Topic: Solution to poverty - Socialism or Capitalism? - page 34. (Read 30782 times)
The solution to poverty is technology. If you have free energy you don't need money or economic systems . But technology is suppressed.
Socialism is a solution to poverty because everyone is poor, but nobody realizes it because everyone is the same.
If everyone is poor then everyone is worse off then they otherwise could be.
The true ideal would be for everyone to be rich enough to be satisfied
That way there would be no rich or poor but a competition based on skills and innovations to fill the time, simply put Maslows Hierarchy of Needs.
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Socialism is a solution to poverty because everyone is poor, but nobody realizes it because everyone is the same.
If everyone is poor then everyone is worse off then they otherwise could be.
Socialism is a solution to poverty because everyone is poor, but nobody realizes it because everyone is the same.
Not possible. Proof: Those who manage the redistribution by force, are not going to be poor. Stalin had a gold shitter.
True. Stalin and the apparatchiks were relatively wealthy in what was an impoverished and hellish reality.
Though if you told a contemporary Russian millionaire, never mind a billionaire, that the apparatchiks were wealthy then they would laugh at you. Stalin may have had a dacha with gold toilets but a Russian billionaire can have his own mega super yacht, A380 (biggest luxury plane), Caribbean islands, soccer teams, private armies and personal harems containing only the best looking super models.
Even the lifestyle of a millionaire in Russia is arguably better than any privileged Communist had decades ago.
Socialism is a solution to poverty because everyone is poor, but nobody realizes it because everyone is the same.
Not possible. Proof: Those who manage the redistribution by force, are not going to be poor. Stalin had a gold shitter.
Capitalism is like a bandwagon pulled by mighty horses. The rich being the horses that pulls the country forward. Because to get rich, they need a market that has money to buy their products. So they have to create jobs and develop the country if they want to get richer and increase their market.
Brain makes all the decisions. That doesn't mean it should starve out other body parts needing to keep the host alive and ability to function as a living organism.
What US has been doing is staving out the bottom to feed the top. How long do you think that will last?
Capitalism is like a bandwagon pulled by mighty horses. The rich being the horses that pulls the country forward. Because to get rich, they need a market that has money to buy their products. So they have to create jobs and develop the country if they want to get richer and increase their market.
Trickle down economics?
I don't think anyone seriously believes that anymore. You see, the problem in that is it assumes the market they have to interact with includes a significant portion of the population; but that is most often not the case anymore: look up the term "plutonomy".
Plutonomy on wikipedia:
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Plutonomy (from Greek πλοῦτος, ploutos, meaning "wealth", and νόμος, nomos, meaning "law", a portmanteau of "plutocracy" and "economy") is a term that analysts of Citigroup have used for economies “where economic growth is powered by and largely consumed by the wealthy few.” [1]
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In three reports for Citigroup clients published in 2005 and 2006 a team of Citigroup-analysts elaborated on their thesis that the share of the very rich in national income of plutonomies had become so large that what is going on in these economies and in their relation with other economies cannot be properly understood any more with reference to the average consumer: “The rich are so rich that their behavior – be it negative savings, or just very low consumption of oil as a % of their income – overwhelms that of the ‘average’ consumer.”
Capitalism is like a bandwagon pulled by mighty horses. The rich being the horses that pulls the country forward. Because to get rich, they need a market that has money to buy their products. So they have to create jobs and develop the country if they want to get richer and increase their market.
Can you explain about fifth action you have mentioned
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a radical cut in consumption of resources and production of waste--is necessary for the poor nations to survive. As Gandhi said, "Live simply, so others can simply live.
How will be this possible? 
The causes of poverty are manifold. War, disease, famine and unemployment being the big players. We can overcome this problem by doing following ideas:-
1. Employment generation
2. Drawing on various social institutions to fund poverty fighting programs e.g. charities, research institutions, U.N. , non-profit organizations, universities.
3. Transparency in government spending
4. Canceling impossible to repay world debts
5. Prioritizing programs that target fundamental human rights
6. Taxing the rich more and the poor less
7. Building self-sufficient economies
8. Education
9. Involvement of the media
10. Microfinancing
Ending poverty is a daunting challenge. Following is our call to action:1. Employment generation
2. Drawing on various social institutions to fund poverty fighting programs e.g. charities, research institutions, U.N. , non-profit organizations, universities.
3. Transparency in government spending
4. Canceling impossible to repay world debts
5. Prioritizing programs that target fundamental human rights
6. Taxing the rich more and the poor less
7. Building self-sufficient economies
8. Education
9. Involvement of the media
10. Microfinancing
First, forgive international debt unconditionally and stop other predatory tactics. End the use of economic power as a means by which the wealthy control the poor.
Second, change the tax system in every country of the world. If justice is to be done, most of the taxes should fall on property ownership and not on the wages of working people.
Third, the poor should demand land reform, restoring land (or its value) to the people who actually work on it, instead of a few landowners.
Fourth, end privatization of natural resources and share these in common. Land, air, water, and oil are the common inheritance of all of humanity, not the stockholders of companies that have managed to grab these resources.
Fifth, "degrowth" in the rich nations--a radical cut in consumption of resources and production of waste--is necessary for the poor nations to survive. As Gandhi said, "Live simply, so others can simply live."
The causes of poverty are manifold. War, disease, famine and unemployment being the big players. We can overcome this problem by doing following ideas:-
1. Employment generation
2. Drawing on various social institutions to fund poverty fighting programs e.g. charities, research institutions, U.N. , non-profit organizations, universities.
