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September 04, 2017, 07:12:09 PM
#94
The only bitcoin bubble whose crash lasted for more than a few months was from Mt Gox dying. That was the most catastrophic thing to happen to bitcoin, so unless you think a similar event is going to happen soon, what you are predicting is extremely unlikely. Without a catastrophic catalyst like that, we're probably not gonna have any bubble pops that last for more than a few months. The buy pressure and increasing userbase/adoption is just too damn strong to possibly allow a down period of a year or more.

The problem is that the "adoption" we think to see now, in reality, is only speculation. And, at least in part, speculation of the worst kind. A significant part of the demand is based on MLM schemes in many parts of the world and other scams.

When these schemes pop, then we'll have disappointed "potential customers" all over the world.

No, I'm not saying "it already popped". What's presently happening is a normal correction/downmove. But I don't think we'll go steady up to 10K and more from now. My prediction is that the large crash is still before us - when the price increases are too slow to feed the MLM schemes (maybe we have already seen 2017's high at ~4950) and they pop.

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I wouldn't even call this a bubble at all. Look at past bitcoin bubbles. The price increased 10-fold or 30-fold or whatever in a couple of months. This has been a gradual increase, up 10-fold in over a year, not in two months. That suggests steady solid growth, not a frenzy induced bubble that will pop.

I have heard this argument many times, but I don't agree. With a higher market cap, it becomes increasingly more difficult for the price to increase drastically. With a low market cap, you put in a few million dollars and the price doubles or triples. In the present situation, that's not longer true.

Bitcoin has now a market cap that's more similar to major stocks. Every stock that almost doubled in a month will be considered in a bubble if it's not justified by some big achievement.




KEY difference here: bitcoin is not a stock!!!

It is not a single company's shares, it is an entire global payment platform and currency. Yes its market cap is now the size of pretty big companies, and yet bitcoin's global adoption is absolutely microscopic still. You can't compare bitcoin's market cap to the stock of a single company. A better comparison is gold. Bitcoin is about 1% the size of the gold market cap. So it terms of bitcoin's potential it is in fact still a very very low market cap, which is why it can grow a lot and simply get a correction, like it is currently getting, and then keep growing, without collapsing in a bubble pop as long as adoption continues to grow.

People really shouldn't even be talking about bitcoin being in a bubble unless it gets into the 6-digits but isn't actually used for payments much, that would tell you that there is a ton of investor money in it without it actually being used much. So talking about a bitcoin bubble at $5000 is just a complete joke.
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September 04, 2017, 06:45:56 PM
#93
That's right, we're all in a bubble, but this bubble can continue to continue if it is not punctured. In other words, if it is stable, it will last forever, but if it is affected badly, it can break down at any time.
but i do not think that we are in bubble because i think that the it is the actual  price of bitcoin which has more potential to increase its price.
i also do not think that we are in the bubble, because i think that still there is more potential in the price of bitcoin to increase. i think bitcoin price will even continue increasing and still i consider that it will be a very safe investment if a person will invest money in bitcoin right now, because i have fully trust on bitcoin that its price will continue increasing.
legendary
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September 03, 2017, 06:50:28 PM
#92
I don't think we are at the public phase yet; people aren't talking about btc as they should.
You are confusing the "adoption curve" (the usage of Bitcoin by real people, a "real-world economy" topic) with a "bubble curve" (the speculation on future usage, a "financial economy" topic).
It's the same if some people say "Bitcoin IS a bubble" and not "Bitcoin [sometimes] HAS (experiences) bubbles".

Mainstream adoption in Bitcoin can be also achieved after many, many bubble cycles. And we had bubbles even much before of any mainstream adoption (2011/13, when Bitcoin almost only existed on one single website - MtGox!).
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September 03, 2017, 06:35:34 PM
#91
That's right, we're all in a bubble, but this bubble can continue to continue if it is not punctured. In other words, if it is stable, it will last forever, but if it is affected badly, it can break down at any time.
but i do not think that we are in bubble because i think that the it is the actual  price of bitcoin which has more potential to increase its price. i am sure that the price of bitcoin will very soon recover its price therefore i think we do not need to worry about the price of bitcoin and should invest more and more money in bitcoin because the price of bitcoin will still continue to increase.
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September 03, 2017, 04:39:31 PM
#90
I don't think we are at the public phase yet; people aren't talking about btc as they should.
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September 03, 2017, 03:49:22 PM
#89
7k USD by the end of the year, my two cents. Bubble or not, that is where we are heading...

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September 03, 2017, 03:04:01 PM
#88
That's right, we're all in a bubble, but this bubble can continue to continue if it is not punctured. In other words, if it is stable, it will last forever, but if it is affected badly, it can break down at any time.
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September 03, 2017, 10:33:45 AM
#87
Partially for a long time bitcoin is a bubble. The only positive effect on the economy from bitcoin is to stimulate the production of computer equipment. It's good, but this is very small in order to be able to say that bitcoin the currency is reliable and has support. Fixed capital investment in bitcoin is speculative. This is a typical sign of a bubble.
However, if you can understand this is bubble growht of Bitcoin while you can earn profit from it, it still well.
For me, the bubble growth of Bitcoin never breakdown in this year, it just getting started and have not reason make that worst future become true.
legendary
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September 03, 2017, 10:04:18 AM
#86
The only bitcoin bubble whose crash lasted for more than a few months was from Mt Gox dying. That was the most catastrophic thing to happen to bitcoin, so unless you think a similar event is going to happen soon, what you are predicting is extremely unlikely. Without a catastrophic catalyst like that, we're probably not gonna have any bubble pops that last for more than a few months. The buy pressure and increasing userbase/adoption is just too damn strong to possibly allow a down period of a year or more.

The problem is that the "adoption" we think to see now, in reality, is only speculation. And, at least in part, speculation of the worst kind. A significant part of the demand is based on MLM schemes in many parts of the world and other scams.

When these schemes pop, then we'll have disappointed "potential customers" all over the world.

No, I'm not saying "it already popped". What's presently happening is a normal correction/downmove. But I don't think we'll go steady up to 10K and more from now. My prediction is that the large crash is still before us - when the price increases are too slow to feed the MLM schemes (maybe we have already seen 2017's high at ~4950) and they pop.

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I wouldn't even call this a bubble at all. Look at past bitcoin bubbles. The price increased 10-fold or 30-fold or whatever in a couple of months. This has been a gradual increase, up 10-fold in over a year, not in two months. That suggests steady solid growth, not a frenzy induced bubble that will pop.

I have heard this argument many times, but I don't agree. With a higher market cap, it becomes increasingly more difficult for the price to increase drastically. With a low market cap, you put in a few million dollars and the price doubles or triples. In the present situation, that's not longer true.

Bitcoin has now a market cap that's more similar to major stocks. Every stock that almost doubled in a month will be considered in a bubble if it's not justified by some big achievement.
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September 03, 2017, 07:17:17 AM
#85
Partially for a long time bitcoin is a bubble. The only positive effect on the economy from bitcoin is to stimulate the production of computer equipment. It's good, but this is very small in order to be able to say that bitcoin the currency is reliable and has support. Fixed capital investment in bitcoin is speculative. This is a typical sign of a bubble.
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September 03, 2017, 12:14:22 AM
#84
People are really loves of speculations...they bought some Bitcoin because of its speculative value and they keep on speculating again when Bitcoin can go bust. Maybe it is really part of our human nature to be thinking of the days ahead even if we know that we are essentially powerless to know for sure.

Are we in the bubble? Of course not, we are seeing here is correction and we know that Bitcoin has so many corrections precisely because it wants to avoid the BIG BUBBLE.

But we are already in the bubble, and we are continuing to go up.

We really haven't had any major corrections until this one, from the start of August. And we are almost at double the price that we have seen a month ago right now. And that price at the start of august was already very very high.

How is this not a bubble? Please explain to me.

It's always hard to predict where we are exactly in a bubble, but i think that we are nearing the mid to late stages of the bubble. Definitely near mania phase.
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September 02, 2017, 09:53:54 PM
#83
People are really loves of speculations...they bought some Bitcoin because of its speculative value and they keep on speculating again when Bitcoin can go bust. Maybe it is really part of our human nature to be thinking of the days ahead even if we know that we are essentially powerless to know for sure.

Are we in the bubble? Of course not, we are seeing here is correction and we know that Bitcoin has so many corrections precisely because it wants to avoid the BIG BUBBLE.
legendary
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September 02, 2017, 09:34:25 PM
#82

We are close to, if not already at the new paradigm level. The correction from yesterday could potentially be the first sell off, and the next pump may be the bull trap coming in. Obviously it is hard to judge but this is what i think is happening.

People are saying that this is not a bubble and others are predicting crazy growth for next year. I think this is a very clear indicator that people are extremely greedy right now, and when the mania ends the price will correct down to at least $3.5k.

Also, for anyone interested, goldman sachs predicted that the price of bitcoin would top at around $4800. They seem to be reasonably accurate looking at it right now. I think that the prediction by goldman sachs caused the sell-off at near $5k, rather than the other way round.

