Topic: So much talk and 0 action, lets actually make a sovereign territory - page 5. (Read 3971 times)

Land is the one thing for which global demand (on any extended timespan) is always increasing  and nobody is increasing the supply.  A country will gladly give you deed to land UNDER THEIR SOVEREIGN RULE however countries generally do not willingly party with territory.  Nations are a sort of "good ole boys club" with no vacancies available (without the use of force)*.  It is the obvious "oversight" entities like the UN deal with interactions between existing nations however they almost intentionally pretend that all these nations have always existed and will always exist and no other nation has ever or will ever exist.  For all the pomp and diplomacy nations are formed by violence. 

This covers the issue pretty well
http://www.worldislandinfo.com/Starting%20island%20country.html

The only likely scenario for creating a new nation would be geoforming a new island in international water (which is very deep).  We are taking an engineering project to rival the best the human race has accomplished and something on the scale of tens of billions of dollars, millions of man hours, and years (if not decades) in the making.

A more plausible shorter scale scenario would be a very large ship (i.e. floating nation) or other manmade structure (deep water oil platform) or possibly a seastading community using a platform as a "home base" of sorts.


* In the last sixty years the only "new" countries were either nations where the existing government fell and was replaced by a government under the name of a new nation or nations which split into multiple new nations (i.e. Yugoslavia) after years of internal conflict.

We would have to homestead it. You don't by any chance have a vessel that can take us there do you mr. beyond?

Yes. Let's claim Mars as our territory.

I'm in. I say we elect a king, and then draft a constitution completely stripping him of powers. He's just there as a figurehead.

Well, I suppose we could colonize mars.

well you know if we had to pay a part of the funding inorder to purchase the island from a soveriegn than it could be arranged. If a big name like stef or tom woods got behind this we could probably raise enough.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terra_nullius#Current_terrae_nullius

Are you planning on building an artificial island?
There is no land* which isn't the land/territory/protectorate of an existing country.

The major exception being Antarctica however the vast majority of existing nations have signed a UN treaty to prevent that land from being claimed by any existing or new nation.   There are a few unstable volcanic formations which may extend above the sea level but nothing capable of supporting even the smallest of communities (think rock a few acres large barely sticking out of the water).

You can buy a private island but that would put you under an existing sovereign:
http://www.privateislandsonline.com/

One example of a propsal to form a "free citystate" which however would still be under US federal sovreignty.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/01/28/would-you-pay-300000-to-become-a-citizen-of-this-proposed-free-market-utopia-in-detroit/
http://www.commonwealthofbelleisle.com/

It seems like every other day someone makes a post about how we ought to make our own nation. About how its such a great idea. +1 +1 +1 they say. Well saying +1 isn't going to make it fucking happen. So enough talking about how cool it would be, lets instead talk logistics.

It seems to me that step one is find a location. it seems to me that it should be an island and it should be close to the US since thats where most of us live but not TOO close to the US for obvious reasons. It needs to have fresh water. It needs to be accessible. We need to be able to grow atleast a little bit of food and it needs to have atleast a little bit of wild game. So step 1 is compile a list of all available candidate islands and then we can move onto weighing the costs and benefits of each option.

(please dont stop reading just because of the next few words libertarian anarchists) In order to be recognized by the international community we will need a government. Now i know many of you are recoiling in horror but not only would there be a general lack of belief in the legitimacy of the government, there would actually be a general understanding that the government was illegitimate by design. Since all governments rely on the perception of legitimacy among its constituency there would be no fear of this government ever taking over, we would all know that it was ceremonial and nothing more. So if we need a government i say lets keep it as simple as possible, if we elect 300 members of congress they could potentially begin to conspire, i say we just elect a new dictator every year and according to the law no dictator can ever hold his position for more than 1 term. Also if more than 50% of the population signs a petition to have him removed from office than he can be removed from office at any time. Basically we will need this person to organize the migration, charter the boats and sign treaties with other nations. My personal recommendation and vote goes to doug casey as he is an anarchist and has some experience in these matters and i think he would get a serious kick out of writing "the anarchist king" on his tomb stone  

Next we need to figure out how much its going to cost or at-least a rough estimate so we can set a funding goal

then finally we need to raise the funds. This could be accomplished through crowed funding (like kick-starter). Those who pledged to the campaign would be rewarded with a deed to a piece of property on the island that corresponded to their contribution (if they donated 1% of they funds they get 1% of the land) This way pledging would not only be a charitable act, it could be considered an investment, after-all a piece of property in galt's gulch could end up being the most valuable piece of realestate on the planet very quickly. Considering that land is a heterogeneous good we should probably use some sort of raffle system to make the distribution provably fair.

the tough thing is raising the amount of money we are talking about here would require some reliable escrow providers. Inorder to make this thing work we would need a big fish to do the escrow for us. By big i mean stefan molineaux or tom woods ect.

anyway im going to start on step one now and search for candidate islands.