? Osim toga, što će biti nagrada kasnije ako sve EVT tokene podijele u alpha i beta fazi?
Jedino što mi pada na pamet je da tvrtke koje će koristiti Eventum platformu za svoje evente moraju na burzi kupiti EVT tokene koje će podijeliti kroz event. Ali zar neće to onda biti vrlo mali broj kupaca koji će kupovati puno tokena i jako puno prodavača koji će prodavati tokene? Ako bude tako, svaka kupnja bi mogla značajno utjecati na cijenu. Na primjer, želim organizirati event u kojem ću podijeliti 100.000 EVT tokena. Znači da ja te tokene moram kupiti na burzi. A tu neće biti "whaleova" s velikom količinom tokena nego puno manjih prodavača koji će svaki staviti neku svoju cijenu. Zbog toga bi kupnja mojih 100.000 EVT mogla značajno podići cijenu.

EVT Tokeni ce ti sluzit za validacijski node. ( Trebas 13k za jedan )

Tvrtke ce ja sam 99% siguran placati u ETHu.
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E sad me puno pitaš Grin

Trebalo bi sjesti i detaljno proučiti WP, pošto imam već dosta love u ovome napraviti ću to tijekom godišnjeg.

Treba 13.000 EVT-a (po nekim prvim računicama) da možeš imati node i validirati podatke. To je jedan od razloga jer ćeš validacijom i zarađivati.

Da, to zarađivanje s validacijskim nodeom je trebalo biti moje drugo pitanje  Grin Tko će meni dati tu zaradu? Hoće li se određeni postotak tokena koje tvrtka koja radi event dodijeli tom eventu rezervirati za nodeove, a ostatak na korisnike koji će glasati? Pretpostavljam da će biti tako, ali nikad ne znaš...  Smiley
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E sad me puno pitaš Grin

Trebalo bi sjesti i detaljno proučiti WP, pošto imam već dosta love u ovome napraviti ću to tijekom godišnjeg.

Treba 13.000 EVT-a (po nekim prvim računicama) da možeš imati node i validirati podatke. To je jedan od razloga jer ćeš validacijom i zarađivati.
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Ček, sad mi jedna stvar nije jasna. Koja je uloga EVT tokena osim da budu nagrada na eventima? Mislim, zašto bi netko kupio 1.000 EVT tokena ako ih ja hoću prodati? Osim toga, što će biti nagrada kasnije ako sve EVT tokene podijele u alpha i beta fazi?
Jedino što mi pada na pamet je da tvrtke koje će koristiti Eventum platformu za svoje evente moraju na burzi kupiti EVT tokene koje će podijeliti kroz event. Ali zar neće to onda biti vrlo mali broj kupaca koji će kupovati puno tokena i jako puno prodavača koji će prodavati tokene? Ako bude tako, svaka kupnja bi mogla značajno utjecati na cijenu. Na primjer, želim organizirati event u kojem ću podijeliti 100.000 EVT tokena. Znači da ja te tokene moram kupiti na burzi. A tu neće biti "whaleova" s velikom količinom tokena nego puno manjih prodavača koji će svaki staviti neku svoju cijenu. Zbog toga bi kupnja mojih 100.000 EVT mogla značajno podići cijenu.
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Sad su opet malo "zaštekali" s eventima. Dok je bilo prvenstvo, bilo ih je baš dosta, a sad opet suša. Kad su već smanjili nagrade, mogli su barem povećati broj evenata...

Moj razgovor s njima u Telegram temi:

Admin: Yes, I forgot to answer (@frka86) that had the same question. Our Ecosystem fund is and will remain to be at 100 million EVT and the entirety will be distributed through Alpha events (classical bounties are not included in this). The fund is intended for developers to test different use-cases to real world problems through events. Anyhow, we currently dialed down the rewards to see how the community and participation is affected and to see what the actual price value of each event is. While EVT rewards might eventually increase, except ETH rewards to eventually disappear in future events - they were rewarded to every early Alpha participant as an extra incentive, but we ultimately cannot continue distributing both without affecting future viability of the project.

