Topic: Someone lowered my trust, I don't know why. What recourse? - page 4. (Read 6296 times)
-sighs- You are not stealing if you follow the rules. According to TF you broke the rules. So pay up or shut up.
There is some problem with the quotes which make the last post quite difficult to read.
Anyway, I will make a last answer (hopefully) here:
I do not use CoinChat, but it seems kinda obvious that if you are paid for chatting, and if you spammed there with a bot in order to get a few euros, it was abusive. Now, if you don't want to fix your mistake, fine. But stop crying here.
I already told, and I think that other people did:
No one will ever remove TF's rating until you pay back.
You'd better start a new nickname if you don't want to pay back what you stole.
Anyway, I will make a last answer (hopefully) here:
I do not use CoinChat, but it seems kinda obvious that if you are paid for chatting, and if you spammed there with a bot in order to get a few euros, it was abusive. Now, if you don't want to fix your mistake, fine. But stop crying here.
I already told, and I think that other people did:
No one will ever remove TF's rating until you pay back.
You'd better start a new nickname if you don't want to pay back what you stole.
Great, so using coinchat is stealing. And coinchat users are 'stealing' whatever amount tf accuses them of. I wonder why you seem to have such a vested interest in this?
Finally, decrying false allegations against myself is not 'crying'. If you are going to stay involved in this conversation, please stick to the established issue: tf invents an aribitrary amount and falsely accuses me of stealing from him. He engages in extortion against me for this amount on an unrelated site.
I just hope that tf doesnt get unhappy with you someday (assuming you are not actually him), you may not like it to be falsely accused and crucified without evidence.
There is some problem with the quotes which make the last post quite difficult to read.
Anyway, I will make a last answer (hopefully) here:
I do not use CoinChat, but it seems kinda obvious that if you are paid for chatting, and if you spammed there with a bot in order to get a few euros, it was abusive. Now, if you don't want to fix your mistake, fine. But stop crying here.
I already told, and I think that other people did:
No one will ever remove TF's rating until you pay back.
You'd better start a new nickname if you don't want to pay back what you stole.
Anyway, I will make a last answer (hopefully) here:
I do not use CoinChat, but it seems kinda obvious that if you are paid for chatting, and if you spammed there with a bot in order to get a few euros, it was abusive. Now, if you don't want to fix your mistake, fine. But stop crying here.
I already told, and I think that other people did:
No one will ever remove TF's rating until you pay back.
You'd better start a new nickname if you don't want to pay back what you stole.
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Risked BTC amount is money that the person could have stolen or did steal. For example, if you do a currency trade where the other person sends first, your feedback for them would have 0 risked BTC and their feedback for you would have risked BTC equal to the BTC value of the trade.
Second sentence is only an example. It does not mean that it has to be a currency trade, just an example...
If the facts are true, and it seems that you do not even deny them ; you actually did steal that amount of btc from TF.
Does not matter anyway: trust rating are not moderated.
Huh? I have no idea where that amount comes from. Tf started it at 1.5Btc and seemed to lower it to .5 arbitrarily. In any case, I certainly have not stolen anything. I sent messages to a site that gives btc for sending messages. How is that stealing? I hacked nothing, I enjoyed the site normally until I was banned.
Again, it's nice of you to chime in but you dont have your facts straight and you are missing the point.
The account he's talking about 'wikib0t' was created by me but I never used it beyond logging in and out a few times. If tf is being honest, he'll admit that.
2nd, as I've stated before (despite it's irrelevance), my use of a 'bot' has been entirely overstated. Admin on coinchat was helping me to make a script for answering questions from the wikipedia. I enjoyed chatting on coinchat quite often before I was banned and told to pay an arbitrary amount to be reinstated.
3rd, why are you so interested in the rules of coinchat? Are you a tf sockpuppet? I dont really get it.
4th, the main point, whatever gripes tradefortress (and bitcoininterest) have about my use of coinchat, it doesn't justify false accusations and extortion attempts for arbitrary amounts of money on another site under another name.
The account he's talking about 'wikib0t' was created by me but I never used it beyond logging in and out a few times. If tf is being honest, he'll admit that.
2nd, as I've stated before (despite it's irrelevance), my use of a 'bot' has been entirely overstated. Admin on coinchat was helping me to make a script for answering questions from the wikipedia. I enjoyed chatting on coinchat quite often before I was banned and told to pay an arbitrary amount to be reinstated.