3. Transparency in government spending
4. Canceling impossible to repay world debts
5. Prioritizing programs that target fundamental human rights
6. Taxing the rich more and the poor less
7. Building self-sufficient economies
8. Education
9. Involvement of the media
10. Microfinancing
1. Employment generation
2. Drawing on various social institutions to fund poverty fighting programs e.g. charities, research institutions, U.N. , non-profit organizations, universities.
3. Transparency in government spending
4. Canceling impossible to repay world debts
5. Prioritizing programs that target fundamental human rights
6. Taxing the rich more and the poor less
7. Building self-sufficient economies
8. Education
9. Involvement of the media
10. Microfinancing
A socialist society eliminates the unjust relationship between labor and capital that gives rise to poverty. By taking away the capitalists’ right to exploit labor, the working class is free to decide how the fruits of our labor are used. Needless to say, under this system no one will go without the basic necessities of life.
You obviously haven't tasted on your own the benefits of a socialist society.
All that you claim it's happening only in theory , in real life it's 20 times worse than capitalism.
In all fairness, in the today's world; there is no country to follow a pure socialistic or capitalistic ideology. You can't expirience neither of them because they don't exist in their pure form anymore.
You have countries that resemble both socialism and capitalism.
A socialist society eliminates the unjust relationship between labor and capital that gives rise to poverty. By taking away the capitalists’ right to exploit labor, the working class is free to decide how the fruits of our labor are used. Needless to say, under this system no one will go without the basic necessities of life.
You obviously haven't tasted on your own the benefits of a socialist society.
All that you claim it's happening only in theory , in real life it's 20 times worse than capitalism.
In all fairness, in the today's world; there is no country to follow a pure socialistic or capitalistic ideology. You can't expirience neither of them because they don't exist in their pure form anymore.
has it ever existed in its pure form? i agree all countries are obviously a mixture at this moment in time.
Pretty much like ying and yang.
Light can not exists without darkness.
A socialist society eliminates the unjust relationship between labor and capital that gives rise to poverty. By taking away the capitalists’ right to exploit labor, the working class is free to decide how the fruits of our labor are used. Needless to say, under this system no one will go without the basic necessities of life.
You obviously haven't tasted on your own the benefits of a socialist society.
All that you claim it's happening only in theory , in real life it's 20 times worse than capitalism.
In all fairness, in the today's world; there is no country to follow a pure socialistic or capitalistic ideology. You can't expirience neither of them because they don't exist in their pure form anymore.
has it ever existed in its pure form? i agree all countries are obviously a mixture at this moment in time.
A socialist society eliminates the unjust relationship between labor and capital that gives rise to poverty. By taking away the capitalists’ right to exploit labor, the working class is free to decide how the fruits of our labor are used. Needless to say, under this system no one will go without the basic necessities of life.
You obviously haven't tasted on your own the benefits of a socialist society.
All that you claim it's happening only in theory , in real life it's 20 times worse than capitalism.
In all fairness, in the today's world; there is no country to follow a pure socialistic or capitalistic ideology. You can't expirience neither of them because they don't exist in their pure form anymore.
I believe it's socialism and to be more specific, communism.
ONLY, if it was applied in a proper way.
I can't find a solution for poverty in capitalism.
ONLY, if it was applied in a proper way.
I can't find a solution for poverty in capitalism.
Communism and socialism take away incentives to be creative and create more efficient ways of doing things.
Intensives are mainly around resource allocation for capitalism though. Humans want more than a bunch of material things and access to stuff other people cant afford.
That may be true, but when deciding if they wish to work or how hard they will word they will look at the financial rewards.
When you were "younger" before you had money and material concerns did financial rewards really motivate you 100% or even all that much ? I can remember is being motivated to achieve via people and environment almost entirely.
Did financial rewards as in money motivate me? no
Did rewards that were purchased by money motivate me? yes
So i dont know how you mean exactly, do you mean sorta like as a kid you saw some nice bike and thought to yourself, I'm really motivated to get a paper round so i can get a bike like that ?
A socialist society eliminates the unjust relationship between labor and capital that gives rise to poverty. By taking away the capitalists’ right to exploit labor, the working class is free to decide how the fruits of our labor are used. Needless to say, under this system no one will go without the basic necessities of life.
You obviously haven't tasted on your own the benefits of a socialist society.
All that you claim it's happening only in theory , in real life it's 20 times worse than capitalism.
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A socialist society eliminates the unjust relationship between labor and capital that gives rise to poverty. By taking away the capitalists’ right to exploit labor, the working class is free to decide how the fruits of our labor are used. Needless to say, under this system no one will go without the basic necessities of life.
Socialist societies are similar to a "utopia" they sound great on paper but in reality they cannot work and must have some small elite group of people having a vast amount of power
I believe it's socialism and to be more specific, communism.
ONLY, if it was applied in a proper way.
I can't find a solution for poverty in capitalism.
ONLY, if it was applied in a proper way.
I can't find a solution for poverty in capitalism.
Communism and socialism take away incentives to be creative and create more efficient ways of doing things.
Intensives are mainly around resource allocation for capitalism though. Humans want more than a bunch of material things and access to stuff other people cant afford.
That may be true, but when deciding if they wish to work or how hard they will word they will look at the financial rewards.
When you were "younger" before you had money and material concerns did financial rewards really motivate you 100% or even all that much ? I can remember is being motivated to achieve via people and environment almost entirely.
Did financial rewards as in money motivate me? no
Did rewards that were purchased by money motivate me? yes
A socialist society eliminates the unjust relationship between labor and capital that gives rise to poverty. By taking away the capitalists’ right to exploit labor, the working class is free to decide how the fruits of our labor are used. Needless to say, under this system no one will go without the basic necessities of life.
Except...in practice...they freeze, starve, die from lack of medicine, get rounded up into camps and killed.
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