Topic: Someone lowered my trust, I don't know why. What recourse? - page 5. (Read 6296 times)
Anyone can leave feedback for everyone on the trust system... that's my understand of the rules for it.
Ok, thanks for the feedback r3wt. I don't know if you're a moderator here. But now I understand that tradefortress and powerful people on this site can use the marketplace trust system to abuse people who they hold a grudge against for actions unrelated to bitcointalk.
welcome to the internet 
Welcome to the story of whiskers75. We share the same story (well kinda, I didn't spam, just ban evaded)
Note that TF has a thing for ban evading - he REALLY REALLY HATES IT.
I hope you settle in at whiskchat.com better than you did coinchat. :S
Note that TF has a thing for ban evading - he REALLY REALLY HATES IT.
I hope you settle in at whiskchat.com better than you did coinchat. :S
hey man, am i invited to??
So do you dispute my allegations or not? We need to settle that before continuing onto the trust rating.
Tradefortress: it is you who are attempting to switch the topic. Do you allege that I entered into a currency trade agreement with you as in below:
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Risked BTC amount is money that the person could have stolen or did steal. For example, if you do a currency trade where the other person sends first, your feedback for them would have 0 risked BTC and their feedback for you would have risked BTC equal to the BTC value of the trade.
If you assert that we entered into such an agreement please provide documentation. If you do not assert that we entered into such an agreement please remove your trust feedback against me and I will remove mine against you (which I admit was purely placed there for parity against your false accusation).
Welcome to the story of whiskers75. We share the same story (well kinda, I didn't spam, just ban evaded)
Note that TF has a thing for ban evading - he REALLY REALLY HATES IT.
I hope you settle in at whiskchat.com better than you did coinchat. :S
Note that TF has a thing for ban evading - he REALLY REALLY HATES IT.
I hope you settle in at whiskchat.com better than you did coinchat. :S
So do you dispute my allegations or not? We need to settle that before continuing onto the trust rating.
You don't have to sign a ToS for it to be active. Using the service means that you agree with the ToS. Damn, how can someone be so ignorant as you?
You spammed with a bot to get BTC and now TF wants it back. Sounds legit and logical to me.
My 2 cents.
You spammed with a bot to get BTC and now TF wants it back. Sounds legit and logical to me.
My 2 cents.
So your world works like this: a faucet gives you money for watching an ad. You take the money. A few months later the faucet owner finds you on bitcointalk and says: "hey I just found out that you weren't even watching the ad, you were making sandwhiches in the kitchen when the ad was playing. This is fraud and you owe me three times the amount of money that you got from my faucet." The faucet owner lowers your bitcointalk trust and calls you a spammer. This is fair and right?
A better example would be using a python script to watch the ad 10000 times with a proxy list.
You owe me half a Bitcoin, 1.5 BTC was an estimated amount (which is not that far off when looking at how much the average user owns). I have updated the risked amount to the correct sum.
This is unhelpful and outlandish. Provide some evidence as to where you get these numbers and how they are in any way relevant to a currency trade on bitcointalk. If you assert that you 'risked .5 btc on me', what were you expecting in return? Where did I agree to this?
For pairity, Ill go ahead and arbitrarily assert that I risked 1.5 btc on you when I joined bitcointalk. If you complain, I'll lower it to the 'correct sum' of .5btc.
give it up. you botted his site, got caught and now you're mad he found you.
Ok, thanks for the feedback r3wt. I don't know if you're a moderator here. But now I understand that tradefortress and powerful people on this site can use the marketplace trust system to abuse people who they hold a grudge against for actions unrelated to bitcointalk. That is, marketplace trust and 'risked' BTC don't actually have to relate to any trade agreement on this marketplace. In fact, if what Tradefortress is doing to me is acceptable then it's clear that 'risked' BTC doesn't actually have to mean that you sent anyone that amount of BTC, just that you feel it's an amount you are owed according to reasons which you only have to justify to yourself.
According to this logic, I have now registered feedback against tradefortress that I 'risked' 0.5BTC on him. I feel justified in doing this because if I were ever to wish to trade on this site, surely my potential profits could have reached 0.5BTC were it not for the "illegal" slander which tradefortress has dragged my name into. I justify this according to my own rationale, not that I actually sent him that money or had an agreement with him for services for that money. Guess fair is fair, even if it hurts everyone in this case.
You don't have to sign a ToS for it to be active. Using the service means that you agree with the ToS. Damn, how can someone be so ignorant as you?
You spammed with a bot to get BTC and now TF wants it back. Sounds legit and logical to me.
My 2 cents.
You spammed with a bot to get BTC and now TF wants it back. Sounds legit and logical to me.