We're not even remotely close to mainstream. Care to explain how we're already in a phase that we're literally too small of a market cap to be in? Does 1 in every thousand people in the world own some bitcoins? How about 1/ 1 million? Lol.
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September 02, 2017, 09:29:01 PM
#81
I know y'all have seen this diagram before, and with BTC just crossing $3,800 as I type, where do you think we are in the bubble?



Aw man so cuz I'm a noob it won't post the image... Oh well. Its basically that "main stages of a bubble" chart. Which crypto most definitely is in. But are we just beginning the true ascent, or have we reached the peak? Thoughts?

We are close to, if not already at the new paradigm level. The correction from yesterday could potentially be the first sell off, and the next pump may be the bull trap coming in. Obviously it is hard to judge but this is what i think is happening.

People are saying that this is not a bubble and others are predicting crazy growth for next year. I think this is a very clear indicator that people are extremely greedy right now, and when the mania ends the price will correct down to at least $3.5k.

Also, for anyone interested, goldman sachs predicted that the price of bitcoin would top at around $4800. They seem to be reasonably accurate looking at it right now. I think that the prediction by goldman sachs caused the sell-off at near $5k, rather than the other way round.
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September 02, 2017, 08:49:52 PM
#80
you must unlearn what you have learned.

Do not try and predict the bubble. That's impossible. Instead only realize the truth... There is no bubble. Then you will see it is not the bubble that pops, it is yourself.

That's BS. Over 1000% of profits in a year and yet this is not a bubble?

Plus, this is what everyone says when there is a bubble. Everyone is over-optimistic and seems to have no logical thinking skills whatsoever. There are people out there predicting $7k+ for this month, which i believe in absurd. It could happen, but then the bubble just got bigger.

If bitcoin actually improved 10x as a currency and functioned better, as well as getting more users then sure, this 1000% rise isn't a bubble. But it probably hasn't even doubled its attributes or user base since last year.

I think that we are in the mania phase already judging from how the price is going atm.
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September 02, 2017, 08:02:58 PM
#79
No bubble here my friend. Every time media scream bubble bitcoin always reaches a new height
Maybe, you are newbie in Bitcoin market so you have that thought. If you think Bitcoin have not bubble, you are wrong and this opinion will make you loss a lot of money before you understand that. An asset grow x4 in short time why cannot call is bubble?

Twitter and apple shares on american stock exchanges also made huge multiplier runs. So are Apple and Twitter scams too?

Or if crude oil price makes 4x this year, will you also thing crude oil is not real and it's a scam?

I see very interesting comments in the forum last weeks.
legendary
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September 02, 2017, 07:17:19 PM
#78
Gonna pop soon, better dump and run.
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September 02, 2017, 11:38:03 AM
#77
I know y'all have seen this diagram before, and with BTC just crossing $3,800 as I type, where do you think we are in the bubble?



Aw man so cuz I'm a noob it won't post the image... Oh well. Its basically that "main stages of a bubble" chart. Which crypto most definitely is in. But are we just beginning the true ascent, or have we reached the peak? Thoughts?
Of course and the bubble is bursting exactly now. Sell if you have a brain!

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If you think Bitcoin have not bubble, you are wrong and this opinion will make you loss a lot of money before you understand that. An asset grow x4 in short time why cannot call is bubble?

God damn it, another Pajeet. Learn English or GTFO.
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September 02, 2017, 11:07:05 AM
#76
No bubble here my friend. Every time media scream bubble bitcoin always reaches a new height
Maybe, you are newbie in Bitcoin market so you have that thought. If you think Bitcoin have not bubble, you are wrong and this opinion will make you loss a lot of money before you understand that. An asset grow x4 in short time why cannot call is bubble?
sr. member
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September 02, 2017, 10:41:41 AM
#75
I know y'all have seen this diagram before, and with BTC just crossing $3,800 as I type, where do you think we are in the bubble?



Aw man so cuz I'm a noob it won't post the image... Oh well. Its basically that "main stages of a bubble" chart. Which crypto most definitely is in. But are we just beginning the true ascent, or have we reached the peak? Thoughts?


Certainly, this is not anywhere near a bubble. The prices didn't rise that high and fast plus it had several drops(corrections) along the way. And we are yet to far to reach the peak price of btc. Although this wave may get to a peak of about 4k-5500ish mark before it drops too far which can even go further as people start to panicksell. Which could also be a good time to get some butcoins for ourselves. But even i am not sure with this. But what im sure at is that the people with the strongest heart will reap great rewards in two years time.
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