Topic: Solution to poverty - Socialism or Capitalism? - page 30. (Read 30796 times)
It really does not depend on capitalism or Socialism. We all know that there are several people around the world, which are living poor lives. And part from that, there are several people too who have earned so much money and got out of poverty. If someone has potential then there is no need to look at government. Government can only give them freedom.
Capitalism is our only hope. The Freedom to struggle, fail, succeed, and prosper is what give people hope and the desire to struggle to succeed. Succeed for themselves and their families. In a planned society, their is no light at the end of the tunnel to struggle to get to. Look at Cuba, Russia, North Korea. They are all failed Government run societies. If the government is going to punish people who want to build and struggle to succeed, people will stop trying.
Even China is slowly changing and allowing it's people to fight to grow and succeed.
China is now growing and will keep growing.
It is the Governments version of Capitalism, but Freedom is blooming in China, and I hope it will Bloom everywhere else.
The flowers in spring, are so beautiful.
Even China is slowly changing and allowing it's people to fight to grow and succeed.
China is now growing and will keep growing.
It is the Governments version of Capitalism, but Freedom is blooming in China, and I hope it will Bloom everywhere else.
The flowers in spring, are so beautiful.
The absolute ignorance of history that abounds here is appalling.
"Solving the world's problems discussing them on an Internet forum possible or not?"
Hey, we could have the next great world leader here among us.
But yes, unless the problem arises mostly by how people perceive the situation, you'd need more than talking about it on a forum.Solution to poverty 
If you mean end poverty, that's impossible
even today with great technology, poverty is still everywhere
The great solution to end poverty (for me) is everyone collaborate together
If you mean end poverty, that's impossible
even today with great technology, poverty is still everywhere
The great solution to end poverty (for me) is everyone collaborate together
I doubt there was any if much poverty in the bronze age, unless you were a slave. There were no zoning laws or property rights in the past, "might is right" is what established your property.
So, almost everyone was poor/a slave, except for the kings and their friends? Might makes right seems like such a lousy way to structure society (not that we're very far from that at present).
"Solving the world's problems discussing them on an Internet forum possible or not?"
Solution to poverty
If you mean end poverty, that's impossible
even today with great technology, poverty is still everywhere
The great solution to end poverty (for me) is everyone collaborate together
If you mean end poverty, that's impossible
even today with great technology, poverty is still everywhere
The great solution to end poverty (for me) is everyone collaborate together
I doubt there was any if much poverty in the bronze age, unless you were a slave. There were no zoning laws or property rights in the past, "might is right" is what established your property.
Solution to poverty
If you mean end poverty, that's impossible
even today with great technology, poverty is still everywhere
The great solution to end poverty (for me) is everyone collaborate together
If you mean end poverty, that's impossible
even today with great technology, poverty is still everywhere
The great solution to end poverty (for me) is everyone collaborate together
The is the root of the problem, but socialism does not agree on the definition of "collaboration".
For the socialist, it is altruism.
For the communist, it is forced altruism.
For the capitalist, it is trading.
Solution to poverty
If you mean end poverty, that's impossible
even today with great technology, poverty is still everywhere
The great solution to end poverty (for me) is everyone collaborate together
If you mean end poverty, that's impossible
even today with great technology, poverty is still everywhere
The great solution to end poverty (for me) is everyone collaborate together
In the twenty first century socialism vs capitalism is a false dichotomy - they are both flawed.
The solution is prosumerism - consumers taking control of the means of production and participating in the process of production via various processes and channels, including revenue sharing, crypto-equities (coins as shares etc), collaborative open source development, 3D printing and other home manufacturing, decentralization in general and ultimately the creation of customer owned DACs.
The solution is prosumerism - consumers taking control of the means of production and participating in the process of production via various processes and channels, including revenue sharing, crypto-equities (coins as shares etc), collaborative open source development, 3D printing and other home manufacturing, decentralization in general and ultimately the creation of customer owned DACs.
You are describing a business structure called a co-op.
Its not an economic ideology like Communism or Capitalism
No, what I am describing may include co-ops, but 3D printing is not a co-op, open source development does not necessarily take place within a co-op, etc.
These things already exist. Co-ops, 3D printers, open source software, etc..
Theyre not an economic philosophy and poverty continues to exist.
