Topic: Someone lowered my trust, I don't know why. What recourse? - page 6. (Read 6289 times)

Ok?
I was using a script (that you helped me make) which was experimenting with reading wikipedia articles, I was trying to turn this into a question answering machine.
Actually, I didn't get to review the rules until after you banned me.  I asked for them several times before that though.


It might help for you to review the wikipedia article on spam [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spam_(electronic) ].  The accepted definition seems to revolve around sending unsolicited bulk messages.  I don't know why you think that my script to answer wikipedia questions qualifies as spam.  Also, thanks for your interest measurement, I'd say that I have zero interest in being falsely attacked by a bitcoin mogul who has demonstrated a surprising amount of interest in going after a little guy on a bitcoin discussion forum.


So, your coinchat site is an ATM?  And your use of the adverb "legally" suggests that you believe there's some relevant law here?   I'm sorry to say, man, I didn't sign any TOS when I joined coinchat.  I had a good time chatting and making friends until you kicked me off.  Ask around on your own site, tspacepilot was helpful and fun.  And I was having a pleasant time here too until you started putting fire up my ass.  If you have something better to do, then why not go on and do it?

this point has been brought up before. he can't control his emotions and it has cost him his default trust. lots of people claim he is a scammer... i think he just can't afford to run coinchat tbh and would rather ban people here and there to get by.

I'm glad that tradefortress has at least piped up to defend his outlandish actions.

I appreciate that others are also speaking up, it makes me feel like there's at least some sort moderation/arbitration going on here.  It seems, however, that this thread has gotten a little off topic.  I don't see why the odds of 'tspacepilot' as a user name come to bear on these facts:

1) tradefortress runs a site that gives out bitcoins for chatting
2) he's upset that tspacepilot didn't chat according to his "rules"

  (aside: i'd go into the fact that i wasn't producing spam, i was chatting legitmately (according to how I understood the system at the time) but I think it would be yet another distraction.  are the actions of chatters on a third party site really relevant to marketplace trust on bitcointalk.org)

3) he's decided that banning me from his coinchat isn't enough.  he wants to attack me on bitcointalk by asserting that he had "risked" 1.5 btc on me.
4) he's now admitted that he hasn't "risked" anything on me, that in fact he simply believes me to be a former user of his chat site with whom he is unhappy.
5) he's now changed his "risked" amount to be something closer to what he believes I cashed from his site (again, I might dispute this number but I think it's not actually relevant).

Isn't it obvious that any former usage of coinchat.org is in no way relevant to marketplace trust on bitcointalk.org?  Like I said, I haven't bought or sold any bitcoins in my life, but should I decide to do so, I don't believe it's fair to be penalized in this community because admin/tradefortress is upset about the results of his own site.

Please, community members, let me know what's relevant here?  As far as I can see, this is an angry bitcoin mogul who's feeling vindictive because I cashed out more than he wanted from his site which gives out free bitcoins for chatting.   Now he's going to do his best to smear me on the internet anywhere he sees me, no matter the relevance.

like i said you have apoint, but lets give the guy a chance to prove it. maybe disclose ips and compare. if he can offer know no real evidence, then we can conclude he is in fact a liar. fair enough?

eh on second thought,  i don't even care. you handle your affairs however you see fit. none of my business.

Yeah, that does happen, however in that case there was a mistake which would be corrected as soon as it was explained. But nimda (reverse of admin) isn't as uncommon as tspacepilot.

quoting for posterity. remember how i signedup with "Nimda" at coinchat and you thought there was relation to "nimda" here? just because the odds are low doesn't eliminate the doubt. the user kosmo kramer here? i know a guy on a local sports message board that goes by the same name. my point is people see cool usernames and copy them other places. it happens.

I think it's entirely reasonable that someone using the same uncommon username on two services can be assumed as the same user, especially given this:

yes he know he said that but how did you know to give him negative feedback when he hadn't said that when you gave it to him  ?

until he posted this thread you had no way of knowing it was the same person

Here you go.

@tspacepilot: I've updated my feedback to 0.503 BTC risked which is the amount you've withdrew from coinchat. I'm happy to remove my trust rating once you repay the coins you fraudulently withdrew.

altcointalk has been as good as dead since it was scrambled last time

looks like more and more people are seeing through the charade.

zack....watch yourself. i'd hate to see altcointalk suddenly vanish again... not a threat. don't get me wrong tradefortress has clearly tipped his hand once again, but it is foolish to involve yourself in his affairs unless you have something present on himl.

Looks like you don't like tradefortreses very much

looks like you have tradefortreses back

What do you know, my speculation was right!

He didn't link those names to any bitcointalk account names. Quit jumping to conclusions.

Red herring  

what I would like to know is how you linked those account names on coinchat  to this username on bitcointalk  

was it with his ip address ?

I know you have used an exploit in the past to access the forum admin panel ....

Hi tspacepilot aka wikib0t aka testycat aka newman aka manny on Coinchat,


Excuse the language but bullshit. You were using a bot to send automated messages on coinchat and reaping the rewards fraudulently. You know that is against the rules. Nobody with any intelligence will think it is OK to run a bot to spam coinchat and get rewards. Bots are not allowed to earn rewards, bot accounts must have the name b0t in them and you've tried wikib0t. You've also said you "reviewed the rules" through email on Aug 30 and then tried wikib0t.

I have zero interest in wasting time with spammers who try to lawyer their way out.

If an ATM gives you money you shouldn't have got, legally you're in the wrong.

Tradefortress is probably mad because you made a bot that was spamming to get rewards. I believe there was a reward program based on how many lines you typed. This is speculation of course. If you can disclose the emails from Tradefortress (publicly or privately), I can get a better picture.

I used it a few months ago.  I didn't realize until now that 'tradefortress' is 'admin' from coinchat.  So at least this explains part of the puzzle.

I *did* use coinchat a few months ago and I was banned by "admin".  We exchanged some emails in which I asked him what I had done to be banned and I didn't ever get a detailed response.  He said I owed him 0.2BTC if I wanted to be reinstated on coinchat.  I asked him several times where he came up with that number and what I had done wrong.  Each time, however, he just replied tersely about some sort of fraud and paying him back.

The best guess I have at what he was angry about is that I was experimenting with robots on his site using the api the he published (and I as I understood it) he encouraged us to use.  I enjoyed coinchat and I learned a lot about node.js while I was experimenting there.  I was sad to get kicked off because I had a lot of fun chatting there and gambling on the various robots.   What I can't understand is how a site that gives money for chatting is going to cry 'fraud'  when I took money for chatting.  I mean, the site gave me money and I cashed it out using the site's system.  How on earth is that fraudulent?  Another thing I can't understand is how the 0.2 he asked me for (and I'm still not sure where he got that number) has now inflated to 1.5BTC.


see:

So, according to this, I still can't see how tradefortress has 'risked' a single btcent on me.  We've had no exchanges on this forum.  We've entered into no currency trade agreement.  This seems like a blatant abuse of a little guy by some angry, poweful bitcoin mogul.  I really feel like I'm getting pushed around by this guy and I wish there was something I could do about it other than try to change my username.

Sure I guess that's true.   However, I'd really like for tradefortress to show *me* the addresses that he ostensibly sent 1.5 BTC to.  That's real missing piece here.  A guy shows up and says he "risked 1.5BTC" on me but isn't around to reply to questions like "huh?"  "what?"  "when?"  "where?".