Ja: yea, but if you still have 85+ mil EVTs to give out during alpha, we will reach beta phase in 2 years Cheesy

Admin: There are two options, either to increase the number of events or increase the reward pool for each event. We planned to hold the events until the platform is fully launched on the mainnet in Q4 this year, but we're not entirely ruling out having them for additional few months next year. But just to settle concerns, beta phase will also have events, just more specialized versions depending on developers' needs. There will also be type of events you want that the community will be able to vote upon and we will also be accepting community suggestions for the events. There's a lot coming in future months to be sure. :wink:

Eto, do kraja godine planiraju raspodijeliti još hrpu para - ali gotovo sve u tokenima.
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I meni bas nedostaju eventi Smiley Proveravao svaki dan za vreme prvenstva, sad vise ni ne proveravam, verovatno cu i da propustim sledeci jer necu da vidim kada ga izbace. A kada ce biti moguce uzeti nod, mislim da sam skupio dovoljno? Wink
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Sad su opet malo "zaštekali" s eventima. Dok je bilo prvenstvo, bilo ih je baš dosta, a sad opet suša. Kad su već smanjili nagrade, mogli su barem povećati broj evenata...
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Ima li informacija kad će isplatiti Etherium i EVT tokene na Main networku?
Razmišljam da li bi bilo moguće transferirati/prodati ETV tokene dok se nalaze na Ropsten Test Networku?

Cim se obavi TGE. Pito sam nedavno kada bi to trebalo bit i kazu uskoro... Tocan datum sumnjam da itko zna.

Nemozes ih prodat jos.
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Ima li informacija kad će isplatiti Etherium i EVT tokene na Main networku?
Razmišljam da li bi bilo moguće transferirati/prodati ETV tokene dok se nalaze na Ropsten Test Networku?
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*ZAMOLBA*

Ukoliko ste zadovoljni ovim projektom i zeljeli bi ste mi se zahvalit na neki nacin posto su neki od vas napravili desetke tisuca kuna  dosao sam do jedne ideje... Poprilicno siguran da sam stvorio lifetime Eventum Armiju i da podosta nasih ljudi zbog mene malenog Hrvata znaju za ovaj projekt i koristit ce ga u buduce a mozda i investirat u njega kada izade na exchangeove... zamolio bih vas jednu stvar... A to je sljedece:

Posaljite na ovaj mail ( [email protected] ) par rijeci o meni (dannysavage) kako se trudim stvarno pomoc timu sto je vise moguce i zasto vam se svida ovaj projekt i zasto ce te ga koristit u buduce... bas bas bas bih vam bio zahvalan kada bi preferirali u mailu da dobijem neke extra bonuse u EVT tokenima ili ETHu... Takodje im posaljite ako imate neke prijedloge za poboljsanje platforme ili sto god vam padne na pamet... Bas bi vam stvarno bio neopisivo zahvalan...

Nadam se da ce bar desetak vas to uciniti.

Hvala unaprijed! Smiley

Evo, ja jesam. Stvarno si zaslužio jer je projekt zanimljiv, a i zarada je do sad bila odlična. Naravno da bilo za očekivati da tako velika zarada potraje, ali nije ni potrebno. Bolje da povećaju broj evenata i time daju mogućnost za veću zaradu.


Hvala ti! Smiley
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*ZAMOLBA*

Ukoliko ste zadovoljni ovim projektom i zeljeli bi ste mi se zahvalit na neki nacin posto su neki od vas napravili desetke tisuca kuna  dosao sam do jedne ideje... Poprilicno siguran da sam stvorio lifetime Eventum Armiju i da podosta nasih ljudi zbog mene malenog Hrvata znaju za ovaj projekt i koristit ce ga u buduce a mozda i investirat u njega kada izade na exchangeove... zamolio bih vas jednu stvar... A to je sljedece:

Posaljite na ovaj mail ( [email protected] ) par rijeci o meni (dannysavage) kako se trudim stvarno pomoc timu sto je vise moguce i zasto vam se svida ovaj projekt i zasto ce te ga koristit u buduce... bas bas bas bih vam bio zahvalan kada bi preferirali u mailu da dobijem neke extra bonuse u EVT tokenima ili ETHu... Takodje im posaljite ako imate neke prijedloge za poboljsanje platforme ili sto god vam padne na pamet... Bas bi vam stvarno bio neopisivo zahvalan...

Nadam se da ce bar desetak vas to uciniti.

Hvala unaprijed! Smiley

Evo, ja jesam. Stvarno si zaslužio jer je projekt zanimljiv, a i zarada je do sad bila odlična. Naravno da bilo za očekivati da tako velika zarada potraje, ali nije ni potrebno. Bolje da povećaju broj evenata i time daju mogućnost za veću zaradu.
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