You think drop shipping a bunch of 3D printers to Bangladesh is gonna solve their poverty? Lol.
The solution is not capitalism or socialism.
Feudalism managed by a wise king can beat capitalism.
A tyrant might work even better. Everyone (except one) could be happy slaves.Feudalism managed by a wise king can beat capitalism.
It is true that most humans alive are descendant of slaves.
We can also say that millenniums of Civilization have selected the most submissive specimens.
Most people put themselves into slavery.
The solution is not capitalism or socialism.
Feudalism managed by a wise king can beat capitalism.
The problem is that adjective "wise." Kings, like politicians, rarely, if ever, get into power because they'll be good rulers. They get there because of their connections to the people who already have power (which would be genetics in the case of kings). Feudalism managed by a wise king can beat capitalism.
Survival of the Fittest is the law of nature. Capitalism is the economic version of this law of nature. There will always be at least one person who has less than everyone else, which by definition would make him/here "the poor". But Capitalism allows anyone to pull themselves out of that poor state, Socialism doesn't have that mechanism. Socialism doesn't have mobility. The freedom of mobility while poor is more valuable than not having the freedom of mobility and being middle class.
Additionally, business breeds business, capitalism success for one results in capitalism success for others...
I agree that capitalism allows for upward mobility (as well as downward), but it's simply not true that anyone can pull themselves up because not everyone has the opportunity. A lot of people get stuck in a poverty cycle. If your parents are uneducated and poor, then it's pretty likely that you won't get much of an education either. And without a decent education, there are very few opportunities for a better life. Flipping burgers at McDonald's won't get you out of poverty. Additionally, business breeds business, capitalism success for one results in capitalism success for others...
The solution is not capitalism or socialism.
Feudalism managed by a wise king can beat capitalism.
Feudalism managed by a wise king can beat capitalism.
A tyrant might work even better. Everyone (except one) could be happy slaves.
IMO it does not matter on the Socialism/Capitalism debate. A wise man once said the Poor will always be among us. Either way Government does not have the answers and I rather not give up my freedoms. Any society that gives people the freedoms and rights to choose their own fate is the way to go.
Agree, there will always be those who throw away their money down the drain, and the less fortunate who never had any money to throw down the drain. Something we can never prevent...but freedom is something we can control. Freedom is my choice
The solution is not capitalism or socialism.
Feudalism managed by a wise king can beat capitalism.
Feudalism managed by a wise king can beat capitalism.
Socialism / capitalism is not the solution. Poverty will always exist, it's impossible to all of people in the world being wealthy. We only need to care about each other and help each other. The rich can come from anywhere, but not everyone can be rich. There can be no superiors without subordinate
To those who favor Socialism, please help me understand what the incentive is (under Socialism) for one person to produce more or better than their neighbor?
What incentivises people to participate in volunteer projects? To spend money on charity? Create open source software?!!!This is a great response, didn't think of these. Good points, I concede this one. Thank you!
I still choose Capitalism, but these are great points.
In the twenty first century socialism vs capitalism is a false dichotomy - they are both flawed.
The solution is prosumerism - consumers taking control of the means of production and participating in the process of production via various processes and channels, including revenue sharing, crypto-equities (coins as shares etc), collaborative open source development, 3D printing and other home manufacturing, decentralization in general and ultimately the creation of customer owned DACs.
The solution is prosumerism - consumers taking control of the means of production and participating in the process of production via various processes and channels, including revenue sharing, crypto-equities (coins as shares etc), collaborative open source development, 3D printing and other home manufacturing, decentralization in general and ultimately the creation of customer owned DACs.
You are describing a business structure called a co-op.
Its not an economic ideology like Communism or Capitalism
No, what I am describing may include co-ops, but 3D printing is not a co-op, open source development does not necessarily take place within a co-op, etc.
To those who favor Socialism, please help me understand what the incentive is (under Socialism) for one person to produce more or better than their neighbor?
It's not communism so their is no restrictions to innovation or wage controls
Just think capitalism with a little red tide on the side why its called the Pink Wave.
To those who favor Socialism, please help me understand what the incentive is (under Socialism) for one person to produce more or better than their neighbor?
What incentivises people to participate in volunteer projects? To spend money on charity? Create open source software?!!! Jump to: