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Topic: [SOLD OUT] Ninja Group Buy #4 - 30 Hosted ANTs + 7 - 290X [0/300] .3btc (Read 17812 times)

newbie
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Did we missed this info, or is this the first we are hearing this???

These problems were indeed mentioned on post #76 and #79 of the share information thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=491659.60
However, it was not quite clear what caused that in the first place.

I see, I've been only watching threads of the group buys...
sr. member
Activity: 462
Merit: 253
Did we missed this info, or is this the first we are hearing this???

These problems were indeed mentioned on post #76 and #79 of the share information thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=491659.60
However, it was not quite clear what caused that in the first place.
newbie
Activity: 57
Merit: 0
Fine print was y'all was supposed to all pay hosting fees if the BTC earnings didn't cover it.  Very very few did, so it put us in a bad predicament. Plus the DC fucked us over, turned everything off, fired my partner.  Then held all the gear hostage, we spent $3k with a lawyer to get it out.  At that point we had a BTC offer for all the ASIC gear from a private investor, and nowhere to power it so we liquidated it out and bought back the shares.  Per the contract, the failure to pay hosting should have resulted in a forfeiture, but we did better than that and bought out at market value of the ANTs for QTY on hand. 

Investor didn't want the VGA cards so they are just sitting here.  Had I not paid for the lawyer there would have been 0 returned.  We aren't done with the legal predicament here, so I think its plenty fair that the sale of that hardware help cover our operating losses first. But theres really no market for VGA right now so I just have a big credit card bill.

Yeah it sucks when things don't work out and the market goes the wrong way; I totally put my heart into this effort and more work than you could ever imagine and now have 1/4 the number of bitcoin I started with. 

We are letting those that redeemed for hardware (meeting their obligations) from this group buy participate in the bonus group buy. We'll also consider letting those that took the buyback participate (on a limited case-by-case basis) if they return the buyback btc.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bonus-ninja-group-buy-ninjacolocom-mining-cloud-beta-test-30gh-contract-624701

Thanks for your answer. I lacked this information, it does seem more fair now.
Good luck on your next projects.

Did we missed this info, or is this the first we are hearing this???
sr. member
Activity: 462
Merit: 253
Fine print was y'all was supposed to all pay hosting fees if the BTC earnings didn't cover it.  Very very few did, so it put us in a bad predicament. Plus the DC fucked us over, turned everything off, fired my partner.  Then held all the gear hostage, we spent $3k with a lawyer to get it out.  At that point we had a BTC offer for all the ASIC gear from a private investor, and nowhere to power it so we liquidated it out and bought back the shares.  Per the contract, the failure to pay hosting should have resulted in a forfeiture, but we did better than that and bought out at market value of the ANTs for QTY on hand. 

Investor didn't want the VGA cards so they are just sitting here.  Had I not paid for the lawyer there would have been 0 returned.  We aren't done with the legal predicament here, so I think its plenty fair that the sale of that hardware help cover our operating losses first. But theres really no market for VGA right now so I just have a big credit card bill.

Yeah it sucks when things don't work out and the market goes the wrong way; I totally put my heart into this effort and more work than you could ever imagine and now have 1/4 the number of bitcoin I started with. 

We are letting those that redeemed for hardware (meeting their obligations) from this group buy participate in the bonus group buy. We'll also consider letting those that took the buyback participate (on a limited case-by-case basis) if they return the buyback btc.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bonus-ninja-group-buy-ninjacolocom-mining-cloud-beta-test-30gh-contract-624701

Thanks for your answer. I lacked this information, it does seem more fair now.
Good luck on your next projects.
sf2
sr. member
Activity: 273
Merit: 250
hero member
Activity: 630
Merit: 500
Fine print was y'all was supposed to all pay hosting fees if the BTC earnings didn't cover it.  Very very few did, so it put us in a bad predicament. Plus the DC fucked us over, turned everything off, fired my partner.  Then held all the gear hostage, we spent $3k with a lawyer to get it out.  At that point we had a BTC offer for all the ASIC gear from a private investor, and nowhere to power it so we liquidated it out and bought back the shares.  Per the contract, the failure to pay hosting should have resulted in a forfeiture, but we did better than that and bought out at market value of the ANTs for QTY on hand. 

Investor didn't want the VGA cards so they are just sitting here.  Had I not paid for the lawyer there would have been 0 returned.  We aren't done with the legal predicament here, so I think its plenty fair that the sale of that hardware help cover our operating losses first. But theres really no market for VGA right now so I just have a big credit card bill.

Yeah it sucks when things don't work out and the market goes the wrong way; I totally put my heart into this effort and more work than you could ever imagine and now have 1/4 the number of bitcoin I started with. 

We are letting those that redeemed for hardware (meeting their obligations) from this group buy participate in the bonus group buy. We'll also consider letting those that took the buyback participate (on a limited case-by-case basis) if they return the buyback btc.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bonus-ninja-group-buy-ninjacolocom-mining-cloud-beta-test-30gh-contract-624701

hero member
Activity: 574
Merit: 500
Everyone here has had their shares bought back.  We have no further obligation to the group, the sale of the hardware is for us to recoup some of the losses we incurred running this group.

Didn't the hardware belong to the shareholders? Everyone involved here has had losses, it seems unfair that you are the one that gets the most recoup. Unless there's some fine prints in the OP that I missed.

Yeah, I am pretty much done with group buys, I lost on every one of them i did, serval by questionable actions by the group organizer. The only thing I have made money off of is PETA....

Ditto, PETA seems to be the only one being done on a truly professional basis. PETA 40% gain so far for me, MWNinja 50% loss/theft! KNCMiner failed to deliver 1 month late, DZ Miners coop (Black Arrow group buy) failed to deliver 3 months late.
newbie
Activity: 57
Merit: 0
Everyone here has had their shares bought back.  We have no further obligation to the group, the sale of the hardware is for us to recoup some of the losses we incurred running this group.

Didn't the hardware belong to the shareholders? Everyone involved here has had losses, it seems unfair that you are the one that gets the most recoup. Unless there's some fine prints in the OP that I missed.

Yeah, I am pretty much done with group buys, I lost on every one of them i did, serval by questionable actions by the group organizer. The only thing I have made money off of is PETA....
sr. member
Activity: 462
Merit: 253
Everyone here has had their shares bought back.  We have no further obligation to the group, the sale of the hardware is for us to recoup some of the losses we incurred running this group.

Didn't the hardware belong to the shareholders? Everyone involved here has had losses, it seems unfair that you are the one that gets the most recoup. Unless there's some fine prints in the OP that I missed.
hero member
Activity: 574
Merit: 500
Are you selling the 290x to group buy members? If so, how much for 1?

Yes, we have 7 290x's available.  We will sell them @ .75BTC each to members (plus shipping). You can apply your shares toward this as well if you are interested.

Is the income of the hardware sell divided amongst the "shareholder" ?
I've not seen any justification for the figure. The whole GB process has been shown to have used questionable (nicest interpretation) judgement, and dodgy (again kindest description) ethics. Until I see the whole story on this AND the math, MWNinja goes on negative trust.
hero member
Activity: 630
Merit: 500
Are you selling the 290x to group buy members? If so, how much for 1?

Yes, we have 7 290x's available.  We will sell them @ .75BTC each to members (plus shipping). You can apply your shares toward this as well if you are interested.

Is the income of the hardware sell divided amongst the "shareholder" ?

Could you please answer this?

Everyone here has had their shares bought back.  We have no further obligation to the group, the sale of the hardware is for us to recoup some of the losses we incurred running this group.
sr. member
Activity: 462
Merit: 253
Are you selling the 290x to group buy members? If so, how much for 1?

Yes, we have 7 290x's available.  We will sell them @ .75BTC each to members (plus shipping). You can apply your shares toward this as well if you are interested.

Is the income of the hardware sell divided amongst the "shareholder" ?