My 2 cents.
So your world works like this: a faucet gives you money for watching an ad. You take the money. A few months later the faucet owner finds you on bitcointalk and says: "hey I just found out that you weren't even watching the ad, you were making sandwhiches in the kitchen when the ad was playing. This is fraud and you owe me three times the amount of money that you got from my faucet." The faucet owner lowers your bitcointalk trust and calls you a spammer. This is fair and right?
A better example would be using a python script to watch the ad 10000 times with a proxy list.
You owe me half a Bitcoin, 1.5 BTC was an estimated amount (which is not that far off when looking at how much the average user owns). I have updated the risked amount to the correct sum.
This is unhelpful and outlandish. Provide some evidence as to where you get these numbers and how they are in any way relevant to a currency trade on bitcointalk. If you assert that you 'risked .5 btc on me', what were you expecting in return? Where did I agree to this?
For pairity, Ill go ahead and arbitrarily assert that I risked 1.5 btc on you when I joined bitcointalk. If you complain, I'll lower it to the 'correct sum' of .5btc.
give it up. you botted his site, got caught and now you're mad he found you.
Please respond to my previous post first. Do you dispute my allegation you have botted? In addition, do you dispute that it was made clear to you in writing (email) that (I) you were banned from coinchat and (ii) bot activity must be done under an account with the substring bot?
We must proceed this way if you are interested in lawyering your way around instead of having a normal discussion. A common trick used is to switch the topic to something that would invoke responses from the other party once the subject matter on hand is uncomfortable to you. Unfortunately, I am not falling for it.
We must proceed this way if you are interested in lawyering your way around instead of having a normal discussion. A common trick used is to switch the topic to something that would invoke responses from the other party once the subject matter on hand is uncomfortable to you. Unfortunately, I am not falling for it.
You don't have to sign a ToS for it to be active. Using the service means that you agree with the ToS. Damn, how can someone be so ignorant as you?
You spammed with a bot to get BTC and now TF wants it back. Sounds legit and logical to me.
My 2 cents.
You spammed with a bot to get BTC and now TF wants it back. Sounds legit and logical to me.
My 2 cents.
So your world works like this: a faucet gives you money for watching an ad. You take the money. A few months later the faucet owner finds you on bitcointalk and says: "hey I just found out that you weren't even watching the ad, you were making sandwhiches in the kitchen when the ad was playing. This is fraud and you owe me three times the amount of money that you got from my faucet." The faucet owner lowers your bitcointalk trust and calls you a spammer. This is fair and right?
A better example would be using a python script to watch the ad 10000 times with a proxy list.
You owe me half a Bitcoin, 1.5 BTC was an estimated amount (which is not that far off when looking at how much the average user owns). I have updated the risked amount to the correct sum.
This is unhelpful and outlandish. Provide some evidence as to where you get these numbers and how they are in any way relevant to a currency trade on bitcointalk. If you assert that you 'risked .5 btc on me', what were you expecting in return? Where did I agree to this?
For pairity, Ill go ahead and arbitrarily assert that I risked 1.5 btc on you when I joined bitcointalk. If you complain, I'll lower it to the 'correct sum' of .5btc.
1) tradefortress gives out coins for chatting on his site
2) he thinks i didnt follow rules there
3) he says, 'hay, i wish i hadnt given you so much btc for chatting on my site'
4) he invents an amount and accuses me of taking it from him on the bitcointalk marketplace where i have never traded
This is fair?
1) A bot emitting messages to itself is not chatting.2) he thinks i didnt follow rules there
3) he says, 'hay, i wish i hadnt given you so much btc for chatting on my site'
4) he invents an amount and accuses me of taking it from him on the bitcointalk marketplace where i have never traded
This is fair?
2) The rules required bots to have the substring bot in it. This prevents it from getting rewards. Not knowing the rules is not an excuse. Keep in mind this forum has no defined rules.
3) Correct, as you have abused the service and defrauded coinchat.
4) From my read over the marketplace trust topic, it was named marketplace trust because it is visible in marketplace sections only, not that it was exclusively for deals conducted in the marketplace. If this is incorrect, some moderators have already violated the policy by leaving negative trust for activities not carried out in the marketplace. There's also quite a few trust ratings left for IRC / OTC trades.
Regardless, you have defrauded coinchat 0.5 or so BTC which was the amount you withdrew.
1) I am a human, not a bot.
2) Again, I am a human, not a bot.
3) 'fraud' entails some relevant law (please cite one)
4) mods please weigh in on whether actions on coinchat have bearing on bitcointalk marketplace trust. Tf, please provide evidence that i entered into some currency trade agreement with you anywhere.