3rd, why are you so interested in the rules of coinchat? Are you a tf sockpuppet? I dont really get it.
4th, the main point, whatever gripes tradefortress (and bitcoininterest) have about my use of coinchat, it doesn't justify false accusations and extortion attempts for arbitrary amounts of money on another site under another name.
You should calm down.
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Whatever you are arguying about the CoinChat problem, does not change anything.
If I understand correctly, you admitted that you used a bot, even if you were sometimes chatting normally.
Anyway, you will never get the trust rating removed before paying back TF what he wants (half of coin or something).
If I understand correctly, you admitted that you used a bot, even if you were sometimes chatting normally.
Anyway, you will never get the trust rating removed before paying back TF what he wants (half of coin or something).
Ok, so tf is licensed to extort any amount he chooses. I just accept that?
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From now on. You have 2 options:
1) paying back the coin, and not being marked as a scammer here.
2) refusing to pay back and being marked as a scammer.
If you don't pay back, regardless of you thinking it as unfair, you will be marked as a scammer.
And in my opinion, if you break the rules of a btc related website, you are not really trustworthy.
For you, it's not relevant that the rules were asked for repeatedly and weren't provided until after the ban? Hmmm.1) paying back the coin, and not being marked as a scammer here.
2) refusing to pay back and being marked as a scammer.
If you don't pay back, regardless of you thinking it as unfair, you will be marked as a scammer.
And in my opinion, if you break the rules of a btc related website, you are not really trustworthy.
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That said, you can keep crying here, but it won't change a damn thing.
You have 2 options (I said it earlier). Choose which one you want to take and move on.
Charming. You have 2 options (I said it earlier). Choose which one you want to take and move on.
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Risked BTC amount is money that the person could have stolen or did steal. For example, if you do a currency trade where the other person sends first, your feedback for them would have 0 risked BTC and their feedback for you would have risked BTC equal to the BTC value of the trade.
Second sentence is only an example. It does not mean that it has to be a currency trade, just an example...
If the facts are true, and it seems that you do not even deny them ; you actually did steal that amount of btc from TF.
Does not matter anyway: trust rating are not moderated.
Trust ratings are not limited to currency trades.
Risked btc in trust ratings is explicitly defined as follows.
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Risked BTC amount is money that the person could have stolen or did steal. For example, if you do a currency trade where the other person sends first, your feedback for them would have 0 risked BTC and their feedback for you would have risked BTC equal to the BTC value of the trade.
If you admit we did not engage in a currency trade then that is obviously tantamount to admitting that you are abusing the marketplace trust system because of an unrelated personal grudge. Tf, why don't you admit that it's time for you to make this right? Drop the false allegations against me and I will drop mine. I really don't think this is helping you or your reputation to keep holding out on charges that you have admitted are false.
Again, it's nice of you to chime in but you dont have your facts straight and you are missing the point.
The account he's talking about 'wikib0t' was created by me but I never used it beyond logging in and out a few times. If tf is being honest, he'll admit that.
2nd, as I've stated before (despite it's irrelevance), my use of a 'bot' has been entirely overstated. Admin on coinchat was helping me to make a script for answering questions from the wikipedia. I enjoyed chatting on coinchat quite often before I was banned and told to pay an arbitrary amount to be reinstated.
3rd, why are you so interested in the rules of coinchat? Are you a tf sockpuppet? I dont really get it.
4th, the main point, whatever gripes tradefortress (and bitcoininterest) have about my use of coinchat, it doesn't justify false accusations and extortion attempts for arbitrary amounts of money on another site under another name.
The account he's talking about 'wikib0t' was created by me but I never used it beyond logging in and out a few times. If tf is being honest, he'll admit that.
2nd, as I've stated before (despite it's irrelevance), my use of a 'bot' has been entirely overstated. Admin on coinchat was helping me to make a script for answering questions from the wikipedia. I enjoyed chatting on coinchat quite often before I was banned and told to pay an arbitrary amount to be reinstated.
3rd, why are you so interested in the rules of coinchat? Are you a tf sockpuppet? I dont really get it.
4th, the main point, whatever gripes tradefortress (and bitcoininterest) have about my use of coinchat, it doesn't justify false accusations and extortion attempts for arbitrary amounts of money on another site under another name.