Could you please answer this?
newbie
Activity: 4
Merit: 0
The majority of buyouts went out in this transaction d32a5df08a44751d57231999b352ecfcabf6d1a40ccb2e178866a153223b837f

The buyout price seems pretty low seeing that we paid .3btc for each share.  Just a touch over 10% from our initial investment(not to mention the value of a bitcoin was somewhere around $700 at the time of purchase if iirc).  Just curious how you came up with this amount/why you think it is fair?
full member
Activity: 188
Merit: 100
Are you selling the 290x to group buy members? If so, how much for 1?

Yes, we have 7 290x's available.  We will sell them @ .75BTC each to members (plus shipping). You can apply your shares toward this as well if you are interested.

Is the income of the hardware sell divided amongst the "shareholder" ?
hero member
Activity: 630
Merit: 500
The majority of buyouts went out in this transaction d32a5df08a44751d57231999b352ecfcabf6d1a40ccb2e178866a153223b837f
newbie
Activity: 38
Merit: 0
please send the buy back for my 2 shares to 1BZo9yFt74co9fTYbhiepgCHBtU3ie69Xn   

I am sorry that this group buy has to shutdown Sad
full member
Activity: 238
Merit: 100
We must become the pitiless censors of ourselves.
Unfortunately this group buy is no longer operating with a profit and will be wound-up.

We are winding-up this group buy, as well as group buy #1, #3, and #4.

Process for taking delivery (if you have multiples of 10 shares):
PM me for an invoice for the $99 fee, and will reply with an email address for you to send the shipping labels to. You need to provide your own shipping labels.  I'll post the exact dimensions and weight in an update tomorrow.

If you pre-paid hosting, we will return your unused hosting payment at the bitstamp rate. Give us a couple of days to let the dust settle and we'll get it out.

If you have less than 10 shares or if you don't contact me for shipping arrangements; we are buying back the shares at .035 each. We will complete the buyback on May 1st for Group Buy #1 -Group Buy #4 so please get in touch before then.

Do I need to acknowledge to receive my .035?
hero member
Activity: 630
Merit: 500
Are you selling the 290x to group buy members? If so, how much for 1?

Yes, we have 7 290x's available.  We will sell them @ .75BTC each to members (plus shipping). You can apply your shares toward this as well if you are interested.
hero member
Activity: 630
Merit: 500
Group 5 will continue, a small power fee (NOT the $14.99/mo) will be added to cover the electricity for those that no longer have shares.  We expect #5 to remain profitable for several months still.

Unfortunately this group buy is no longer operating with a profit and will be wound-up.

We are winding-up this group buy, as well as group buy #1, #3, and #4.

Process for taking delivery (if you have multiples of 10 shares):
PM me for an invoice for the $99 fee, and will reply with an email address for you to send the shipping labels to. You need to provide your own shipping labels.  I'll post the exact dimensions and weight in an update tomorrow.

If you pre-paid hosting, we will return your unused hosting payment at the bitstamp rate. Give us a couple of days to let the dust settle and we'll get it out.

If you have less than 10 shares or if you don't contact me for shipping arrangements; we are buying back the shares at .035 each. We will complete the buyback on May 1st for Group Buy #1 -Group Buy #4 so please get in touch before then.

Ninja,

GB 5 was dependent on other GBs good standing? What does this mean we have to do for GB 5 now?

Everyone else,

FYI I am interested in buying some shares to bring myself up to 10 total in GB 4 so I can acquire an Ant. I will post in the trade thread with my offer.

~Daemon
sr. member
Activity: 462
Merit: 253
Ninja,

GB 5 was dependent on other GBs good standing? What does this mean we have to do for GB 5 now?

Everyone else,

FYI I am interested in buying some shares to bring myself up to 10 total in GB 4 so I can acquire an Ant. I will post in the trade thread with my offer.

~Daemon

There's this info on GB5's page, I guess that this will apply:
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If you take delivery of hardware for your other shares and want to keep the 300kh/s of Scrypt, a $14.99 per month fee per share of Group Buy #5 will apply.
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