We are not talking in the namespace of law. Pick up a dictionary and read up the definition of fraud. If you would like me to cite a relevant law, the CFAA forbids unauthorized access to protected interstate communications computers. Your first ban was an indication that you were no longer authorized to use the services provided by coinchat, however I am not interested in talking about legal matters or the CFAA.
You don't have to sign a ToS for it to be active. Using the service means that you agree with the ToS. Damn, how can someone be so ignorant as you?
You spammed with a bot to get BTC and now TF wants it back. Sounds legit and logical to me.
My 2 cents.
You spammed with a bot to get BTC and now TF wants it back. Sounds legit and logical to me.
My 2 cents.
So your world works like this: a faucet gives you money for watching an ad. You take the money. A few months later the faucet owner finds you on bitcointalk and says: "hey I just found out that you weren't even watching the ad, you were making sandwhiches in the kitchen when the ad was playing. This is fraud and you owe me three times the amount of money that you got from my faucet." The faucet owner lowers your bitcointalk trust and calls you a spammer. This is fair and right?
A better example would be using a python script to watch the ad 10000 times with a proxy list. You get banned, the owner emails and explains to you that you cannot use a not, and you do it again.
You owe me half a Bitcoin, 1.5 BTC was an estimated amount (which is not that far off when looking at how much the average user owns). I have updated the risked amount to the correct sum.
1) tradefortress gives out coins for chatting on his site
2) he thinks i didnt follow rules there
3) he says, 'hay, i wish i hadnt given you so much btc for chatting on my site'
4) he invents an amount and accuses me of taking it from him on the bitcointalk marketplace where i have never traded
This is fair?
1) A bot emitting messages to itself is not chatting.2) he thinks i didnt follow rules there
3) he says, 'hay, i wish i hadnt given you so much btc for chatting on my site'
4) he invents an amount and accuses me of taking it from him on the bitcointalk marketplace where i have never traded
This is fair?
2) The rules required bots to have the substring bot in it. This prevents it from getting rewards. Not knowing the rules is not an excuse. Keep in mind this forum has no defined rules.
3) Correct, as you have abused the service and defrauded coinchat.
4) From my read over the marketplace trust topic, it was named marketplace trust because it is visible in marketplace sections only, not that it was exclusively for deals conducted in the marketplace. If this is incorrect, some moderators have already violated the policy by leaving negative trust for activities not carried out in the marketplace. There's also quite a few trust ratings left for IRC / OTC trades.
Regardless, you have defrauded coinchat 0.5 or so BTC which was the amount you withdrew.
1) I am a human, not a bot.
2) Again, I am a human, not a bot.
3) 'fraud' entails some relevant law (please cite one)
4) mods please weigh in on whether actions on coinchat have bearing on bitcointalk marketplace trust. Tf, please provide evidence that i entered into some currency trade agreement with you anywhere.
You don't have to sign a ToS for it to be active. Using the service means that you agree with the ToS. Damn, how can someone be so ignorant as you?
You spammed with a bot to get BTC and now TF wants it back. Sounds legit and logical to me.
My 2 cents.
You spammed with a bot to get BTC and now TF wants it back. Sounds legit and logical to me.
My 2 cents.
So your world works like this: a faucet gives you money for watching an ad. You take the money. A few months later the faucet owner finds you on bitcointalk and says: "hey I just found out that you weren't even watching the ad, you were making sandwhiches in the kitchen when the ad was playing. This is fraud and you owe me three times the amount of money that you got from my faucet." The faucet owner lowers your bitcointalk trust and calls you a spammer. This is fair and right?
1) tradefortress gives out coins for chatting on his site
2) he thinks i didnt follow rules there
3) he says, 'hay, i wish i hadnt given you so much btc for chatting on my site'
4) he invents an amount and accuses me of taking it from him on the bitcointalk marketplace where i have never traded
This is fair?
1) A bot emitting messages to itself is not chatting.2) he thinks i didnt follow rules there
3) he says, 'hay, i wish i hadnt given you so much btc for chatting on my site'
4) he invents an amount and accuses me of taking it from him on the bitcointalk marketplace where i have never traded
This is fair?
2) The rules required bots to have the substring bot in it. This prevents it from getting rewards. Not knowing the rules is not an excuse. Keep in mind this forum has no defined rules.
3) Correct, as you have abused the service and defrauded coinchat.
4) From my read over the marketplace trust topic, it was named marketplace trust because it is visible in marketplace sections only, not that it was exclusively for deals conducted in the marketplace. If this is incorrect, some moderators have already violated the policy by leaving negative trust for activities not carried out in the marketplace. There's also quite a few trust ratings left for IRC / OTC trades.
Regardless, you have defrauded coinchat 0.5 or so BTC which was the amount you withdrew.
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wait a damn minute s o youwere using a bought to make btc chatting and don't understand why you were banned?
maybe because thats completely uneffin fair. 
Actaully that's not my complaint at all. I figure whoever runs coinchat has the right to run it as they see fit.
My complaint is that a guy who gave out btc for chatting on his site now accuses me of stealing from him on a market I've never even used.
1) tradefortress gives out coins for chatting on his site
2) he thinks i didnt follow rules there
3) he says, 'hay, i wish i hadnt given you so much btc for chatting on my site'
4) he invents an amount and accuses me of taking it from him on the bitcointalk marketplace where i have never traded
This is fair?
2) he thinks i didnt follow rules there
3) he says, 'hay, i wish i hadnt given you so much btc for chatting on my site'
4) he invents an amount and accuses me of taking it from him on the bitcointalk marketplace where i have never traded
This is fair?
You were using a bot to send automated messages on coinchat and reaping the rewards fraudulently.
I was using a script (that you helped me make) which was experimenting with reading wikipedia articles, I was trying to turn this into a question answering machine.
No you weren't, you were spamming irrelevant things in your own private room. Your excuse doesn't cut it.I was using a script (that you helped me make) which was experimenting with reading wikipedia articles, I was trying to turn this into a question answering machine.
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wait a damn minute s o youwere using a bought to make btc chatting and don't understand why you were banned? Cry maybe because thats completely uneffin fair. Roll Eyes
lol
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1) tradefortress runs a site that gives out bitcoins for chatting
2) he's upset that tspacepilot didn't chat according to his "rules"
2) he's upset that tspacepilot didn't chat according to his "rules"
I do give out free Bitcoins for chatting. A bot talking to itself is not chatting. You're not allowed to run bots unless your account has the substring bot in it - and before you get smartass-y, "bot" not "b0t".
You don't have to sign a ToS for it to be active. Using the service means that you agree with the ToS. Damn, how can someone be so ignorant as you?
You spammed with a bot to get BTC and now TF wants it back. Sounds legit and logical to me.
My 2 cents.
You spammed with a bot to get BTC and now TF wants it back. Sounds legit and logical to me.
My 2 cents.
Hi tspacepilot aka wikib0t aka testycat aka newman aka manny on Coinchat,
Excuse the language but bullshit.
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The best guess I have at what he was angry about is that I was experimenting with robots on his site using the api the he published (and I as I understood it) he encouraged us to use. I enjoyed coinchat and I learned a lot about node.js while I was experimenting there. I was sad to get kicked off because I had a lot of fun chatting there and gambling on the various robots. What I can't understand is how a site that gives money for chatting is going to cry 'fraud' when I took money for chatting. I mean, the site gave me money and I cashed it out using the site's system. How on earth is that fraudulent? Another thing I can't understand is how the 0.2 he asked me for (and I'm still not sure where he got that number) has now inflated to 1.5BTC.
Excuse the language but bullshit.
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You were using a bot to send automated messages on coinchat and reaping the rewards fraudulently.
I was using a script (that you helped me make) which was experimenting with reading wikipedia articles, I was trying to turn this into a question answering machine.Quote
You know that is against the rules. Nobody with any intelligence will think it is OK to run a bot to spam coinchat and get rewards. Bots are not allowed to earn rewards, bot accounts must have the name b0t in them and you've tried wikib0t. You've also said you "reviewed the rules" through email on Aug 30 and then tried wikib0t.
Actually, I didn't get to review the rules until after you banned me. I asked for them several times before that though.Quote
I have zero interest in wasting time with spammers who try to lawyer their way out.
It might help for you to review the wikipedia article on spam [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spam_(electronic) ]. The accepted definition seems to revolve around sending unsolicited bulk messages. I don't know why you think that my script to answer wikipedia questions qualifies as spam. Also, thanks for your interest measurement, I'd say that I have zero interest in being falsely attacked by a bitcoin mogul who has demonstrated a surprising amount of interest in going after a little guy on a bitcoin discussion forum.
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If an ATM gives you money you shouldn't have got, legally you're in the wrong.
So, your coinchat site is an ATM? And your use of the adverb "legally" suggests that you believe there's some relevant law here? I'm sorry to say, man, I didn't sign any TOS when I joined coinchat. I had a good time chatting and making friends until you kicked me off. Ask around on your own site, tspacepilot was helpful and fun. And I was having a pleasant time here too until you started putting fire up my ass. If you have something better to do, then why not go on and do it?
wait a damn minute s o youwere using a bought to make btc chatting and don't understand why you were banned?
maybe because thats completely uneffin fair. Jump to: