So much talk and 0 action, lets actually make a sovereign territory - page 4.

Mike Christ

legendary

Activity: 1078

Merit: 1003

Quote from: Anon136 on April 27, 2013, 04:08:43 PM

yea but they could have focused their efforts towards taking over a sovereign entity not some local government in the united states. ooh look were going to abolish parking tickets!

Regime change starts at home. Besides, while they're working on breaking apart the tyrannical America from the inside-out (an important step if you want your libertarian society to thrive without America tripping itself, knocking over its own buildings, then saying your nation done it so they can bomb the fuck outta ya and spread their disease named "freedom and democracy" to your 'oppressed' people), we can focus on spreading real freedom elsewhere.

myrkul

hero member

Activity: 532

Merit: 500

FIAT LIBERTAS RVAT CAELVM

Quote from: Anon136 on April 27, 2013, 04:00:26 PM

Quote from: myrkul on April 27, 2013, 03:57:51 PM

Quote from: Mike Christ on April 27, 2013, 03:55:35 PM

Hrmm fight the bankers with their own game. That's something I've never heard before.

http://freestateproject.org/

Yea except that plan is fucking idiotic. They are going to get steamrolled.

They're making progress. And they don't even have everyone moved yet.

zeroday

donator

Activity: 784

Merit: 1000

Sovereign territory?
Impossible, because of slavish nature of the majority of human beings.

So, may be on Mars it would work.

Anon136

legendary

Activity: 1722

Merit: 1217

Quote from: Mike Christ on April 27, 2013, 04:03:41 PM

Quote from: myrkul on April 27, 2013, 03:57:51 PM

Quote from: Mike Christ on April 27, 2013, 03:55:35 PM

Hrmm fight the bankers with their own game. That's something I've never heard before.

http://freestateproject.org/

I've seen this before; seems to be a good step in the right direction. "Divided we fall, united we stand." A whole bunch of libertarians united in one spot will be much more likely to edit law in a favorable way.

yea but they could have focused their efforts towards taking over a sovereign entity not some local government in the united states. ooh look were going to abolish parking tickets!

manfred

legendary

Activity: 966

Merit: 1001

Energy is Wealth

The "Principality of Hutt River" claims to be an independent sovereign state having achieved legal status on 21 April 1972, although it remains unrecognised except by other micronations. It has 30 full time residents, and 13,000-18,000 overseas citizens and is 75 square kilometres big, its one flag currency, seal and passport. Any Aussies here who would have a chat with Prince Leonard I of Hutt ? The PHR do not pay taxes to the ATO. Hong Kong recognises Hutt River as a legitimate state in regards of incorporation for a company, but is reviewing the recognition after the issue was raised in an adverse manner by Australian media. Cant see why being land locked is an issue.

Wikilink http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Hutt_River

conspirosphere.tk

legendary

Activity: 2352

Merit: 1064

Bitcoin is antisemitic

or google for "habitable uninhabited islands". I heard there are about 5 thousands.

Mike Christ

legendary

Activity: 1078

Merit: 1003

Quote from: myrkul on April 27, 2013, 03:57:51 PM

Quote from: Mike Christ on April 27, 2013, 03:55:35 PM

Hrmm fight the bankers with their own game. That's something I've never heard before.

http://freestateproject.org/

I've seen this before; seems to be a good step in the right direction. "Divided we fall, united we stand." A whole bunch of libertarians united in one spot will be much more likely to edit law in a favorable way.

DeathAndTaxes

donator

Activity: 1218

Merit: 1079

Gerald Davis

Quote from: manfred on April 27, 2013, 03:53:13 PM

"Principality of Hutt River" and "Freedom Christianity" out of question only remains the Pitcain Islands.

The islands are inhabited by the descendants of the Bounty mutineers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitcairn_Islands

The Pitcairn islands are not sovereign. They are an overseas territory of the United Kingdom.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_list_of_Non-Self-Governing_Territories#Current_entries

manfred

legendary

Activity: 966

Merit: 1001

Energy is Wealth

Quote

hey i remember reading a book about those guys ages ago. I wonder if we just brought them a nice little pile of gold if we could get them to let us have a little piece of land

They probably happy if u just move there.

Anon136

legendary

Activity: 1722

Merit: 1217

Quote from: myrkul on April 27, 2013, 03:57:51 PM

Quote from: Mike Christ on April 27, 2013, 03:55:35 PM

Hrmm fight the bankers with their own game. That's something I've never heard before.

http://freestateproject.org/

Yea except that plan is fucking idiotic. They are going to get steamrolled.

Anon136

legendary

Activity: 1722

Merit: 1217

remember guys a single square mile of real capitalism could probably outshine the entire globe. We dont have to shoot for the moon here.

myrkul

hero member

Activity: 532

Merit: 500

FIAT LIBERTAS RVAT CAELVM

Quote from: Mike Christ on April 27, 2013, 03:55:35 PM

Hrmm fight the bankers with their own game. That's something I've never heard before.

http://freestateproject.org/

Anon136

legendary

Activity: 1722

Merit: 1217

Mike Christ

legendary

Activity: 1078

Merit: 1003

Quote from: Anon136 on April 27, 2013, 03:50:48 PM

Quote from: DeathAndTaxes on April 27, 2013, 03:47:06 PM

Quote from: conspirosphere.tk on April 27, 2013, 03:39:22 PM

Acquiring and defending land and sovereignty on it would be probably be unprofitable I guess, but in case anyone would like to explore the matter, here is a place to start:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323820304578410573747048086.html

But it would be infinitely cheaper and better to imitate the banksters and just buy the legitimate government of any country you fancy to do (and let it do) whatever you like while remaining out of the lights.