You should calm down.
Whatever you are arguying about the CoinChat problem, does not change anything.
If I understand correctly, you admitted that you used a bot, even if you were sometimes chatting normally.
Anyway, you will never get the trust rating removed before paying back TF what he wants (half of coin or something).
From now on. You have 2 options:
1) paying back the coin, and not being marked as a scammer here.
2) refusing to pay back and being marked as a scammer.
If you don't pay back, regardless of you thinking it as unfair, you will be marked as a scammer.
And in my opinion, if you break the rules of a btc related website, you are not really trustworthy.
That said, you can keep crying here, but it won't change a damn thing.
You have 2 options (I said it earlier). Choose which one you want to take and move on.
Well. I am going to stick with TF on this one. He abused the system and broke the rules. Why should anyone trust him if he cannot even follow simple rules? I think its good that TF tells people about it.
Well of course you're welcome to your opinion but I repeat that:
0) I never saw the rules of coinchat until after I was banned (despite explicitly asking for them several times)
1) TF and I never entered into any currency trade agreement
2) TF is falsely accusing me of having enterered into an agreement with him
For me, it's important make sure that people know and agree to the rules if you want to be relevant. Also, I just can't see how coinchatting too often or too much such that I was banned by the admin equates to I owe admin whatever arbitrary amount he says I owe him and that if I don't comply I'm a spammer.
0) Your bad. Mods have better things to do then constantly repeating the rules.
1+2) As soon as you use the site, you make an agreement with the site owner (TF in this case). So you have agreed to follow the rules.
You used a bot, which is only allowed if it has "bot" in his name. So "b0t" isn't allowed. You were abusing the system and that is illegal, no matter what. So stop whining, be a man and give the BTC back which you earned by breaking the rules.
Again, it's nice of you to chime in but you dont have your facts straight and you are missing the point.
The account he's talking about 'wikib0t' was created by me but I never used it beyond logging in and out a few times. If tf is being honest, he'll admit that.
2nd, as I've stated before (despite it's irrelevance), my use of a 'bot' has been entirely overstated. Admin on coinchat was helping me to make a script for answering questions from the wikipedia. I enjoyed chatting on coinchat quite often before I was banned and told to pay an arbitrary amount to be reinstated.
3rd, why are you so interested in the rules of coinchat? Are you a tf sockpuppet? I dont really get it.
4th, the main point, whatever gripes tradefortress (and bitcoininterest) have about my use of coinchat, it doesn't justify false accusations and extortion attempts for arbitrary amounts of money on another site under another name.
Trust ratings are not limited to currency trades.
Well. I am going to stick with TF on this one. He abused the system and broke the rules. Why should anyone trust him if he cannot even follow simple rules? I think its good that TF tells people about it.
Well of course you're welcome to your opinion but I repeat that:
0) I never saw the rules of coinchat until after I was banned (despite explicitly asking for them several times)
1) TF and I never entered into any currency trade agreement
2) TF is falsely accusing me of having enterered into an agreement with him
For me, it's important make sure that people know and agree to the rules if you want to be relevant. Also, I just can't see how coinchatting too often or too much such that I was banned by the admin equates to I owe admin whatever arbitrary amount he says I owe him and that if I don't comply I'm a spammer.
0) Your bad. Mods have better things to do then constantly repeating the rules.
1+2) As soon as you use the site, you make an agreement with the site owner (TF in this case). So you have agreed to follow the rules.
You used a bot, which is only allowed if it has "bot" in his name. So "b0t" isn't allowed. You were abusing the system and that is illegal, no matter what. So stop whining, be a man and give the BTC back which you earned by breaking the rules.
Here's the relevant question. Obviously TF and I entered into no such currency trade agreement so it will be impossible for him to provide any genuine evidence that we have. I'm just trying to leave this at the bottom of the thread because it's important to me for people to see that despite my feedback saying that TF 'risked .5BTC' (or whatever it currently says) in fact he and I have no such agreement and this accusation is false.
Thanks for the input, everyone.
I just want to reiterate this request so that everyone can see that we're waiting for a reply on this one:
@tradefortress:
If you assert that we entered into such an agreement please provide documentation. If you do not assert that we entered into such an agreement please remove your trust feedback against me and I will remove mine against you (which I admit was purely placed there for parity against your false accusation).