This. There are some very small (very poor) nations where say ten billion dollars could likely buy you enough power (and immigrants = votes) to "reform" the local government into whatever you wanted.

For example Tuval has a population of ~10,000 persons, a GDP of $36 million and yet is recognized as a sovereign nation by just about every existing nation and the UN.

HELL YES now you are talking. Lets do this, lets crowed fund the take over of that government by a bunch of hard core libertarians! If we elected the right people, could we actually elect people that would dismantle the government? Is there one among us who is actually strong enough to carry saurons dark ring to mount doom and actually do it, actually cast it into the fires?

Hrmm fight the bankers with their own game. That's something I've never heard before.

manfred

legendary

Activity: 966

Merit: 1001

Energy is Wealth

Anon136

legendary

Activity: 1722

Merit: 1217

Quote from: DeathAndTaxes on April 27, 2013, 03:47:06 PM

Quote from: conspirosphere.tk on April 27, 2013, 03:39:22 PM

Acquiring and defending land and sovereignty on it would be probably be unprofitable I guess, but in case anyone would like to explore the matter, here is a place to start:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323820304578410573747048086.html

But it would be infinitely cheaper and better to imitate the banksters and just buy the legitimate government of any country you fancy to do (and let it do) whatever you like while remaining out of the lights.

This. There are some very small (very poor) nations where say ten billion dollars could likely buy you enough power (and immigrants = votes) to "reform" the local government into whatever you wanted.

For example Tuval has a population of ~10,000 persons, a GDP of $36 million and yet is recognized as a sovereign nation by just about every existing nation and the UN.

HELL YES now you are talking. Lets do this, lets crowed fund the take over of that government by a bunch of hard core libertarians! If we elected the right people, could we actually elect people that would dismantle the government? Is there one among us who is actually strong enough to carry saurons dark ring to mount doom and actually do it, actually cast it into the fires?

DeathAndTaxes

donator

Activity: 1218

Merit: 1079

Gerald Davis

Quote from: conspirosphere.tk on April 27, 2013, 03:39:22 PM

Acquiring and defending land and sovereignty on it would be probably be unprofitable I guess, but in case anyone would like to explore the matter, here is a place to start:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323820304578410573747048086.html

But it would be infinitely cheaper and better to imitate the banksters and just buy the legitimate government of any country you fancy to do (and let it do) whatever you like while remaining out of the lights.

This. There are some very small (very poor) nations where say ten billion dollars could likely buy you enough power (and immigrants = votes) to "reform" the local government into whatever you wanted.

For example Tuval has a population of ~10,000 persons, a GDP of $36 million and yet is recognized as a sovereign nation by just about every existing nation and the UN.

Anon136

legendary

Activity: 1722

Merit: 1217

Quote from: DeathAndTaxes on April 27, 2013, 03:28:17 PM

Quote from: Anon136 on April 27, 2013, 03:17:48 PM

Quote from: DeathAndTaxes on April 27, 2013, 03:10:32 PM

Are you planning on building an artificial island?
There is no land* which isn't the land/territory/protectorate of an existing country.

The sole exception being Antarctica however the vast majority of existing nations have signed a UN treaty to prevent that land from being claimed by any existing or new nation.

well you know if we had to pay a part of the funding inorder to purchase the island from a sovereign than it could be arranged. If a big name like stef or tom woods got behind this we could probably raise enough.

Land is the one thing for which global demand (on any extended timespan) is always increasing and nobody is increasing the supply. A country will gladly give you deed to land UNDER THEIR SOVEREIGN RULE however countries generally do not willingly party with territory. Nations are a sort of "good ole boys club" with no vacancies available (without the use of force)*.

* In the last sixty years the only "new" countries were either nations where the existing government fell and was replaced by a government under the name of a new nation or nations which split into multiple new nations (i.e. Yugoslavia) after years of internal conflict.

what if we were to pay an existing soveriegn 10 times what about 100 times, 1000 times the asking price and only take a VERY tiny island? Theoretically an existing internationally recognized sovereign could agree to relinquish its claim of sovereignty over a small piece of land. Of course we would quickly find a sponsor nation that we could fly as a flag of convenience for a price. All this would be pricy. But i really think so many people want it who knows how much a well backed crowed-funding campaign could raise.

conspirosphere.tk

legendary

Activity: 2352

Merit: 1064

Bitcoin is antisemitic

Acquiring and defending land and sovereignty on it would be probably unprofitable I guess, but in case anyone would like to explore the matter, here is a place to start:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323820304578410573747048086.html

But it would be infinitely cheaper and better to imitate the banksters and just buy the legitimate government of any country you fancy to do (and let it do) whatever you like while remaining out of the spotlight.

manfred

legendary

Activity: 966

Merit: 1001

Energy is Wealth

That why i think the "Principality of Hutt River" is a good start. better maybe the Pitcain Islands. The islands are inhabited by the descendants of the Bounty mutineers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitcairn_Islands

Topic: So much talk and 0 action, lets actually make a sovereign territory - page 4. (Read 3971 times)