I just want to reiterate this request so that everyone can see that we're waiting for a reply on this one:
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Risked BTC amount is money that the person could have stolen or did steal. For example, if you do a currency trade where the other person sends first, your feedback for them would have 0 risked BTC and their feedback for you would have risked BTC equal to the BTC value of the trade.
@tradefortress:
If you assert that we entered into such an agreement please provide documentation. If you do not assert that we entered into such an agreement please remove your trust feedback against me and I will remove mine against you (which I admit was purely placed there for parity against your false accusation).
Well. I am going to stick with TF on this one. He abused the system and broke the rules. Why should anyone trust him if he cannot even follow simple rules? I think its good that TF tells people about it.
Well of course you're welcome to your opinion but I repeat that:
0) I never saw the rules of coinchat until after I was banned (despite explicitly asking for them several times)
1) TF and I never entered into any currency trade agreement
2) TF is falsely accusing me of having enterered into an agreement with him
For me, it's important make sure that people know and agree to the rules if you want to be relevant. Also, I just can't see how coinchatting too often or too much such that I was banned by the admin equates to I owe admin whatever arbitrary amount he says I owe him and that if I don't comply I'm a spammer.
If Tspacepilot cares more about his trust rating here than his ego I'll bet if he admits prior guilt and apologizes to TradeFortress he might see his trust rating restored. I think TradeFortress did the right thing initially warning the forum with limited information.
Many of us on the forum have been scammed by new members.
Many of us on the forum have been scammed by new members.
Ok, but it's really not about trust it's about false accusations. By saying that 'risked' BTC on me he is suggesting that he and I entered into some agreement and that he sent me that amount of BTC and that I never followed through. In fact, no such chain of events occurred and it wasn't until I said "what the hell?" that I even found out that TF is the sore admin from coinchat who seems to want to undo the past.
I don't get it, you make a site that gives out bitcoins for chatting then get mad when someone gets bitcoins for chatting then go and suggest that person stole from you on an unrelated site under a different name?
Again, it's not about ego, I've said "I'm sorry" to "admin" of coinchat via e-mail when he banned me. He finally sent a link to the rules and I reviewed them and said I was sorry for breaking them. He told me at that time that he wanted me to pay back such and such an amount (without any discussion as to where he chose this amount from and why) if I wanted to rejoin coinchat. For me that was too onerous a burden so we parted ways (until very recently when he launched his attack on my trust rating here).
If Tspacepilot cares more about his trust rating here than his ego I'll bet if he admits prior guilt and apologizes to TradeFortress he might see his trust rating restored. I think TradeFortress did the right thing initially warning the forum with limited information.
Many of us on the forum have been scammed by new members.
Many of us on the forum have been scammed by new members.
Well. I am going to stick with TF on this one. He abused the system and broke the rules. Why should anyone trust him if he cannot even follow simple rules? I think its good that TF tells people about it.
Thanks for the input, everyone.
I just want to reiterate this request so that everyone can see that we're waiting for a reply on this one:
@tradefortress:
If you assert that we entered into such an agreement please provide documentation. If you do not assert that we entered into such an agreement please remove your trust feedback against me and I will remove mine against you (which I admit was purely placed there for parity against your false accusation).
I just want to reiterate this request so that everyone can see that we're waiting for a reply on this one:
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Risked BTC amount is money that the person could have stolen or did steal. For example, if you do a currency trade where the other person sends first, your feedback for them would have 0 risked BTC and their feedback for you would have risked BTC equal to the BTC value of the trade.
@tradefortress:
If you assert that we entered into such an agreement please provide documentation. If you do not assert that we entered into such an agreement please remove your trust feedback against me and I will remove mine against you (which I admit was purely placed there for parity against your false accusation).
Welcome to the story of whiskers75. We share the same story (well kinda, I didn't spam, just ban evaded)
Note that TF has a thing for ban evading - he REALLY REALLY HATES IT.
I hope you settle in at whiskchat.com better than you did coinchat. :S
Note that TF has a thing for ban evading - he REALLY REALLY HATES IT.
I hope you settle in at whiskchat.com better than you did coinchat. :S
hey man, am i invited to??
Yes anyone can leave a feedback. But those on the default trust clearly has the advantage. 
its all fun and games til you bring facts and logic into the equation.
Yes anyone can leave a feedback. But those on the default trust clearly has the advantage.
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